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Does being southeast asian (chinese, vietnamese, korean, etc) considered being a minority?
it better be..
it better be..
Nope, sorry.
(Actually, asians are minorities. But that doesn't mean much, since "under represented minorities" are what actullay matter).
What exactly are the "under represented minority's"?
Hispanics, African Americans? etc??
Wow buddy are you being a tad bit rxxxxx there bud? Lol kiddin funny though ahahahaha.I swear i'm a minority, i have a slight tan, doesnt that count!
Does being southeast asian (chinese, vietnamese, korean, etc) considered being a minority?
it better be..
i think thats totally unfair
and i bet the person who made this restriction is non-asian
Being treated like everybody else is unfair? How do you figure that?
Not to start anything here, be it is infact unfair especially because asian americans are NOT treated like everyone else. This is slightly off topic but it's still relevant (admissions to college):
"A 2005 study by Princeton sociologists Thomas J. Espenshade and Chang Y. Chung compared the effects of affirmative action on racial and special groups at three highly selective private research universities. The data from the study represent admissions disadvantage and advantage in terms of SAT points (on the old 1600-point scale):
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_the_United_States
- Blacks: +230
- Hispanics: +185
- Asians: 50
- Recruited athletes: +200
- Legacies (children of alumni): +160 "
Report from the whole study can be found at http://opr.princeton.edu/faculty/tje/espenshadessqptii.pdf
Does being southeast asian (chinese, vietnamese, korean, etc) considered being a minority?
it better be..
Wow buddy are you being a tad bit rxxxxx there bud? Lol kiddin funny though ahahahaha.
No. You, despite being a minority (collectively, around 7% of US population) are not considered one. In my opinion, this ought to aggravate Asians everywhere in the US education system. Minority designation in the US only applies to specific minorities; primarily two who each outnumber them by double.
Despite all the difficulties of excelling in (what is often) a foreign education system, Asians have indeed done just that. Hence around 1/3 of all dental or medical students are Asian; the average household income for Asian households is nearly double that of non-Asian ones. 25% of ALL US doctors are Indian or of Indian decent! Kudos Asians.
As a white guy, I absolutely admire your collective dedication to excellence.
It does aggravate me. Asians don't get the minority treatment just because we're successful. In fact, it actually works against us. And Asians aren't special or better. It's not like we're genetically superior and have some unfair advantage over everyone else. We just have a different culture that emphasizes things like education and hard work and excellence, but those characteristics aren't at all exclusive to Asians. Other cultures value the same things, and any random person can decide they think those things are important and live by them and raise their families by them. So why should Asians be put at a disadvantage for that?
But it doesn't bother me so much in the sense that I feel personally slighted. I just feel like, in general, people should be based purely on merit rather than even considering race or ethnicity. In regards to any field/job/position (not just dentistry and medicine), shouldn't the most qualified people (however each school/company/etc wants to define what that is) be accepted regardless of their background? I don't see how the fact that my family was originally from India has any impact on me, the individual, and my particular capabilities and skills and intelligence.
What organization sets this ridiculous set of guidelines for minorities? It REALLY aggravates me knowing that I'm not a minority even though we make up a rough estimate of 5% of America. With that said, most asians in college now are either first or second generation families to even live in this country.
I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say but I actually feel like writing whoever sets these minorities guidelines, a letter, which argues all of this.
What organization sets this ridiculous set of guidelines for minorities? It REALLY aggravates me knowing that I'm not a minority even though we make up a rough estimate of 5% of America. With that said, most asians in college now are either first or second generation families to even live in this country.
I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say but I actually feel like writing whoever sets these minorities guidelines, a letter, which argues all of this.
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services:
"underrepresented minority means, with respect to a health profession, racial and ethnic populations that are under-represented in the health profession relative to the number of individuals who are members of the population involved."
What organization sets this ridiculous set of guidelines for minorities? It REALLY aggravates me knowing that I'm not a minority even though we make up a rough estimate of 5% of America. With that said, most asians in college now are either first or second generation families to even live in this country.
I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say but I actually feel like writing whoever sets these minorities guidelines, a letter, which argues all of this.
Then go to UCLA or UCSF. Affirmative action is illegal in California (for public schools anyway), so as a result, URMs virtually don't exist at UCSF/LA. They're a prime example of what'll happen when you remove AA.
Incorrect. They may define what underrepresented minority means, but the schools themselves determine who they accept. They can accept whoever they want. If they want to accept blacks with lower scores, then they'll do so. If you think it's unfair, call up the director of admissions and express your dissatisfaction with them. (Then tell then you'll be applying to their fine institution)
Listen, when did I ever say that AA is unfair? The OP asked for a source for the definition, and I simply JUST GAVE IT TO HIM/HER.
Don't get me wrong, affirmative action can indeed be quite a sensative topic at times. But I am sure I did NOTHING wrong to warrant this type of reaction. I just merely answered one question. That's it.
And thats a bad thing? Affirmative action should be illegal in EVERY state...(yes I think a person should be accepted by merits and merits only...)
Yup, and also American Indians.
I think that you guys may be overexaggerating what is going on here. Dental schools (from what I know/feel from admissions) will always only accept qualified people whom they know can complete the requirements (or have the capbility to). Lets say "x" black person has slightly lower grades, but they came from a bad town and didn't have a very good high school education,that CAN affect their college experience and ability to do exceptionally well, even if they want to. They may also have to work full time while in school full time, this also affects their grades.
However, just because someone is black/hispanic/minority they will not just get accepted in most cases. They still have to meet certain criteria and if they have been at a disadvantage their entire life, they will have the opportunity to show that while applying. However, note that this is only 30 lines in the application as opposed to like 60 as in "why did you choose this field" question, at least here in Texas.
I think the schools keep it as fair as possible. I admit, I have had a good life. My parents paid for college, at least what I didn't get paid by scholarships. I did not work at a job, however I have worked my tail off in school simply because I am a hard worker at whatever I do. I understand that there may be others who have to get a job in school, and others who came from a bad high school, which is why I said that above. I don't mean to offend anyone, this is simply my opinion and hopefully it will clear things up.
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just my 2 cents...
Quit whining that you need a helping hand to get into dental school. You sound like you love the idea of affirmative action; but then when you learn what it's meant for and realize it doesn't help you, you hate it. If you think racial groups need special treatment, shouldn't caucasian people get some since they are underrepresented now in dental school? It's really lame to demand preferential treatment because of your race, but even more so when your race is overrepresented.What organization sets this ridiculous set of guidelines for minorities? It REALLY aggravates me knowing that I'm not a minority even though we make up a rough estimate of 5% of America. With that said, most asians in college now are either first or second generation families to even live in this country.
I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say but I actually feel like writing whoever sets these minorities guidelines, a letter, which argues all of this.
What organization sets this ridiculous set of guidelines for minorities? It REALLY aggravates me knowing that I'm not a minority even though we make up a rough estimate of 5% of America. With that said, most asians in college now are either first or second generation families to even live in this country.
I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say but I actually feel like writing whoever sets these minorities guidelines, a letter, which argues all of this.
You sound like you really need that consideration in order to be accepted to dental school.
Asians and south east asians are actually FAIRLY represented in the health field. So please, quit your whining. If you have good grades , EC's, and LORs, nothing's going to stop you from getting in. Do you feel like your application needs the URM booster in order to get in? Tough luck, because URMs are only meant to boost the demographic that are the "minority" in the specific health field.
I know, someone's probably going to bring up that putting others in favor puts the rest in jeopardy, but seriously, as long as your application's good, you're likely to get in some where.
It's neither good nor bad. I'm not making a judgement call. Both UCLA and UCSF currently has 2 hispanics each in the class of 2012. No blacks or native americans (from what I can see). The remainder are white, asian, indian, persian, ...etc. That's the world without affirmative action.
I think you just need your tribal papers to verify your lineage. You would be in rare company as only 55 applied last year. As opposed to the 2468 Asians (as of Nov ‘07) which was 25% of the total applicants, 476 for Blacks, and 406 for Latinos (as of Nov ‘07).Bingo, good.
My great Grandpa was American Indian and I have family living on reservations out west.
What is required from me to prove this connection though? I am not close with the American Indian side of my family, which documents would I need?
Sounds fair to me.
so my dad is actually indian but he was born in africa.....so would i be considered half-african?
so my dad is actually indian but he was born in africa.....so would i be considered half-african?
http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/68/8/880/T3
Newest stats I could find. Looks like asians are on par with everybody else as far as applied to accepted ratios in dental schools go.
As for asians being discriminated against, you can thank the groups above average smarts for that, as well as the schools policies. Universities using any form of preferential admissions treatment based on race are looking for 'diversity' among the student body. If one minority group is already well represented because they are more then competitive without the schools preferential treatment, then the number accepted is going to drop in favor of accepting members of a group that isn't represented to the number the school wants.
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services:
"underrepresented minority means, with respect to a health profession, racial and ethnic populations that are under-represented in the health profession relative to the number of individuals who are members of the population involved."
It's neither good nor bad. I'm not making a judgement call. Both UCLA and UCSF currently has 2 hispanics each in the class of 2012. No blacks or native americans (from what I can see). The remainder are white, asian, indian, persian, ...etc. That's the world without affirmative action.
It's unfair, because I want preferential treatment too! But hey, Asians comprise around 40% of the dental school population, so they're definately getting in. Look at the number of blacks within a given dental class, and you'll see that there's around one, maybe two, per class. The URM's are not really getting in by the masses.