MIR, Northwestern, Yale, UTSW

[happygolucky11]

I am currently located in Chicago and hope to find an academic job in big cities such as NYC, Chicago or San Francisco eventually. Now I am struggling how to rank these 4.... Any comment would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

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[shark2000]

MIR has clearly the best academic reputation. It is up to you whether you want to move there for 5-6 years. If you think after doing residency and fellowship at MIR, you will get E-mails left and right begging to hire you, that's not gonna happen. However, you will have an edge over someone who has been trained at Yale.

If you like Chicago this is what I recommend: Go to NW then try to find a fellowship in the city that you want to settle. Also try your best to publish and do research during your residency. Having publications, research background and connections are very important to find an academic job.

 

[happygolucky11]

Thanks much for your comments! Do you think trained at Yale will have a hiring advantage in NYC or Boston in terms of reputation and connection? Thanks again!

MIR has clearly the best academic reputation. It is up to you whether you want to move there for 5-6 years. If you think after doing residency and fellowship at MIR, you will get E-mails left and right begging to hire you, that's not gonna happen. However, you will have an edge over someone who has been trained at Yale.

If you like Chicago this is what I recommend: Go to NW then try to find a fellowship in the city that you want to settle. Also try your best to publish and do research during your residency. Having publications, research background and connections are very important to find an academic job.

 

[shark2000]

Thanks much for your comments! Do you think trained at Yale will have a hiring advantage in NYC or Boston in terms of reputation and connection? Thanks again!

For jobs in New England including suburbs of Boston and the state of NY outside the city and esp in the state of CT yes. For Boston (I mean inside the city) may be marginally. NYC esp Manhattan probably not.

Best jobs (or may be most jobs) in NYC go to local trainees of well connected NY programs (there are more than enough of them). Even when market was very good, NYC esp Manhattan was considered a super-saturated market with low salaries and crappy jobs. MGH and BWH have about 50-60 fellows each year which are enough to fill all good jobs in the area. Yale is a good program, but is not considered a top notch program in the world of radiology.

 

[happygolucky11]

Will UTSW or NW be considered a top notch program in Radiology? Thanks!🙂

For jobs in New England including suburbs of Boston and the state of NY outside the city and esp in the state of CT yes. For Boston (I mean inside the city) may be marginally. NYC esp Manhattan probably not.

Best jobs (or may be most jobs) in NYC go to local trainees of well connected NY programs (there are more than enough of them). Even when market was very good, NYC esp Manhattan was considered a super-saturated market with low salaries and crappy jobs. MGH and BWH have about 50-60 fellows each year which are enough to fill all good jobs in the area. Yale is a good program, but is not considered a top notch program in the world of radiology.

 

[shark2000]

NW is considered a very good program, but not on par with MGH, UPenn, BWH, USCF or MIR. The only exception is its IR department which is considered one of the best.

UTSW is a good program, but more of regional that national reputation.

Talk about MIR or UCSF in any part of the country and most radiologists will tell you that these are excellent programs. Many other program, though excellent are not going to receive such compliments.

 

[Hysty]

NW is considered a very good program, but not on par with MGH, UPenn, BWH, USCF or MIR. The only exception is its IR department which is considered one of the best.

UTSW is a good program, but more of regional that national reputation.

Talk about MIR or UCSF in any part of the country and most radiologists will tell you that these are excellent programs. Many other program, though excellent are not going to receive such compliments.

How about Yale vs. NW? Which one would you choose and why?

 

[shark2000]

How about Yale vs. NW? Which one would you choose and why?

I don't think there is a significant difference. Your choice should be based more on location. However, if location wise the same, I personally choose NW. My information is 3-4 years old. I don't think things have changed dramatically.

NW has a top notch IR and Body MRI departments. They used to have a very high body MRI volume, something that is not very common.

Yale is a very solid program. None of its departments are really number one. When I was a resident and went to AFIP, people used to say that it is a fellow run relaxed program which is "too easy for residents". It is one of the first programs in the county that had 24 hour attending coverage which is a negative factor for me. When I was in training, most of the programs did not have attending night coverage.

Honestly, one of the best aspects of my residency was independent night calls. I had to make my own decision, right or wrong. I learned a lot. Clinical medicine including radiology is different than what is written in books or is tested in boards, though both of them are necessary. This is why we do residency and don't sit at home and read. Now I don't recommend you to choose a low tier program in CT or NY over Yale because they are resident run. However within the same class of programs ( NW, Yale, UTSW and ... are in the same class IMO), I choose the one that fits my desirable location better (most important factor) or fits my personality better (friendly versus formal, ....) or is more resident than fellow run.

 

[DermViser]

MIR has clearly the best academic reputation. It is up to you whether you want to move there for 5-6 years. If you think after doing residency and fellowship at MIR, you will get E-mails left and right begging to hire you, that's not gonna happen. However, you will have an edge over someone who has been trained at Yale.

If you like Chicago this is what I recommend: Go to NW then try to find a fellowship in the city that you want to settle. Also try your best to publish and do research during your residency. Having publications, research background and connections are very important to find an academic job.

Isn't MIR one of the best Radiology residency programs in the U.S.? I imagine if you did rads residency there and did an interventional fellowship, you'd be getting offers out the wazoo.