Missing statistics on COVID-19?

[Sine Cura]

They're also not ethnic cleansing. No disappearing people either. Right

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[Chrish]

1 week and people are already getting out. Our elderly patients who were determined to stay home initially have been showing up to the store.

Reckon this self-quarantine concept isn’t gonna last long. Americans just aren’t used to not getting out of home.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Mark my words, we won't break 30k deaths in the US.

(We'll see how this ages)

Not looking good, breaking 30k by the end of the week.

Guess Americans are dumber then I thought.

 

[Sine Cura]

More cruise ship bookings for 2021

More people are booking cruises for 2021 compared to 2019 despite coronavirus

Despite the coronavirus pandemic’s effect on the cruise industry, including multiple cases in which ships were forbidden to dock due to outbreaks onboard, booking is up for 2021 compared to 2019, t…

thehill.com

Boomers gonna boom until everything goes bust

 

[BMBiology]

Not looking good, breaking 30k by the end of the week.

Guess Americans are dumber then I thought.

Can’t blame the average American when our own president didn’t take it seriously. He was warned by our intelligence agency in January but he didn’t prepare us for this pandemic.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Can’t blame the average American when our own president didn’t take it seriously. He was warned by our intelligence agency in January but he didn’t prepare us for this pandemic.

So it's Trump's fault New York has no idea what it's doing? When should he have shut down the country? January?

Like I said last time to you, you can't just shut the country down everytime there's a virus going around.....ask Obama.

At what point do you say we place blame on the actual people or their governor's?

 

[BMBiology]

So it's Trump's fault New York has no idea what it's doing?

At what point do you say we place blame on the actual people or their governor's?

Trump is our president. The buck stops with him.

He has tremendous power but he didn’t listen to his advisors. He went with his gut feeling. We all know he got it wrong.

 

[BMBiology]

So it's Trump's fault New York has no idea what it's doing? When should he have shut down the country? January?

Like I said last time to you, you can't just shut the country down everytime there's a virus going around.....ask Obama.

At what point do you say we place blame on the actual people or their governor's?

He didn’t have the shut down the country in January but there is no reason why he couldn’t have make sure we have enough masks, ventilators, test kits.

If other countries did it, why couldn’t we?

 

[wagrxm2000]

He didn’t have the shut down the country in January but there is no reason why he couldn’t have make sure we have enough masks, ventilators, test kits.

If other countries did it, why couldn’t we?

Spain, Italy, France, Germany, China, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Ireland, Portugal, Norway, etc. Are these not major countries?

 

[BMBiology]

Spain, Italy, France, Germany, China, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Ireland, Portugal, Norway, etc. Are these not major countries?

Are we not the most powerful, richest country in the world?

Germany got it right, you fool. So did Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore.

Why couldn’t you say he f*cked up?

 

[wagrxm2000]

Are we not the most powerful, richest country in the world?

Germany got it right. So did Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore.

Why couldn’t you say he f*cked up?

We had 13k cases in total when California locked it's state down. Did the rest of the US ignore that?

 

[BMBiology]

We had 13k cases in total when California locked it's state down. Did the rest of the US ignore that?

There wasn’t enough test kits. Even now, there is still not enough test kits.

Again, why couldn’t you admit that Trump f*cked up?

He was boosting about the high rating from his daily briefing just the other day. Who the hell does that?

 

[wagrxm2000]

There wasn’t enough test kits. Even now, there is still not enough test kits.

Again, why couldn’t you admit that Trump f*cked up?

He was boosting about the high rating from his daily briefing just the other day. Who the hell does that?

Because what now 60k might die? That's barely worse then a flu season.

Do you know how many abortions we have here in a typical year? Over 600k.

It's amazing to me how Obama gets no crap over H1N1 which estimated to have killed between 100k and 600k yet now Trump is completely at fault for this.

 

[BMBiology]

Because what now 60k might die? That's barely worse then a flu season.

Do you know how many abortions we have here in a typical year? Over 600k.

It's amazing to me how Obama gets no crap over H1N1 which estimated to have killed between 100k and 600k yet now Trump is completely at fault for his.

I don’t get your post. We shut the whole country down and you are comparing this to the regular flu?

 

[wagrxm2000]

I don’t get your post. We shut the whole country down and you are comparing this to the regular flu?

So no blame to Obama?

 

[Sine Cura]

SMH bringing up H1N1 2009 and blaming Obama.... for what?

More COVID-19 deaths in the US to date compared to H1N1 2009

From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

www.cdc.gov

Inb4 CDC fake news

 

[BMBiology]

I told you so:

 

[Old Timer]

So it's Trump's fault New York has no idea what it's doing? When should he have shut down the country? January?

Like I said last time to you, you can't just shut the country down everytime there's a virus going around.....ask Obama.

At what point do you say we place blame on the actual people or their governor's?

Really:

History will treat him poorly. This is the worst job of Presidential leadership the history of the country. Ig he had acted early we might not have had to shut down the country. From testing to PPE to ventilators it has been an epic fail of Presidential leadership.

When JFK became President he allowed the Bay of Pigs Invasion to go on not knowing the entire premise was itr would fail and we would be forced to use US troops to overthrow Castro. While not is plan when it failed he accepted responsibility bu saying:

KENNEDY ON THE BAY OF PIGS “Victory has a hundred fathers, but defeat is an orphan. ... I am the responsible officer of the government.”Credit...George Tames/The New York Times

Unlike Trump:

"Yeah, I don't take responsibility at all because we were given a set of circumstances, and we were given rules, regulations, and specifications from a different time that wasn't meant for this kind of an event with the kind of numbers that we're talking about,"

One is leader and one is a loser. When one thinks of the great men that have held that Office in trying times, Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy and comapre that to what we have now.

 

[TheBlaah]

One is leader and one is a loser. When one thinks of the great men that have held that Office in trying times, Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy and comapre that to what we have now.

I think the reason why he's so defensive is perhaps is that he subconsciously recognizes so much of himself in Trump.

This thread alone he's coming up with fake statistics.

This death rate will end up being under 1%

Mark my words, we won't break 30k deaths in the US.

It's amazing to me how Obama gets no crap over H1N1 which estimated to have killed between 100k and 600k yet now Trump is completely at fault for this.

The first two statements are obviously wrong on its current projection.
12k people died from H1N1 in the US (the stat being quoted is worldwide), and that was over the period of an entire year. I guess somehow Obama's responsible for the 100k-600k deaths worldwide?

Blaming others for his mistakes

Not looking good, breaking 30k by the end of the week.

Guess Americans are dumber then I thought.

Throwing out random people to blame

At what point do you say we place blame on the actual people or their governor's?

Spain, Italy, France, Germany, China, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Ireland, Portugal, Norway, etc. Are these not major countries?

It's amazing to me how Obama gets no crap over H1N1 which estimated to have killed between 100k and 600k yet now Trump is completely at fault for this.

 

[owlegrad]

Trump wants to defund the World Health Organization but we have someone in this thread defending him and saying he isn’t responsible for the US response to this pandemic?

How detached from reality do you have to be to think that Trump has handled this crisis well?

 

[owlegrad]

Spain, Italy, France, Germany, China, UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Ireland, Portugal, Norway, etc. Are these not major countries?

So you want the US to do as well as other countries that have failed? Shouldn’t the US have the best response, not near the worst?

Should we consider it winning as long as we aren’t last? I thought winning was being first! Or maybe we are tired of winning?

 

[wagrxm2000]

I think the reason why he's so defensive is perhaps is that he subconsciously recognizes so much of himself in Trump.

This thread alone he's coming up with fake statistics.

The first two statements are obviously wrong on its current projection.
12k people died from H1N1 in the US (the stat being quoted is worldwide), and that was over the period of an entire year. I guess somehow Obama's responsible for the 100k-600k deaths worldwide?

Blaming others for his mistakes



Throwing out random people to blame

That was worldwide deaths just for emphasis. We have not reached that level even though the death rate is higher. You can go to the CDC website. The 1% will end up being right when estimates come out. Currently at 4% with only confirmed cases. The estimate will be way over 3 times confirmed.

You take this forum too seriously if you actually think I care if I'm right or not. If you look at my posts, I argue for entertainment.

I have said many times I don't not care for Trump the person but I do not want a socialist destroying our country so yes I will defend him.

 

[wagrxm2000]

So you want the US to do as well as other countries that have failed? Shouldn’t the US have the best response, not near the worst?

Should we consider it winning as long as we aren’t last? I thought winning was being first! Or maybe we are tired of winning?

So Obama failed?

All I'm saying is even if we shut the country down immediately, without even a known case, this still would have happened. Look at New York. They've known for months and still can't control it. Those first cases here were definitely not the first KNOWN cases. It has been spreading here much longer.

The death rate is higher. But it's definitely going to be under 1% when ALL cases are estimated.

Can you imagine what the country would be like if the flu had a higher death rate? We've already accepted the flu and soon we will accept Covid19.

Trump wants to defund the World Health Organization but we have someone in this thread defending him and saying he isn’t responsible for the US response to this pandemic?

How detached from reality do you have to be to think that Trump has handled this crisis well?

In the end of the day, there's only one goal. To get reelected. It's why the system is broken.

 

[BMBiology]

That was worldwide deaths just for emphasis. We have not reached that level even though the death rate is higher. You can go to the CDC website.

You take this forum too seriously if you actually think I care if I'm right or not. If you look at my posts, I argue for entertainment.

I have said many times I don't not care for Trump the person but I do not want a socialist destroying our country so yes I will defend him.

Who is the socialist that you are bravely defending our country from?

 

[wagrxm2000]

Who is the socialist that you are bravely defending our country from?

Well luckily we have another 4 years.

But we are just about to kill 60k senior voters for when Bernie tries again next time.

This is why I don't consider myself a republican. Since I want less government involvement, that's how I have to vote. It's the system that forces my vote.

 

[owlegrad]

So Obama failed?

Did he? I don’t know. If he did fail, are you saying that makes it ok for Trump to fail worse? Shouldn’t Trump want to do better not worse?

I honestly don’t know if Obama’s response to H1N1 was better or worse than Trumps response to COVID. In terms of results it certainly was better (fewer deaths) but that doesn’t mean everything.

What confuses me about this argument is it doesn’t change anything about Trump being wrong. It’s Whataboutism at its finest. Who cares if Obama was right 11 years ago? Your best defense of Trump is “what about Obama”? What kind of argument is that?

 

[wagrxm2000]

What's interesting is we at one point had about 5 candidates getting over 10% support. Now the whole party will vote for one person

A Bernie supporter should not be voting for Biden. Bernie disguises himself as a Democrat just to get their vote. If there weren't party lines, he'd still be running.

The election would have been 45% Trump, 30% Biden, 20% Bernie +/- a couple percent.

I'm sorry if I have to defend Trump but I see what is eventually going to happen and I want to prolong it from happening as long as possible. Even if it means defending a person whose personality I dislike.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Did he? I don’t know. If he did fail, are you saying that makes it ok for Trump to fail worse? Shouldn’t Trump want to do better not worse?

I honestly don’t know if Obama’s response to H1N1 was better or worse than Trumps response to COVID. In terms of results it certainly was better (fewer deaths) but that doesn’t mean everything.

What confuses me about this argument is it doesn’t change anything about Trump being wrong. It’s Whataboutism at its finest. Who cares if Obama was right 11 years ago? Your best defense of Trump is “what about Obama”? What kind of argument is that?

You know my point. You aren't willing to say Obama failed either.

The media attacks Trump non-stop but you didn't hear anything nearly as often about Obama. Half the country disagreed with him.

 

[owlegrad]

You know my point. You aren't willing to say Obama failed either.

The media attacks Trump non-stop but you didn't hear anything nearly as often about Obama. Half the country disagreed with him.

That’s not true. The media also attacked Obama nonstop. He was degraded for “bowing” to foreign leaders, for founding ISIS, being a Muslim, and any number of other stupidity. The idea that Trump is more critiqued than any other modern president is silly.

 

[Sine Cura]

Hmmm depends on which media you consoooooooom don't it

 

[wagrxm2000]

That’s not true. The media also attacked Obama nonstop. He was degraded for “bowing” to foreign leaders, for founding ISIS, being a Muslim, and any number of other stupidity. The idea that Trump is more critiqued than any other modern president is silly.

Oh please unless you go to fox news there wasn't nearly as much attacks. You can't watch any channel without the talking heads going after Trump.

Thank goodness, CNBC keeps it's opinions to itself.

Obama is seen as a saint.

 

[owlegrad]

Oh please unless you go to fox news there wasn't nearly as much attacks. You can't watch any channel without the talking heads going after Trump.

Thank goodness, CNBC keeps it's opinions to itself.

Obama is seen as a saint.

Conformation bias. Obama was literally called the Antichrist, the founder of ISIS, etc etc. Your perception is that he is seen as a saint due to your bias.

Can you imagine if Obama had defunded WHO in the middle of a pandemic? People would have lost their minds. So why not Trump?

 

[wagrxm2000]

Conformation bias. Obama was literally called the Antichrist, the founder of ISIS, etc etc. Your perception is that he is seen as a saint due to your bias.

Can you imagine if Obama had defunded WHO in the middle of a pandemic? People would have lost their minds. So why not Trump?

Yes that happened but it wasn't from the main media sites newspapers or tv channels. There's a difference between occasionally going against the a President and never saying anything positive

We'll see what happens when Biden is President.

Bet all the late night shows don't attack him.

 

[TheBlaah]

That was worldwide deaths just for emphasis. We have not reached that level even though the death rate is higher. You can go to the CDC website.

Just for "emphasis". Sure. Makes total sense since the two previous statistics you had listed in the same post were for the US, and then decided to switch it to global stats when it became convenient. We can chalk it up to creative license rather than ignorance or intent to misinform.
Seeing as there's already 100k+ global confirmed deaths, we've already reached the 100k-600k "level" of global deaths within 3 months instead of a year, and it obviously surpassed the level of deaths in the US. This is of course with advised quarantines in place; who knows what it could have been otherwise.

The 1% will end up being right when estimates come out. Currently at 4% with only confirmed cases. The estimate will be way over 3 times confirmed.

I seem to recall your last divination of the future. You might be right. But I suspect you're once again just throwing out numbers and seeing what sticks.

You take this forum too seriously if you actually think I care if I'm right or not. If you look at my posts, I argue for entertainment.

Sounds like you're describing yourself as a troll.

I have said many times I don't not care for Trump the person but I do not want a socialist destroying our country so yes I will defend him.

So you're downplaying the effects of the virus and defending his response to it because of political and economic ideology rather than the facts at hand. Good to know you're biased at least.

As for my personal opinion, I could care less about Trump. I personally think people and businesses should be allowed to fail and "stimulus" checks and "bailouts" shouldn't be necessary. I'm of the opinion the government shouldn't be intervening in private businesses, though they should be partially responsible for funding public hospitals during this time.

 

[wagrxm2000]

Just for "emphasis". Sure. Makes total sense since the two previous statistics you had listed in the same post were for the US, and then decided to switch it to global stats when it became convenient. We can chalk it up to creative license rather than ignorance or intent to misinform.
Seeing as there's already 100k+ global confirmed deaths, we've already reached the 100k-600k "level" of global deaths within 3 months instead of a year, and it obviously surpassed the level of deaths in the US. This is of course with advised quarantines in place; who knows what it could have been otherwise.



I seem to recall your last divination of the future. You might be right. But I suspect you're once again just throwing out numbers and seeing what sticks.


Sounds like you're describing yourself as a troll.



So you're downplaying the effects of the virus and defending his response to it because of political and economic ideology rather than the facts at hand. Good to know you're biased at least.

As for my personal opinion, I could care less about Trump. I personally think people and businesses should be allowed to fail and "stimulus" checks and "bailouts" shouldn't be necessary. I'm of the opinion the government shouldn't be intervening in private businesses, though they should be partially responsible for funding public hospitals during this time.

Note to self, you are too serious to interact with.

Topics outside pharmacy shouldn't be taken so serious.

 

[BMBiology]

Note to self, you are too serious to interact with.

Topics outside pharmacy shouldn't be taken so serious.

Aka I know nothing

 

[wagrxm2000]

Aka I know nothing

Huh, he didn't say anything to respond to.

 

[Old Timer]

What if Fox News Covered Trump the way the covered Obama

 

[wagrxm2000]

What if Fox News Covered Trump the way the covered Obama

I wouldn't recommend anyone listen to fox.

Just like I don't recommend CNN or MSNBC

 

[wagrxm2000]

I'm going to leave this here and let everyone answer this question to themselves:

‘When people make these accusations, I have to ask them: Is the goal to make Trump look bad or is the goal to get to the truth? Because there are two separate sets of answers for that.’

He absolutely destroys Maher

This man will be president one day

 

[Sine Cura]

You mean like how people asking for Obama's birth certificate were asking in good faith?

 

[wagrxm2000]

You mean like how people asking for Obama's birth certificate were asking in good faith?

Not saying it's Democrat only. I've made myself very clear I dislike politicians as a whole

But yes just like they want Trump's tax returns.

 

[VictorOfHungerGames]

Are we not the most powerful, richest country in the world?

Germany got it right, you fool. So did Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore.

Why couldn’t you say he f*cked up?

South Koreans did not have the type of lockdown we are currently having. Their government just responded better with better leaders. Their government didnt act like snowflakes and freaked out. They did what needed to be done.

That being said, they are much smaller and dense country than we are. Much easier to control the mass and have better flow of information.

Other than new york and some other hot spots, we really shouldn't be having this type of lock down.

My friends and family in korea are constantly messaging me and asking me why US is doing what we are doing. Especially when people hoarded stuff. I got no answer for them. Lol.

 

[owlegrad]

“Better leaders” is basically meaningless. What specifically did they do better than us to have better outcomes?

 

[DagS132]

South Koreans did not have the type of lockdown we are currently having. Their government just responded better with better leaders. Their government didnt act like snowflakes and freaked out. They did what needed to be done.

That being said, they are much smaller and dense country than we are. Much easier to control the mass and have better flow of information.

Other than new york and some other hot spots, we really shouldn't be having this type of lock down.

My friends and family in korea are constantly messaging me and asking me why US is doing what we are doing. Especially when people hoarded stuff. I got no answer for them. Lol.

Korea did go on voluntary lock down though.... Ive got family there telling they did so. Things are slowly going back to somewhat normal now but did do the lockdown.

 

[VictorOfHungerGames]

Korea did go on voluntary lock down though.... Ive got family there telling they did so. Things are slowly going back to somewhat normal now but did do the lockdown.

Yeah but it wasnt as chaotic as it is here in US.

 

[DagS132]

Yeah but it wasnt as chaotic as it is here in US.

Thats because they went on lockdown, tested, and literally pointed out the infected very early.

 

[VictorOfHungerGames]

Thats because they went on lockdown, tested, and literally pointed out the infected very early.

Right. What we not doing is having the tests readily available and pointing out the infected.

My wife, who is a biochemist, told me that testing shouldnt be too difficult since all you would need is rRT-PCR. The med school she works at, literally every lab has multiple machines that could run this yet only very few places are allowed to do them. Not sure why they wouldnt be running as much tests as possible so that we can isolate the ones truly infected.

 

[Old Timer]

I'm going to leave this here and let everyone answer this question to themselves:

‘When people make these accusations, I have to ask them: Is the goal to make Trump look bad or is the goal to get to the truth? Because there are two separate sets of answers for that.’

He absolutely destroys Maher

This man will be president one day

I don't have time now, but I can rebut just about everything he said. It;s right wing progaganda. It was known inside the ID community the first case was unrelated to the wet markets was 12/1/19. That means it originated in the middle of November. It was already too late to stop it from spreading world wide.

Read in on this and you will find this is a massive failure of the US govermment When this is over heads will have to roll at the CDC. We don't have a parliamentary form of government. The President is the Chief executive and he is responsible. That's why the sign on Truman's desk didn't say the buck stops there.

We will be unable to stop this virus and open our economy until and unless we have the capability to test, isolate the infected and contact trace everyone they came in contact with. It's Public Heath 101. The sole job of the President right now is to bend the entire force of the Federal Government to get sufficient tests, supplies and reagents to the states so they can do their job.

More to follow

 

[sfachine]

I don't have time now, but I can rebut just about everything he said. It;s right wing progaganda. It was known inside the ID community the first case was unrelated to the wet markets was 12/1/19. That means it originated in the middle of November. It was already too late to stop it from spreading world wide.

Read in on this and you will find this is a massive failure of the US govermment When this is over heads will have to roll at the CDC. We don't have a parliamentary form of government. The President is the Chief executive and he is responsible. That's why the sign on Truman's desk didn't say the buck stops there.

We will be unable to stop this virus and open our economy until and unless we have the capability to test, isolate the infected and contact trace everyone they came in contact with. It's Public Heath 101. The sole job of the President right now is to bend the entire force of the Federal Government to get sufficient tests, supplies and reagents to the states so they can do their job.

More to follow
[/QUOTEThere are tradeoffs to every policy.If you keep it locked down in a depression long you will have even more problems than now.No workers means no production.To me the risk from the virus is not worth a lockdown even without mass testing.