Monitoring CRNAs with 2-4 rooms and/ or OB

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how do you guys feels about general and OB care including induction emergenc e, epidural and spinal with CRNAs.

What is the line to take over and how much to delegate. Its a fast and changing field and our credit is on line with court
 
how do you guys feels about general and OB care including induction emergenc e, epidural and spinal with CRNAs.

What is the line to take over and how much to delegate. Its a fast and changing field and our credit is on line with court

How long have you been practicing out of Residency? Are you nervous about your own skills? Are you polished and experienced with the types of cases you are covering? Do you know your CRNAs skill levels and knowledge base?
 
how do you guys feels about general and OB care including induction emergenc e, epidural and spinal with CRNAs.

What is the line to take over and how much to delegate. Its a fast and changing field and our credit is on line with court

Would not, do not let CRNA's play with needles, period. I have had my fair share of supervision. Not too many things are more painful than watching a CRNA playing with a needle, without fully knowing the consequences of such actions....
 
yeah we have a morning CRNA float on our OB anesthesia service so the residents dont get called out of lecture...ive had some interesting supervisory experiences, lets just leave it at that.
 
how do you guys feels about general and OB care including induction emergenc e, epidural and spinal with CRNAs.

What is the line to take over and how much to delegate. Its a fast and changing field and our credit is on line with court

Ours is a by-the-book ACT practice. No more than 1:4 medical direction, and meeting all the TEFRA requirements that "medical direction" requires (present at induction and emergence and the other 5 requirements). We have an anesthesiologist and anesthetists in-house 24/7, so there is NEVER a time that an anesthesiologist is not involved with the care of our patients. We have an extremely busy community hospital practice (PM me if you want some numbers and how we manage), but are staffed appropriately with anesthesiologists, AA's, and CRNA's (and even some NP's) to handle the caseload.

In my particular practice, none of our anesthetists do regionals or central lines. The best person to make the decision of who does what is the anesthesiologist at the local level. In fact it's entirely practice or hospital specific, and there are no state laws that say CRNA's or AA's can't do these procedures.

I learned how to place central lines and Swans from a well-known cardiac anesthesiologist, back before we even had pre-made kits available to us. In my first practice, I did countless central lines, Swans, and SAB's. That's just the way we practiced. All were within my scope of practice (and from the state's standpoint, still are). My current practice does not allow this (although my moonlighting practice does), but hey, I knew that going in, and my competency is not measured by where I can stick a needle. With that, and because my practice is epidural-centric and rarely needs central lines, I'm in the curious position of having done more spinals, CVL's, and Swans than most of my attendings.
 
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I haven't read your earlier posts, but are you new to supervising, by chance? It's a big transition. I do all lines, blocks, neuraxials, and FOIs. Even do the art lines if I can get to holding quick enough. Be very conservative until you know your staff. Don't feel apologetic about doing procedures or closely directing the anesthetic, you're the one with deep pockets that will get sued. Don't get talked into shortcuts.
 
I found it ironic that I'm the one defending CRNAs on this thread. But, if the truth be told there is subset of CRNAs who are quite adept with needles. These CRNAs have the skill and experience to place an Epidural or spinal quite well. The fact that you don't feel comfortable allowing them to do it is another story.
 
I stay in OB until baby is out , uterus contracts down and the baby looks good. Do i let the CRNA do the spinal..sure, but only when i am present. I know my staff so i know who i can leave alone and who i cant.
 
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