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Just wondering, if anybody knew which undergrad institution sent the most students to medical school total?
Most successful undergrad institution
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I don't really like the whole percentage accepted numbers. Those can REALLY easily lie. I know here at UCSD the counselors are great at getting people NOT to apply so that they can keep their percent high. Let's hear about acutal numbers accepted. (You may notice, that's the information the OP asked for to begin with.) In 2000, UCSD had 176 accepted. <a href="http://career.ucsd.edu/studentsalumni/pmedhis.htm" target="_blank">http://career.ucsd.edu/studentsalumni/pmedhis.htm</a>
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I don't have the Stat sheet with me, but Cal rocks too. I think about 40-45% of the applicants typically get accepted to school each year.
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My original intention of the post was not to ask about percentages because that is deceiving. Compare a prestigious private school like Hopkins or UChicago and a highly reputable large public university like Berkeley or UCLA with far more med school applicants. Sure Cal or LA will be at a disadvantage in terms of percentages. So all I'm cocnerned about is just total numbers.
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Well...depending on what this "percentage" represents. The % I provided earlier is based on the % ratio of the number of folks applied to med school each yr (400-700...sorry this number changes all the time and I can't keep up with it)to the number of folks who matriculated. I can't see why this % ratio wouldn't serve as a determinant for your question.
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If you really wanna know the raw number, a sure bet would be Indiana U or other undergrads whose student pop is even larger than that of Cal or UCLA AND have med school like Indiana U S of M that enrolls 1125 students total.
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and why would this be of any relevance to anyone?
percentage comparison would be better... but even that is misleading seeing that some premed committees won't let certain applicants apply if they're not strong enough.
so what's the point?
percentage comparison would be better... but even that is misleading seeing that some premed committees won't let certain applicants apply if they're not strong enough.
so what's the point?
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Didn't we have a thread on this before?
Some guy came up with an ingenious way to rank the schools!
He said Portland State was ranked # 4 b/c he knew it was sooooo good b/c he went there ...
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Some guy came up with an ingenious way to rank the schools!
He said Portland State was ranked # 4 b/c he knew it was sooooo good b/c he went there ...
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I'll put another plug for hopkins.... I know people going to every top place. yeah about 90% get accepted, and while they do weed out some, it's still typically between 150-200 people getting in each year. (only 1000/class at hopkins).
While we're certainly going to be quibbling about which is the BEST, hopkins certainly does enough for it's premeds to be called great/top tier.
While we're certainly going to be quibbling about which is the BEST, hopkins certainly does enough for it's premeds to be called great/top tier.
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I went to Cal, and it's unique because you don't have to run a premed advisory gauntlet to apply. It's a bit more of a hassle in terms of applying, because there's no premed board to help you make decisions and to write you a committee letter. But, on the other hand, ANYONE who wants to can apply (and not only those students who a committee chooses to be 'worthy' of applying). As I understand it, other schools' committees won't write you a committee letter if your creds arent strong enough. And without the letter, you can't apply.
This means Cal's 46% acceptance rate can't be directly compared to other schools' rates. Furthermore, each school handles the processa little differently. If the original poster is considering which undergrad to attend to have the best chance of getting into med school (which is a little sick, but entirely realistic), I would recommend choosing one that a) is big-name but gives gentlemen's B's and b) has a bunch of support for pre-meds, such as volunteer placing, medical studies classes, and get-to-know-you premed counselors.
Are there any schools that give out gentlemen's B's in science courses? From experience, I can say Cal doesn't :wink:
This means Cal's 46% acceptance rate can't be directly compared to other schools' rates. Furthermore, each school handles the processa little differently. If the original poster is considering which undergrad to attend to have the best chance of getting into med school (which is a little sick, but entirely realistic), I would recommend choosing one that a) is big-name but gives gentlemen's B's and b) has a bunch of support for pre-meds, such as volunteer placing, medical studies classes, and get-to-know-you premed counselors.
Are there any schools that give out gentlemen's B's in science courses? From experience, I can say Cal doesn't :wink:
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As Scooby said, there was a very reliable source a while ago that let us know that PORTLAND STATE = #1 premed program in the universe.
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Going by percentage accepted does indeed yield some strange results. I know when I was looking at undergrad institutions in Michigan, the highest I saw in the state was Northern Michigan University, at ~95%... a small, public school in the upper peninsula. This figure is also on their website. I suppose many of the applicants are rural residents, and that may be a reason for their high rate (since I think med schools like that).
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It seems to be that these percentages suffer from the same problems as the % that land one of their 'top three' residency choices. . .
If the premed commitee is adept at convincing people to either 1. not apply if they're not a stellar candidate of 2. apply to a range of schools such that they're very likely to be accepted somewhere, then the numbers aren't all that useful, per se.
It seems that this topic just ends up being a collection of people declaring that their undergrad institution is superior to others for reasons that they've been fed from their respective schools' premedical commitees. . .
If the premed commitee is adept at convincing people to either 1. not apply if they're not a stellar candidate of 2. apply to a range of schools such that they're very likely to be accepted somewhere, then the numbers aren't all that useful, per se.
It seems that this topic just ends up being a collection of people declaring that their undergrad institution is superior to others for reasons that they've been fed from their respective schools' premedical commitees. . .
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Taking the percentage to see which school has the highest acceptance % or whatever is just not reflective of how good a pre-med program a school has. Some schools have so many applicants that they set a cutting point as to how many people can apply etc. So, the answer would be that going to a highly talented school will help you achieve the best MCAT score that you can get if you put forth the effort and thus gain an acceptance.
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•••quote:•••Originally posted by Biffer:
•upenn is about 80-85% as well. Best of luck to all my 03' brethren who are applying.
BIFF•••••biffer i sent u a pm 🙂
•upenn is about 80-85% as well. Best of luck to all my 03' brethren who are applying.
BIFF•••••biffer i sent u a pm 🙂
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Suprisingly, the significant number of MIT sudents get into the top medical schools! Those who applied to the medical schools(the number may be less than JHS) are very successful and almost always get in somewhere..
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•••quote:••• But, on the other hand, ANYONE who wants to can apply (and not only those students who a committee chooses to be 'worthy' of applying). ••••How can a pre-medical committee keep you from applying?
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premed committee can keep you from applying by not recommending your app. You can go ahead an apply, but a lot of schools say "you must use the premed committee if your school has one" and you will be asked why you did not use it and you need a very good reason.
I just wanted to say that those schools with top % getting in, it's a good thing that the premed committee holds people back who werent ready to apply. Why tell people to go thru the process if they don't have a reasonable chance of getting in anyway. I know our (JHU) premed committee works with people for years after they've graduated to get their resume up to par so that they can apply. I think it's silly to look at it as a bad thing just because it inflates the % accepted.
I just wanted to say that those schools with top % getting in, it's a good thing that the premed committee holds people back who werent ready to apply. Why tell people to go thru the process if they don't have a reasonable chance of getting in anyway. I know our (JHU) premed committee works with people for years after they've graduated to get their resume up to par so that they can apply. I think it's silly to look at it as a bad thing just because it inflates the % accepted.
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My premed committee wrote the LOR before the MCAT scores came in. After they came in, my premed advisor told me not to apply just yet. Glad I didn't listen to him! Sometimes they are very very wrong. I suppose if they are discouraging someone from applying, it probably is due to more than just an mcat score. 😕
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Our pre-med advisor was boasting about a 70% acceptance rate at Cal State 🙂 (can we trust that #??)
As far as pre-med committees are concerned, I don't think that they can force you not to apply (unless, in the case of schools that require a committee letter as part of the secondary process, the committee refuses to write you a letter) but they can certainly discourage you.
When I first decided to go pre-med, an advisor "strongly discouraged" me from heading down that road, given the fact that I was originally pursuing a degree in nursing and in his "years of experience," he hadn't seen "much success in situations such as mine."
Puh-leez, I am so glad that I didn't listen to that idiot. Shouldn't there be some kind of strict screening process when deciding who has the opportunity to advise students?
As far as pre-med committees are concerned, I don't think that they can force you not to apply (unless, in the case of schools that require a committee letter as part of the secondary process, the committee refuses to write you a letter) but they can certainly discourage you.
When I first decided to go pre-med, an advisor "strongly discouraged" me from heading down that road, given the fact that I was originally pursuing a degree in nursing and in his "years of experience," he hadn't seen "much success in situations such as mine."
Puh-leez, I am so glad that I didn't listen to that idiot. Shouldn't there be some kind of strict screening process when deciding who has the opportunity to advise students?
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I've been intentionally staying out of this thread, but I can't anymore...
Numbers don't tell the story-- bigger schools will tend to have more accepted because more apply. On the other hand, percentages aren't terribly useful either for all of the reasons listed earlier.
As a 16 year old first year, my premed advisor told me that I shouldn't consider medicine because I got a B in first semester physics. She basically told me the committee wouldn't recommend me. However, the old bad retired and the new committee recommended me without hesitation. In the last 9 years, I've gone to grad school, done research, and published a dozen articles. I got in to several top tier med schools. So, the school doesn't always know everything, but they can make it difficult for someone to apply if they desire.
In the end, I think top tier schools (small liberal arts colleges and universities) have a solid record of getting students into top schools. Is that really a surprise? Med schools get quality students year in, year out from the top schools. Fair? Maybe not, but true. And students get into med schools without people to hold their hands throughout the process like I had. And they have truly achieved a feat. I just went to my advisor and said, "what do I do?" and they told me. That's why there's a 90% acceptance rate. They make sure you have everything done in the manner in which it needs to be...I guess that's what my parents paid $120,000 for, huh?
Numbers don't tell the story-- bigger schools will tend to have more accepted because more apply. On the other hand, percentages aren't terribly useful either for all of the reasons listed earlier.
As a 16 year old first year, my premed advisor told me that I shouldn't consider medicine because I got a B in first semester physics. She basically told me the committee wouldn't recommend me. However, the old bad retired and the new committee recommended me without hesitation. In the last 9 years, I've gone to grad school, done research, and published a dozen articles. I got in to several top tier med schools. So, the school doesn't always know everything, but they can make it difficult for someone to apply if they desire.
In the end, I think top tier schools (small liberal arts colleges and universities) have a solid record of getting students into top schools. Is that really a surprise? Med schools get quality students year in, year out from the top schools. Fair? Maybe not, but true. And students get into med schools without people to hold their hands throughout the process like I had. And they have truly achieved a feat. I just went to my advisor and said, "what do I do?" and they told me. That's why there's a 90% acceptance rate. They make sure you have everything done in the manner in which it needs to be...I guess that's what my parents paid $120,000 for, huh?
