Mountains - Game Thread

[Truenamer]

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Yes, and genny voted her, and is only neutral.

I'm skimming through England to see how wolf!sunny reacted because the village!sunny I played with in the past was VERY retaliatory with reads.

I mean, I voted for her and she immediately voted for me back and has generally seemed retaliatory today. Maybe it didn't stand out to you as much because it's pointed at me rather than you?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

You've been pretty solidly in the village bloc.

 

[holdthemayo]

To be clear, by "only neutral" here, I mean that past village!sunny would likely have wolf read her.

nvm. You were making a different point.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I mean, I voted for her and she immediately voted for me back and has generally seemed retaliatory today. Maybe it didn't stand out to you as much because it's pointed at me rather than you?

My suspicion is she's generally seemed more retaliatory today because she's been here more often.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Yeet Tally
Cray (2) - Vis, PSV
sunshine (1) - True
True (1) - sunshine
dolphin (2) - Zenge, shorty
PSV (1) - Cray

7/11
Cray and dolphin are in the lead!
Missing: genny, speechy, mayo, dolphin
yeet close in ~1.5 hours

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I was saying something about stoat and:
speechy: "Wait, she hasn't been posting!"
🤣

 

[holdthemayo]

I want to see what happens.

Vote speechy

 

[Crayola227]

Yeet Dolphin

Day 1 was interesting. Pushing Pleasy a lot and then voting off wagon.

Hiding her D2 vote off wagon again, and throwing mud from the cheep seats.

Not a good feeling here.

Ah, good points I assume are true.

I'm just gonna work with Zenge and Shorty on this guys. Vote where they vote and hope the 3 of us ain't wrong.

 

[speechy_keen]

Shorty is your top wolf read?

These aren't in any particular order

I typed this with my own fingers

 

[speechy_keen]

I want to see what happens.

Vote speechy

ouch

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm just gonna work with Zenge and Shorty on this guys. Vote where they vote and hope the 3 of us ain't wrong.

Interesting.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@holdthemayo I'm still confused on why you think I've been solidly in the village bloc because I felt like I've been in neutrals.

 

[Truenamer]

ouch

Wolfy defensiveness! 😮

Jokes aside, it never feels good to get voted for, but if you're village you have to learn to roll with it. We're all fumbling in the dark here.

If you're a wolf, let me know, and I'll give different advice. ☺️

 

[holdthemayo]

@holdthemayo I'm still confused on why you think I've been solidly in the village bloc because I felt like I've been in neutrals.

You've been in my POE. Seems like most people are low key village reading you and you are being overly defensive, but feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

We're all fumbling in the dark here.

We're all harpooning in the midnight ocean.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

You've been in my POE. Seems like most people are low key village reading you and you are being overly defensive, but feel free to prove me wrong.

Okay. Brb to prove you wrong.

 

[sunshinefl]

Why are Zenge and Speechy top village reads?

Why is True top wolfy?

I’ve explained true read more than anyone. It’s my husbands birthday and we’re at dinner in another country. I’m not doing it again.

Zenge because of the way we have interfaced/ or more specifically by the way we have not interfaced.

Right, so is this a lie from sunny?

I'm just seriously wondering wtf. Because I know she's very sensitive to sus, but the way she's reacting to me feels very, very off. I'm really trying to square it all with a village sunny. Because I don't want to misyeet her or really anyone at this point.

No it’s not a lie. Shorty saying something doesn’t make it gospel. So judging my statement about my sense of zenge over the long term based on shorty disagreeing is silly.

But sunny, I really wasn't trying to do anything to you. Honestly.

There was a question mark attached to a lot of what I was saying. I'm trying my best to think through the game with very limited time and knowledge about anything. I haven't read pages and pages.

Anyway, I asked the question and I'm content there wasn't much to my idea "maybe sunny NK's Paws because she suspected a PR." I mean, in hindsight this is very, very stupid. I wasn't trying.to get anyone to fall for a tinfoil that stupid. I really was asking the question. .I wasn't sure there were any PRs this game. I was spitballing why the odd NK choice and talking theory,.one reason for odd choices are suspected PRs, and then you look for anyone who might have been fishing. But we established that was all bunk. So I'm not saying you did that. It was something I thought about and asked the class...I was wrong. Just seems a weird thing to wolf read me on when you're right, I don't try to get you yeeted over BS. And I never was this game either. Sorry about the dumb questions guys.

I hear you know. I’ll reassess your standing next cycle.

My apologies for assuming that most people are not hostile by default. 😕

You used sharply defensive. Not hostile. Now you’re saying hostile. You literally don’t know me as a person and you’re saying rude things. This post, your rude post is hostile.

I'm looking back at England now and it's reminding me that the wolfiest thing sunny said (IMO) that whole game was that she didn't automatically wolf read people who sussed her, because I didn't feel that was an accurate representation of her play, and that's where I'm really hung up with this game.

I do feel like she's been more laid back and less abrasive than I'd expect from village!sunny this game, but I hate to think that's AI and don't want to consider it part of my read.

LOL half the thread saying I’m not abrasive ENOUGH to be village, the other half saying I’m TOO hostile to be village.

 

[speechy_keen]

Wolfy defensiveness! 😮

Jokes aside, it never feels good to get voted for, but if you're village you have to learn to roll with it. We're all fumbling in the dark here.

If you're a wolf, let me know, and I'll give different advice. ☺️

Well I will not be needing that advice as, you see, I am not a wolf. I am but a mere villager.

 

[supershorty]

Alright so @holdthemayo, I pulled 2 of sunny's reads lists from England, but I'm going to go look at a village game for comparison.

Spoiler

This is what I have so far. There are still so many people left it’s overwhelming to follow all the interactions.


Village leans

-Cray- usual sharp tongued / sus everyone self

-AM-usual pushy self, called out weird samac post

-Genny- usual jokey self

-Cyndia-agreeing with posts

-Bob law- seems sincere about not being in PMs, trying to hunt but noob

-Ms P- was reading her village but slightly unsure about the whole bob law PM thing





Neutral

-Shorty-Did seem off but made 1 typical full shorty analysis post

-Samac-weird rojo?, over the top oh no reaction to April

-Sporty- mostly absent but not unusual

-Doc E- was leaning village and no resistance to yeet, tied, but april wagon could have been pushed to save him though

-Finnick- passionate argument for good village play, quiet now





Wolf

-Zenge-Not much besides weird theme posts of nothing, Defending shorty, not as active as normal

-Viscernable- weird last minute unexplained vote on April

-MKG- seems flippant

-Bread- almost completely absent and not making jokes and puns, sheeped samac into April vote

Of her wolf reads here, Zenge had expressed sus of her. Vissy only said "sunny" once in the entire game and it wasn't even in a post really talking about sunny, it was in one talking about Cray. mkg was a packmate. And Bread is an easy misyeet (actually, I'd say Vis was often an easy misyeet at that point too).


This second one is from when she was going down being yeeted - there were already 9 votes on her, so it's more anti-spew than anything else.

Here’s all of my notes from my depression-induced notepad instead of the spreadsheet


Village leans

-Cray- usual sharp tongued / sus everyone self, vig out of shots

-AM-usual pushy self, called out weird samac post, But SAR and Enigma both NK’ed

-Genny- usual jokey self; last second nail in MKG coffin

-Cyndia-agreeing with posts

-Ms P- was reading her village but slightly unsure about the whole bob law PM thing

-Alley- innocence, sincere in PM

-Stagg- didn’t know SAR was dead, calling things without logic out

-Bark- opposition to sea of Samac devotees





Neutral

-Wildzoo- ??????

-Shorty/Mayo-Did seem off but made 1 typical film shorty analysis post; Mayo has been oddly serious

-Samac-weird rojo?, over the top oh no reaction to April, broke 2 ties to yeet villagers, ?Enigma PM partner/dismissive, keeps telling the wolves secrets about kills on thread

-Sporty- mostly absent but not unusual

-Doc E- was leaning village and no resistance to yeet, tied, but april wagon could have been pushed to save him though

-Finnick- passionate argument for good village play, quiet now, still mostly arguing philosophy at this point

-Capri- seems to just pop in and say something random and not much else (I don’t think I’ve ever played with her before)



Wolf

-Dina- dismissed enigma’s ability as not NK worthy, logic for why I wouldn’t be a wolf but voting me

-LIS- seems to just be tunneling me and not much else, largely absent which may be his normal but I only played 1 day with him in bioshock, and then maybe trying to pocket me when he added the zenge was exaggerating part





Cray/Doc E compatible

Doc E/Shorty incompatible

Telemarketing notes April/AM connection

April/telemarketing probably incompatible

April/Zenge compatible

Stagg/AM incompatible





DEAD:

1. April yeet day 1
2. VMH night kill 1
3. Enigma night kill 1
4. SAR night kill 1
5. Viscernable yeet day 2
6. Zenge mid day 3 vig kill
7. MKG yeet day 3
8. Bread night kill 3
9. Bob night kill 3
10. Alissa mid day 4 vig kill

 

[holdthemayo]

Okay. Brb to prove you wrong.

I'm open to it.

 

[dolphin106258]

Day 3 Yeet Tally
Cray (2) - Vis, PSV
sunshine (1) - True
True (1) - sunshine
dolphin (2) - Zenge, shorty
PSV (1) - Cray

7/11
Cray and dolphin are in the lead!
Missing: genny, speechy, mayo, dolphin
yeet close in ~1.5 hours

No one knows this in here that’s left really, maybe genny but Dubz and paws knew.. I love making three way ties I’m so so tempted, I think I’ll refrain because probably most people won’t like it but that’s more exciting and since I most likely won’t be on for close.. stupid work.

 

[supershorty]

Alright so @holdthemayo, I pulled 2 of sunny's reads lists from England, but I'm going to go look at a village game for comparison.

Spoiler

Of her wolf reads here, Zenge had expressed sus of her. Vissy only said "sunny" once in the entire game and it wasn't even in a post really talking about sunny, it was in one talking about Cray. mkg was a packmate. And Bread is an easy misyeet (actually, I'd say Vis was often an easy misyeet at that point too).


This second one is from when she was going down being yeeted - there were already 9 votes on her, so it's more anti-spew than anything else.

I didn't do a tl;dr because I really didn't write that much, but I don't think there's as much retaliatory reading in here as I've seen her do when village.

 

[supershorty]

No one knows this in here that’s left really, maybe genny but Dubz and paws knew.. I love making three way ties I’m so so tempted, I think I’ll refrain because probably most people won’t like it but that’s more exciting and since I most likely won’t be on for close.. stupid work.

Why?

 

[dolphin106258]

Why?

They’re more exciting and I am usually doing it for lulz. There have been a few times it’s helped get a wolf in the chaos of it. But I need to be very present in the thread for that to work, and like I said I won’t be on at close most likely.

 

[Crayola227]

#### unvote PSV ####

Just gonna sheep Zenge and Shorty. Doubt the goons can kill both tonight so hopefully not putting too much pressure on them.

Setting my alarm so I can come in and be sure to vote who their voting before deadline.

#### vote dolphin ####

Last I checked they were there. Really hope they're not wolves I'm sheeping here but willing to lose to those 2 any day of the week. It's losing to AM or samac that makes me really salty.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Aight. @holdthemayo

Spoiler: Quotes sussing me

cray>dolphin=shorty>bark=dubz=mayo=paws=true=visc>speechy>PSV

Trail mix that may contain nuts:
PSV, sunny, Paws, pleasy

And that doesn't make me feel better about PSV.

yeet PSV

Neutrals:
genny
sunny
speechy
PSV

I’m simultaneously bothered by what I kinda agree with Zenge about mayo sitting on Z’s vote as a way to get out of posting any real reads, and by PSV being so bothered by mayo’s vote while we were still in RVS, there wasn’t any indication he was going to sit there to vote close, and there were other votes made off less reasoning. Idk.

Looking back this is sketchy to me how PSV went from a hedgy read on please that says she could be village to yeeting her and saying she was the most sketchy at the time (while sheeping the reason). Extra interesting because she didn't interact with please much in between and mostly just pushed me during that time

See my response to PSV

Because I'm uncomfortable with some things about her d1 play and also don't fully believe she'd be above killing paws for sussing her, but overall feel like she's not playing the same as she did last game.

So on a macro read level, she's village, but on a micro level, there are some things bothering me that keep me from moving her more green.

No, I just don't have the same misgivings from the rest of his play that I have from PSV's

I'm trying to reconcile my feelings on being concerned about PSV, but both of my village reads, who have played with her much more than I have, seem to be pretty confident that she's village, and then juxtaposing that with the thought that Dubz had expressed a few concerns there and died.

I don't like to use NKA because there's way too much WIFOM in it, but that thought is stuck in my head a little right now.

I’m seeing like a true, cray, PSV pack emerging.

I think my POE right now is sunny, PSV

PSV is starting to bother me. Not reading backwards it turns out. I felt good on PSV because didn't sound like last wolf game. But so what? You live you you learn you wolf you get yeeted you learn.

Eh, yes, agreed. The case is not compelling.

In my paranoia of both you and PSV, gotta say still much more worried about PSV. Moving along now lol

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Aight. @holdthemayo

...ignore the image.

 

[Viscernable]

@Crayola227 what did you mean by being worried about a sunny or mayo yeet would be wrong if there was no movement?

 

[supershorty]

#### unvote PSV ####

Just gonna sheep Zenge and Shorty. Doubt the goons can kill both tonight so hopefully not putting too much pressure on them.

Setting my alarm so I can come in and be sure to vote who their voting before deadline.

#### vote dolphin ####

Last I checked they were there. Really hope they're not wolves I'm sheeping here but willing to lose to those 2 any day of the week. It's losing to AM or samac that makes me really salty.

Cray, you're scaring me a little.

 

[Viscernable]

...ignore the image.

It feels appropriate

 

[holdthemayo]

No one knows this in here that’s left really, maybe genny but Dubz and paws knew.. I love making three way ties I’m so so tempted, I think I’ll refrain because probably most people won’t like it but that’s more exciting and since I most likely won’t be on for close.. stupid work.

I like ties... but KD might tell you I'm a bad role model.

 

[holdthemayo]

Aight. @holdthemayo

I see a lot of dead players... that actually doesn't help your cause much

 

[Truenamer]

I feel like holstering your vote at this point, with only an hour before yeet close, is kind of anti-village.

Is that feeling wrong?

 

[holdthemayo]

...ignore the image.

That was my favorite part

 

[supershorty]

Aight. @holdthemayo

Why do you consider a post where I had you in neutrals as sussing you?

 

[holdthemayo]

#### unvote PSV ####

Just gonna sheep Zenge and Shorty. Doubt the goons can kill both tonight so hopefully not putting too much pressure on them.

Setting my alarm so I can come in and be sure to vote who their voting before deadline.

#### vote dolphin ####

Last I checked they were there. Really hope they're not wolves I'm sheeping here but willing to lose to those 2 any day of the week. It's losing to AM or samac that makes me really salty.

I don't hate the vote, but the logic seems... un-cray?

Especially with you being currently tied.

I need to think.

 

[speechy_keen]

It feels appropriate

Me: "did you not mean to post that image?"
PSV: "no. i put that in my role PM"

I found this incredibly hilarious

 

[potentialsheltervet]

It feels appropriate

I had made a meme in my role PM and forgot when you paste images SDN adds them as an attachment too 🙃

 

[holdthemayo]

Me: "did you not mean to post that image?"
PSV: "no. i put that in my role PM"

I found this incredibly hilarious

Is that Latin for wolf chat?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Why do you consider a post where I had you in neutrals as sussing you?

I don't. mayo said I was widely in village reads and I countered I was more in neutrals (or wolf-read) so I compiled all posts that had me either neutral or wolfy.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Is that Latin for wolf chat?

It's Latin for "bothering AM with my memes and telling kaydubs my life story"

 

[holdthemayo]

How does genny have fewer posts than the D1 kill?

 

[supershorty]

I didn't find a reads *list*, specifically, in GGoats, but sunny wolf read the people voting for her (who were all village).

She also was super retaliatory in CYO II when anyone scum read her. As an example:

HERE YOU GO. A READ STRONGER THAN A LEAN.

3. @vetschoolsletmeinplease SCUM

Echoing; yeet voting out of her sus order to pick off town (I wasn’t a real possibility yesterday but now that she picked off chaos she can focus on me with the momentum there today); threw a bunch of shade on me over zenge when she herself said he wasn’t making sense his last day of life (which is actually when he made the most sense), logic is devolving badly now that I’m shining the spotlight on her

 

[Truenamer]

It's Latin for "bothering AM with my memes and telling kaydubs my life story"

I do love a captive audience

 

[supershorty]

Unyeet dolphin
Yeet sunny

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I didn't find a reads *list*, specifically, in GGoats, but sunny wolf read the people voting for her (who were all village).

She also was super retaliatory in CYO II when anyone scum read her. As an example:

Do you think her being less reactive here is wolf-leaning AI or due to other events?

 

[Truenamer]

How does genny have fewer posts than the D1 kill?

I've been told time and again that this is NAI for her.

Meanwhile she sailed to a victory in StardeWW because no one could get a read on her because there were never any statements to analyze. 😕

She could easily be village this game, it's just a little frustrating that a proven winning strategy is "don't engage with the game at all, and then have people defend you for not engaging with the game because it's normal for you."

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Yeet Tally
Cray (2) - Vis, PSV
sunshine (2) - True, shorty
True (1) - sunshine
dolphin (2) - Zenge, Cray
PSV () -
speechy (1) - mayo

8/11
Cray, dolphin, and @sunshinefl are in the lead!
Missing: genny, speechy, dolphin
yeet close in ~56 minutes

 

[Zenge142]

More zenge than shorty. I have an atrocious record of reading zenge.

I don’t think that’s true.

 

[supershorty]

I didn't find a reads *list*, specifically, in GGoats, but sunny wolf read the people voting for her (who were all village).

How are you reading your wagon outside of Zenge?

Barks: wolf
Zenge: wolf
shorty: aggressive, defending fiance
WZ: aligning with barks and z for some reason