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dolphin106258 said:
Okay. IF that’s a big if, read the comments in the thread and follow it with timing and everything I made those comments with plenty of time in the day left before voting was over, and I had never played with pleasy before they had responded to my comments on the second quote you pulled and so overall my read was eh like I felt okay, so I didn’t vote there, and then guess what voting rolled around to the end and I DIDNT vote there. I didn’t know enough about their play or feel fully confident to be like hey don’t all vote for pleasy, but I did feel enough to not want to vote there myself and felt stronger about PSV at the time. It was D1, I don’t know what else you want me to say. I don’t think any of my comments rise to the level of what you’re referring to.
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Keeping in mind my limited experience, this defense feels genuine so I am not suspicious of dolphin. Perhaps she is just great at acting but I believe her.
 
Day 3 Yeet Tally
Cray (1) - Vis
sunshine (2) - True, PSV
True (1) - sunshine
dolphin (2) - Zenge, shorty

6/11
yeet close in ~3.5 hours
 
speechy_keen said:
I think this honesty is a noble village trait
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potentialsheltervet said:
Are you village reading anyone other than me?
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speechy_keen said:
Keeping in mind my limited experience, this defense feels genuine so I am not suspicious of dolphin. Perhaps she is just great at acting but I believe her.
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I'm actually less interested in this because I feel like she's done these kind of pop-in posts primarily to village read people, and I'm much more interested in who she's wolf reading and why.
 
speechy_keen said:
As a villager, wouldn't you want to defend other people you think might also be village?
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No, because the only affiliation you know for certain is your own. Everyone will lightly defend a strong village read here and there - it happens - but a pattern of heavily defending people feels more like wolfy white knighting. Zenge made some good points about this in an earlier post.
 
supershorty said:
pop-in posts
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Can someone give me a condensed history of Stagg? Because @supershorty talked about last game having Stagg-type bussing but I don't know who Stagg is.
 
supershorty said:
Yes, and in making the comment, you didn't actually contribute anything to the conversation. It looks like saying something just to say something.

I'm not going to get into a semantics argument, but the use of "dialed in" when to me, that implies people were locked in on it (which wasn't reflected in the votes at all) and then a total lack of actual contribution in the post was not something that felt very good on reread. You could have brought up other people you wanted to discuss if you didn't think there was a point in continuing the Vis/Barky conversation. There are a lot of things you could have done there instead that would have helped with game solving, and you didn't do any of them.
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Okay if you aren’t going to get into a semantics argument then don’t just because dialed in feels differently to you doesn’t mean that was the way it was intended. You’re only saying that so I don’t come in and try and explain my intent again. I’m sorry I didn’t contribute in a way you see fit. I think when I’ve been here I’ve tried my best to contribute. I’ve stayed above the posting minimum to my knowledge. And maybe just play the game differently. I was about to place a vote but I honestly don’t even remember the tally so I should probably do that first.
 
dolphin106258 said:
Okay if you aren’t going to get into a semantics argument then don’t just because dialed in feels differently to you doesn’t mean that was the way it was intended. You’re only saying that so I don’t come in and try and explain my intent again. I’m sorry I didn’t contribute in a way you see fit. I think when I’ve been here I’ve tried my best to contribute. I’ve stayed above the posting minimum to my knowledge. And maybe just play the game differently. I was about to place a vote but I honestly don’t even remember the tally so I should probably do that first.
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What?
 
dolphin106258 said:
Yours saying don’t get into a semantics argument but that’s only causing me to want to go back and explain the intent behind why I said dialed in and what it meant.
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I'm saying I don't want to get into a semantics argument because last game, I argued about semantics with someone very intensely and it was both pointless and only upset everyone involved.
 
Viscernable said:
Do you feel this list was an attempt to shade you/others on the list for not being dead?
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It made little sense overall. I'm not sure why a villager is making kill lists, but the names also were weird. True has felt different from last game, but the post was weird in multiple ways.

Viscernable said:
Do you see no other possibilities?
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I didn't say there were only two. WIFOM is usually not helpful, but the two I'm thinking of are the two most likely.
 
Crayola227 said:
Dude you seriously need to just chill out

I was just trying to think through scenarios and explore notable on thread interactions between peeps, and with Paws who was an odd kill choice, and I have a child who I'm pretty sure is sucking out my brain cells through the straws that are my nipples. Seriously dint know what it is about new parenting that I can feel the brain cells dying, so I am following things even less well than usual. People who played last game can vouch that village mom cray does play extra sloppy these days. Sure you could argue I'm a wolf, I'm just saying this may not be the best clue for my Aff, essentially it's NAI I Don't remember what mountainous means. And not gonna Google it. And ppl have told me and not gonna remember it.

I can offer my thoughts and thy might be useless and that's it.
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Crayola227 said:
Sunny I didn't really go after you, but the way you seem to want to latch onto my vote about it does feel really blown out of proportion, especially when I'm not married to the idea (how could I be? I dint know snyones aff).

When I'm a wolf and I fake go after someone for a misyeet, I don't have to back off, offer or take an olive branch, give benefit of the doubt, I know what they are, thar I'm gonna alienate and piss them off sussing them and trying to misyeet them. Better to just commit to those reads.

But when I village, and I throw sus, it's interesting to see who gets the most upset about it and worked up. And even more telling, for the reasons I said above, who is willing to take the olive branch of, hey, I might be wrong, what so u want to do about it? Hunt for wolves?

Villagers are trying to find villagers. They're reevaluating reads. They're usually willing to reconsider someone if they seem like they want to work with you.

I've caught several wolves, not just because they threw sus my way and voted me, but specifically because they had ZERO interest in the olive branch. Paws in the FTF game perfect example.

I actually don't care if you yeet me. I welcome it. I hope that the villagers going after my yeet can come across more reasonable, and I hope the wolves are revealed for the way they go about it.

So which is it going to be, Sunny? I know I'm village. Are you village and interested in working with me to find wolves? Or are you just more interested in a misyeet? I guess we'll see.
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Crayola227 said:
I also have caught wolves by coming onto thread saying dumb stuff, like stuff like tinfoil based on wrong info, like about PRs in a mountainous game, and I don't say dumb wrong stuff on purpose knowing that, but when village I don't bother to avoid doing it and looking bad. Because it is an easy cheap opening for wolves.

I caught Pip that way one game.

Now,, I fully admit wolf Cray will say dumb stuff too. Because vill Cray will. And villagers will overlook the dumb stuff as dumb stuff, and realize it's NAI for me because I always do it.

But when I'm village and there's wolves, the wolves eat that stuff up because they have to invent that someone is wolfy and they need justification.

Failing to recognize my dumb stuff is NAI, and instead trying to yeet me for it, has been quite telling for the Aff of other players.
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Crayola227 said:
Eh wanna answer this a little.

If you really think someone is village, and you wonder why they wolves don't bother to NK, there are two reasons and neither is really helpful but still worth thinking through both ways.

One is that the person is acting as a village leader and they are totally wrong about their reads In a way favorable to the wolves and wolves have infiltrated village bloc with them.

The other is maybe less common, but the person's reads are *too* good, and wolves are afraid if that person is NK, the village will put even more stock into their correct reads. Not killing the person can sometimes allow the wolves to try instead to deal with the issue some other way they hope will be more effective and less likely to backfire.
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If I read this correctly, I'm pretty sure you made that case that you are village, you are wolf, and you are pretty damn tired.
 
Crayola227 said:
Perhaps this is the answer?
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That's my reason for dolphin. For true, I think it's because all the posts I've seen from him have been pretty non-confrontational and he seems, for lack of a better term, nice. I'm more suspicious of people who are a little more aggressive in their posts. I'm going to make a separate posts explaining who to answer shorty's question!
 
Crayola227 said:
Given Me feels but will have to try to explain why later. Must sleep for child
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PSV is starting to bother me. Not reading backwards it turns out. I felt good on PSV because didn't sound like last wolf game. But so what? You live you you learn you wolf you get yeeted you learn.

I would otherwise want to vote Sunny today but I can't bring myself to vote with PSV, my gut on some of PSV's posts is that bad.

Was weird saying True would want to being Dubz go end game if wolf to lord it over...really? Is True really that ballsy? Does PSV know wolf True really that well? Or is this some BS?

The wording about Vis also gave me bad bad feels.

Very worried about a PSV and Vis pack and wonder the compatibility there.

Also could vote with Zenge and Shorty, but not sure I want to trust them that much.

Not familiar enough with Dolph to read as wolf
 
speechy_keen said:
That's my reason for dolphin. For true, I think it's because all the posts I've seen from him have been pretty non-confrontational and he seems, for lack of a better term, nice. I'm more suspicious of people who are a little more aggressive in their posts. I'm going to make a separate posts explaining who to answer shorty's question!
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Explain your reasoning here please.
 
Crayola227 said:
PSV is starting to bother me. Not reading backwards it turns out. I felt good on PSV because didn't sound like last wolf game. But so what? You live you you learn you wolf you get yeeted you learn.

I would otherwise want to vote Sunny today but I can't bring myself to vote with PSV, my gut on some of PSV's posts is that bad.

Was weird saying True would want to being Dubz go end game if wolf to lord it over...really? Is True really that ballsy? Does PSV know wolf True really that well? Or is this some BS?

The wording about Vis also gave me bad bad feels.

Very worried about a PSV and Vis pack and wonder the compatibility there.

Also could vote with Zenge and Shorty, but not sure I want to trust them that much.

Not familiar enough with Dolph to read as wolf
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@Crayola227 I know you're going backwards so I'm not sure when you'll get to a post where I'd asked you, but have you played with dolphin much before? Is there any meta you remember?
 
supershorty said:
See the part at the bottom. And then I was too busy yesterday to get around to it.

I’m growing concerned, actually. One of my posts yesterday was a bit of a reaction test specifically for her, and I didn’t like how she responded to it (when I made a comment about True’s remark feeling tingly and she leaped to defend him). One of the things she did a lot in the last game was defending other people, and I was already a little uneasy with how much she was doing that with her sister, but seeing her do it with True too made me uncomfortable. The 2 of them have been almost lockstep liking my posts, and while I feel pretty good about my True village lean, I’m not feeling very comfy with her doing it too.

@Zenge142 I’m still waiting for an answer to how you’re reading her. And @Truenamer, you seem really confident that she’s village, but can you explain what comments in this game have made you feel that way?
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Glad I saw this. I am willing to vote PSV today

In fact

****vote PSV****

Go with my gut. Kid is waking up now so no idea if I will be able to play more or not before night. Just how it works with a kid this bitty. Every minute is a great unknown. What a blessing.
 
holdthemayo said:
I think your memory is better than mine. Do you mean sunny's play compared to England?
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Yes - I didn't interact with her much at all in that game before I had to sub out, and I don't remember how she reacted to people wolf reading her in that game. I could go look now though, but I wanted the opinion of someone who's more confident reading her.
 
supershorty said:
@Crayola227 I know you're going backwards so I'm not sure when you'll get to a post where I'd asked you, but have you played with dolphin much before? Is there any meta you remember?
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Not any I can put into words, it's been too long. Dolph just feels like Dolph. I'd like to think I'd catch if too wolfy, but really I don't know if I would, if my instincts are that good.
 
supershorty said:
Well.

This is a lot weaker than I was hoping for, tbh. Particularly this last line. So… you think that because I’ve randed village a lot … that I might be wolfing? That’s basically a nonargument.

And this is obviously WIFOM, but indecision on my votes does not fit how I wolf. You can go look at HZD or my more recent wolf game on MU if you want meta references. And I’m not a dickwolf, thank you very much.

I find it interesting that you bring this up only after I mentioned beginning to become concerned about you.
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Eh, yes, agreed. The case is not compelling.

In my paranoia of both you and PSV, gotta say still much more worried about PSV. Moving along now lol
 
Zenge142 said:
Yeet Dolphin

Day 1 was interesting. Pushing Pleasy a lot and then voting off wagon.

Hiding her D2 vote off wagon again, and throwing mud from the cheep seats.

Not a good feeling here.
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Zenge142 said:
Who's Pete?

Look, I said I was going to look at you harder, not snap vote you.

Here's the thing, I feel like you do this a fair amount and it's probably because you're still new, but you defend other people way more than you should.

Look at it from my perspective: I'm looking at Dolphin's posts, there's things about them that stand out to me, I decide to start pushing and see where it goes, and then suddenly there's you, pushing back.

There are only a few certainties in this game, and, if you are village, you knowing that Dolphin isn't a wolf, isn't one of them.

So you've got to admit. If Dolphin does flip wolf, you coming to her defense, when I started this push, isn't going to make me feel better about you.
Frankly even if she flips village, I'll still be left with this nagging notion that maybe you came to her defense because you, as a wolf, knew she was village, and defended her so you could say "I told you so" later, and use it to build a case for pushing me.

It's fine and normal to defend village reads, I do it too, everyone does it. But sometimes you fight harder than maybe you should, in a way that feels like an attempt to shut down discussion. To put it more bluntly, in a way that feels anti-village. Like, okay, maybe I'm wrong, but let us duke it out and see where it goes, because, again, if you're village, the only thing you should know, for absolute certain, is that you're village. Everyone else should always be a potential question mark.

So you should at least acknowledge the reality, that regardless of Dolphin's flip, but especially if she flips wolf, village should have reservations and questions about how you seemed to defend her here.
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These are the first !village Zenge posts I've seen this game. Liking it
 
sunshinefl said:
I didn’t drum a parade and through a campaign against you, I planted my flag down with a vote that wasn’t naked and then got 1003783929 questions/comments/concerns I had to keep responding to. People were making me defend the stance. Ironic that you say “no idea why ... seems to be trying so hard to stoke sus of me” when that was my whole point to your essays based on me.

Nah. I’m village. And you aren’t going to threaten me into un-wolf reading you.

I actually feel I can read zenge better than both most people can and than most people credit me for.

Mayo I can’t always read as well. But he is right that he will normally be inherently protective of me but wasn’t seeing enough village from me which I thought seemed genuine.

Because one of the evolution of my read on true and how he has been interfacing with me. He had largely been agreeing with me, voted with me, liking my posts, to the point I thought he was pocketing me and I moved him from mixed into wolf zone. Then suddenly after that I’m at the wolfiest end of his world and now he’s voting for me. That’s why I said very interesting.


Okay so since I am in fact village, you better make sure another village death is worth “clarifying” your other reads aka it better be to lock in the 3 wolves.

1. Mayo, see above. His concern of me seemed sincere. And even though he’s #3 on my list, there would be a space if I made spaces. It’s not a strong village read. It’s just that when ranking order listing people against each other, no one besides zenge (and myself) was able to surpass him in villageness.

2. Genny was kind of the leftover. The list was physically built by copying and pasting the names and started with me as village at top, cray as wolf at bottom, and Genny as neutral in the middle. I had not ordered everyone until then and went by my overall impression as I ranked people in. There wasn’t a mathematical formula. Genny is not a village read for me but is in the middle which is neutral. And though she voted for me that’s not unusual for her. I used to be pretty good at reading Genny but between her not be on much and me not being on much the first 2 game days, I wasn’t ever able to form a read on her.
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I'd still like to hear more about why you think I'm a wolf. Especially since the #1 reason you gave was supposedly I was trying hard to make a case on you and misyeet you. I KNOW that isn't true, I frequently post thoughts on thread to explore theories, doesnt always mean I believe them but I like input (like looking at Paws' death and looking for on thread clues who might be behind it).

So given that I know you're wrong that I'm trying to misyeet you (assuming you're village), I'd like to know what else you find about my play particularly wolfy.
 
Crayola227 said:
Was weird saying True would want to being Dubz go end game if wolf to lord it over...really? Is True really that ballsy? Does PSV know wolf True really that well? Or is this some BS?
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You wouldn't know because you didn't play it, but Dubz and true both died early in BoWWling and bonded in deadchat. Then later on in StardeWW Dubz wound up being a wolf and true felt betrayed. So my teasing there was more that, if true were wolfing, he'd keep Dubz alive as long as she was village reading him. He wouldn't kill her N2.
Also, the fact that you would vote sunny but you dislike my play so much that you don't want to vote with me is making me seriously scratch my head.
And you don't trust zenge and shorty that much, but you trust them enough to trust shorty's read of me?
 
Crayola227 said:
I'd still like to hear more about why you think I'm a wolf. Especially since the #1 reason you gave was supposedly I was trying hard to make a case on you and misyeet you. I KNOW that isn't true, I frequently post thoughts on thread to explore theories, doesnt always mean I believe them but I like input (like looking at Paws' death and looking for on thread clues who might be behind it).

So given that I know you're wrong that I'm trying to misyeet you (assuming you're village), I'd like to know what else you find about my play particularly wolfy.
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That’s it. Again, because for YOU to do that to ME was really unusual if V/V and I’m V.
 
supershorty said:
Lol what? Most games you wolf read him no matter what and then are triumphant if you happen to be right. I wouldn’t call that “reading him better than most people can” :laugh:
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Right, so is this a lie from sunny?

I'm just seriously wondering wtf. Because I know she's very sensitive to sus, but the way she's reacting to me feels very, very off. I'm really trying to square it all with a village sunny. Because I don't want to misyeet her or really anyone at this point.
 
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