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Dead is @vetschoolsletmeinplease Lion, vanilla townie

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Roster
1. @genny
2. @speechy_keen
3. @potentialsheltervet
4. @Crayola227
5. @holdthemayo
6. @Viscernable
7. @WildZoo
8. @Zenge142
10. @Barkley13
11. @JustPaws
12. @sunshinefl
13. @Truenamer
14. @dolphin106258
15. @supershorty
 
I'm most interested in Barky, Dubz, and Vis today, but I really doubt that all 3 mafia just piled onto the please wagon, so likely someone is in the wrong category in my reads right now.

Village leans:
Cray
True
dolphin

Zenge

Neutrals:
genny
sunny
speechy
PSV

POE:
mayo
Vis
Dubz
Barky
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Although I suppose Dubz can shuffle into my village leans because I absolutely do not see her being okay with killing someone who hadn't played in forever.
Circling back to wanting to yeet Barks today but I'm holding my vote for now because maj.
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Why are you interested in Barks?
 
Gonna echo that Paws was an odd choice, there was even a chance I was going to keep pushing her today. But picking an odd choice was probably the point, so I won't belabor it.

I agree with shorty on two key points:

1. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a wolf on Please.
2. I'd be shocked if all three of them were on her wagon.

A bit of dangerous circular logic, but shorty starting the Please wagon and then feeling bad about it and moving off feels very village to me.
 
supershorty said:
Why are you interested in Barks?
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Same reasons as from yesterday. I'm not holding forgetting Bioshock against her because admittedly I probably don't remember most of what happened in games I played a couple months ago and Bioshock was almost a year ago. However, I don't like the progression of her pleasy thoughts. Her phrasing on the whole tone thing is still bugging me. I'm not fully committed to the read, especially since I was like 99% sure pleasy was scum and I was clearly wrong.
 
supershorty said:
I'm most interested in Barky, Dubz, and Vis today, but I really doubt that all 3 mafia just piled onto the please wagon, so likely someone is in the wrong category in my reads right now.

Village leans:
Cray
True
dolphin

Zenge

Neutrals:
genny
sunny
speechy
PSV

POE:
mayo
Vis
Dubz
Barky
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I am in the wrong category
I still don't really understand why you're so suspicious of me.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Although I suppose Dubz can shuffle into my village leans because I absolutely do not see her being okay with killing someone who hadn't played in forever.
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Hmm, I do agree with this to some extent. I'll have to think about it.
 
WildZoo said:
I am in the wrong category
I still don't really understand why you're so suspicious of me.
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I'm actually surprised that it bothers you because with the exception of LiterWWary, where I was wildly oscillating on my read of you (which made sense after the fact), I can't think of the last time that I wasn't suspicious of you in early game.
 
Truenamer said:
Gonna echo that Paws was an odd choice, there was even a chance I was going to keep pushing her today. But picking an odd choice was probably the point, so I won't belabor it.

I agree with shorty on two key points:

1. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a wolf on Please.
2. I'd be shocked if all three of them were on her wagon.

A bit of dangerous circular logic, but shorty starting the Please wagon and then feeling bad about it and moving off feels very village to me.
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I agree. It feels a bit conspicuous for a wolf!shorty to trash a reading card d1 rather than using her usual good read of please to start forming a village bloc around her. And the nerves about the wagon formation felt genuine.
 
Truenamer said:
1. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a wolf on Please.
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Wolf Chat RN: Prepare to be shocked then, lol.

Seriously though, while I think it's obviously a possibility there's a wolf on the Pleasy wagon, it's possible it's made entirely of villagers and wolves intentionally hid off wagon.

I just think village should caution against getting tunnel vision about the please wagon.
 
supershorty said:
I'm actually surprised that it bothers you because with the exception of LiterWWary, where I was wildly oscillating on my read of you (which made sense after the fact), I can't think of the last time that I wasn't suspicious of you in early game.
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It only bothers me because I don't understand it lol I got why you were suspicious of me in Casino, almost everyone was and I was playing like a crazy person. My memory of your early suspicions of me doesn't go further back than that, with the exception of CYO 2.
 
Zenge142 said:
Wolf Chat RN: Prepare to be shocked then, lol.

Seriously though, while I think it's obviously a possibility there's a wolf on the Pleasy wagon, it's possible it's made entirely of villagers and wolves intentionally hid off wagon.

I just think village should caution against getting tunnel vision about the please wagon.
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It's very possible, but like I said last night, what spooked me most about the wagon was how people were happy to just blindly sheep me on my read. It started feeling to me like it was going to be a "follow shorty, she has a reading card!" justification followed by turning around and yeeting me for it today when I was wrong.

Sure, it could be an all-village wagon, but it didn't build in a way that felt all village.
 
Zenge142 said:
Noted.

Also why are Cray, True, and Dolphin your strongest village reads?
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Why did you exaggerate the spacing? Frankly, I'm shook by the fact that it's D2 and I'm not having a panic attack about you on schedule.

Cray's catch ups have felt in line with her village meta to me.
I talked about it yesterday, but I feel a distinct difference from True from last game to this game. I know last game he had IRL stuff going on, but tonally he's very different in how he's approaching people, and it's something that I've come to associate with village!True moreso than with wolf!True.

dolphin had some posts yesterday that I felt were decent village analysis, although they had a few posts where I didn't quite follow their logic (mainly in how people were ending up in different groups), but not in a way that felt anti-village.
 
Okay, well, now I don't have to feel weird about not having my regularly scheduled D2 Zenge freakout because I'm going around in circles trying to decide how I feel about him just coming on the thread to basically just neg what's been said without adding any real content of his own.
 
WildZoo said:
Maybe genny but that's almost entirely because I liked her reads list categories :laugh:
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genny definitely gets village points for style

Also, I'm going to maintain that I have a good feel for PSV and she doesn't feel wolfy this game. The things she focuses on, her phrasing, the way she responds to pushes are all different when she's a wolf.

And I definitely hear your point, @Zenge142, but it feels like looking at the reasoning of the people on the Please yeet is a good place to start, at bare minimum.
 
@supershorty Why is Vis one of the main players in your POE? I feel like we haven't seen much from her. I thought her response to the pleasy sus was quite suspicious in jumping on the tone thing, but I'm not really one to talk about that I suppose.
(Granted, I've only played with Vis once and we were wolfing together.)
 
Truenamer said:
Gonna echo that Paws was an odd choice, there was even a chance I was going to keep pushing her today. But picking an odd choice was probably the point, so I won't belabor it.

I agree with shorty on two key points:

1. I'd be shocked if there wasn't a wolf on Please.
2. I'd be shocked if all three of them were on her wagon.

A bit of dangerous circular logic, but shorty starting the Please wagon and then feeling bad about it and moving off feels very village to me.
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I have the opposite reaction.
 
supershorty said:
Okay, well, now I don't have to feel weird about not having my regularly scheduled D2 Zenge freakout because I'm going around in circles trying to decide how I feel about him just coming on the thread to basically just neg what's been said without adding any real content of his own.
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I'm pretty sure this is normal for shorty and Zenge regardless of affiliation, but could folks who've played with them more confirm or deny that for me?

Ideally at least four of you 😀
 
potentialsheltervet said:
@supershorty Why is Vis one of the main players in your POE? I feel like we haven't seen much from her. I thought her response to the pleasy sus was quite suspicious in jumping on the tone thing, but I'm not really one to talk about that I suppose.
(Granted, I've only played with Vis once and we were wolfing together.)
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I will come back to this when I’m back on my computer.
 
Truenamer said:
Just, like, "yes, shorty has been suspicious of / anxious about Zenge even when they're v/v"
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Happens on D2 like clockwork :laugh: don't trust my D2 feels on Zenge because it's literally always panic.
I think the most recent time was WWedding, where I started getting antsy right before N1 closed (and then he was the NK that night), but it's happened in many games.

AM has a theory that I panic because there has, with one exception that was an atypical game, NEVER been a game where Zenge and I were both still alive D3, and so she thinks I freak out because I know what's coming.
 
supershorty said:
I'm most interested in Barky, Dubz, and Vis today, but I really doubt that all 3 mafia just piled onto the please wagon, so likely someone is in the wrong category in my reads right now.

Village leans:
Cray
True
dolphin

Zenge

Neutrals:
genny
sunny
speechy
PSV

POE:
mayo
Vis
Dubz
Barky
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Have you said why dubz? And why is Mayo also in your POE?
Truenamer said:
But picking an odd choice was probably the point, so I won't belabor it.
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What do you mean by this?
 
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