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Barkley13 said:
Have you said why dubz?
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Tonally, she hasn't felt right to me, and I didn't like how she sheeped my please read and then had no more thoughts on the wagon that formed afterward when I asked about it last night. I've felt like her content was lower than I would have expected. But that being said, I do agree with the point that PSV made about the NK, so I think I've moved her into neutrals for the moment.
Barkley13 said:
And why is Mayo also in your POE?
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mayo's contributions have been extremely minimal, and I didn't like the Zenge vote - not for the reasoning that people might expect, which is that I think a D1 vote of one the people the whole game is for is kind of dumb (which I do), but because it seemed like an easy way to park a vote somewhere that wasn't going to go anywhere and just sit there for the whole day. I'll have to go back and look at Stickmin, but IIRC, when he pulled that stunt last year and was village, he actually PUSHED the person he was sitting on, whereas yesterday he just threw a lazy vote down, didn't back it up with anything, and other than a few posts about PSV, his content has been almost nil.
 
supershorty said:
other than a few posts about PSV, his content has been almost nil.
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And I'm not personally a fan of the posts he's made about me 😆.Even though he was present in thread for a bit, all he did was respond to a few posts from me and those weren't even relevant to this game. Aside from him having icky feelings about me, I have no idea what he's feeling.
 
Is it crazy to tinfoil AM might've intentionally put zenge and shorty on opposite affiliations? I'm certainly not going to base votes off this idea but I wonder.
 
supershorty said:
How do you feel about PSV's point that she made earlier when it comes to the NK choice?
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I agree that making a kill like that is not something Dubz would choose to do. But, Dubz knows that, and is smart. In this scenario she's also one of three wolves, who could have felt strongly that killing Paws made sense for some reason.

I guess I want to be clear that I don't have a strong bad feeling about her, I just feel less-great than I usually do (including the game she was actually a wolf!). She's in the lower neutral to upper sus range.

Barkley13 said:
What do you mean by this?
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They might have chosen someone to kill who didn't make a ton of sense from a straightforward "who's being village-read" perspective out of the hopes it would lead to unhelpful discussion or WIFOM*.

potentialsheltervet said:
Is it crazy to tinfoil AM might've intentionally put zenge and shorty on opposite affiliations? I'm certainly not going to base votes off this idea but I wonder.
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My understanding is that AM is extremely by-the-books with this kinda thing, I'd imagine the affiliations were given out truly randomly.


*Wine In Front Of Me. A phrase from The Princess Bride which was a part of a scene centered around endlessly circular logic that couldn't possible lead to a clear conclusion.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Is it crazy to tinfoil AM might've intentionally put zenge and shorty on opposite affiliations? I'm certainly not going to base votes off this idea but I wonder.
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No, I believe RNG is sacred to her.

Also, as I mentioned before I think, Zenge and I will not be playing together at champs in any situation. He is my backup in case I have to sub out.
 
Won't be able to do anything robust at work right now (they're unfortunately getting their money's worth today) but:

Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
True (1) - Paws
dolphin () -
Zenge (1) - mayo
please (5) - dubz, Vis, Barks, PSV, speechy
Paws (2) - True, sunshine
PSV (2) - please, dolphin
Barks (3) - Cray, Zenge, shorty
sunshine (1) - genny
 
Post sent before I could add comments, awesome -_-

Main thoughts:
1. Sunshine jumping on Paws relatively last minute only to then NK her feels... not terribly likely? But WIFOM
2. The position of Vis and Barks on Pleasey makes me feel like they should be the centers of attention at the moment.
3. I agree with shorty that there were likely wolves on 'safe' votes like Zenge; they may have even been a part of the counter-wagons on PSV/Barks, depending on their affiliation.
 
Truenamer said:
Post sent before I could add comments, awesome -_-

Main thoughts:
1. Sunshine jumping on Paws relatively last minute only to then NK her feels... not terribly likely? But WIFOM
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Do keep in mind that it wasn't really last minute, she just didn't format her vote correctly initially.

I do think she feels like village!sunny to me right now, with the caveat that I've barely played with wolf!sunny, and I'm not particularly good at reading her in general.
 
speechy_keen said:
What is "hm"?
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I’m wavering between “this feels overly long and unnecessarily white-knighting” and “probably just NAI explaining how she feels about it from the perspective of knowing her sister well”
Zenge142 said:
Wolf Chat RN: Prepare to be shocked then, lol.

Seriously though, while I think it's obviously a possibility there's a wolf on the Pleasy wagon, it's possible it's made entirely of villagers and wolves intentionally hid off wagon.

I just think village should caution against getting tunnel vision about the please wagon.
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Idk that being suspicious of the please wagon and saying it’s statistically unlikely there are no wolves on it means people are necessarily getting tunnel vision on it. This post feels weird to me.
 
Viscernable said:
Idk that being suspicious of the please wagon and saying it’s statistically unlikely there are no wolves on it means people are necessarily getting tunnel vision on it. This post feels weird to me.
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I keep going back and forth on if I think that post feels almost like weird wolfy TMI, but I'm in full blown D2 paranoia at this point.
 
Truenamer said:
I agree that making a kill like that is not something Dubz would choose to do. But, Dubz knows that, and is smart. In this scenario she's also one of three wolves, who could have felt strongly that killing Paws made sense for some reason.
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I guess, but in a game with no PRs and on the first night, so having the full roster to choose from, I don't think Dubz would choose to be a dickwolf just for the WIFOM.
 
supershorty said:
It's very possible, but like I said last night, what spooked me most about the wagon was how people were happy to just blindly sheep me on my read. It started feeling to me like it was going to be a "follow shorty, she has a reading card!" justification followed by turning around and yeeting me for it today when I was wrong.

Sure, it could be an all-village wagon, but it didn't build in a way that felt all village.
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Your read had no part in my read, I just felt similarly.
 
supershorty said:
I guess, but in a game with no PRs and on the first night, so having the full roster to choose from, I don't think Dubz would choose to be a dickwolf just for the WIFOM.
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I will say that the lack of PRs really gives the game a different feel. No wondering "is this person's strong gut feeling actually due to hidden information," just pure vibes and vote analysis.

I don't dislike it 🤔
 
supershorty said:
mayo's contributions have been extremely minimal, and I didn't like the Zenge vote - not for the reasoning that people might expect, which is that I think a D1 vote of one the people the whole game is for is kind of dumb (which I do), but because it seemed like an easy way to park a vote somewhere that wasn't going to go anywhere and just sit there for the whole day. I'll have to go back and look at Stickmin, but IIRC, when he pulled that stunt last year and was village, he actually PUSHED the person he was sitting on, whereas yesterday he just threw a lazy vote down, didn't back it up with anything, and other than a few posts about PSV, his content has been almost nil.
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Ok, I did go back and look at Stickmin, but it wasn't what I'd remembered. There was a lot of heated discussion around the vote, but it was nearly all just fighting about the concept of it, with minimal actual pushing on Dubz. I need to think that over because it's not what I thought happened.
 
Viscernable said:
I’m wavering between “this feels overly long and unnecessarily white-knighting” and “probably just NAI explaining how she feels about it from the perspective of knowing her sister well”
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I assure you, it's the latter. It felt like people were misrepresenting what she said to make her seem more suspicious than she actually was.
 
speechy_keen said:
I assure you, it's the latter. It felt like people were misrepresenting what she said to make her seem more suspicious than she actually was.
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Hello! Any thoughts on the game?
 
Viscernable said:
I’m wavering between “this feels overly long and unnecessarily white-knighting” and “probably just NAI explaining how she feels about it from the perspective of knowing her sister well”
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I don't think it reads like white-knighting at all, nor do I think it was overly long. I also highly doubt she knows what white-knighting is or would use it as a tactic unless someone instructed her to, and if that were the case I don't see a goon telling her to white-knight me of all players.
 
supershorty said:
Hello! Any thoughts on the game?
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(But I texted her to get back on the thread. She just went to petsit out of town so I must harass her from afar.)
 
supershorty said:
Hello! Any thoughts on the game?
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I think it is confusing and it just feels like one big argument where I'm bound to take things personally and get my feelings hurt. The only way I've seen mafia before is where the individuals have a storyline they're following so it's a little easier to get going. I think I'll start to get the hang of it though!
 
speechy_keen said:
I think it is confusing and it just feels like one big argument where I'm bound to take things personally and get my feelings hurt. The only way I've seen mafia before is where the individuals have a storyline they're following so it's a little easier to get going. I think I'll start to get the hang of it though!
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I meant more like if you had any reads to share.
 
Hmph well people seem dialed into vis and barks being the ones they are thinking but I feel like I only read a handful of posts between the two of them since D2 started. I will say though in the past I think I read barks right like 50/50 so I will need more @Barkley13 or I will probably be wrong and settle on whatever is incorrect :heckyeah:
 
Truenamer said:
Won't be able to do anything robust at work right now (they're unfortunately getting their money's worth today) but:

Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
True (1) - Paws
dolphin () -
Zenge (1) - mayo
please (5) - dubz, Vis, Barks, PSV, speechy
Paws (2) - True, sunshine
PSV (2) - please, dolphin
Barks (3) - Cray, Zenge, shorty
sunshine (1) - genny
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I’m putting very very little stock into N1 NKA but my one thought on it is I could see it as supporting true or sunny as more likely to be wolf, as the fewer villagers there were suspecting Paws the more likely she’d be wolf NK. I feel like either of them would be comfortable with the WIFOM of “but what if people think it reflects badly on people voting paws”, esp since True brought up the WIFOM of the nk straight away.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
@supershorty Why is Vis one of the main players in your POE? I feel like we haven't seen much from her. I thought her response to the pleasy sus was quite suspicious in jumping on the tone thing, but I'm not really one to talk about that I suppose.
(Granted, I've only played with Vis once and we were wolfing together.)
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What bothered me about Vis' posts was that I felt like she had many that were lightly putting some sus here or there, and I didn't feel super comfortable with that. On reread, though, it's not anything more than almost noting it to herself and I'm not sure I agree with myself from earlier today.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
I don't think it reads like white-knighting at all, nor do I think it was overly long. I also highly doubt she knows what white-knighting is or would use it as a tactic unless someone instructed her to, and if that were the case I don't see a goon telling her to white-knight me of all players.
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Ehhhh I think wanting to defend villagers is a pretty typical wolf instinct even in a first game. Combo of the TMI of knowing someone is innocent making it much easier to defend than attack and the hope that it will win village points to defend a villager.
 
speechy_keen said:
I think it is confusing and it just feels like one big argument where I'm bound to take things personally and get my feelings hurt. The only way I've seen mafia before is where the individuals have a storyline they're following so it's a little easier to get going. I think I'll start to get the hang of it though!
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Btw we appreciate you playing with us and mean nothing personally :biglove:
 
Zenge142 said:
I know it does. It hasn’t left my mind, but we have a wee bit of time and I’m waiting to see if something happens…
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Idk if confirmation bias is already setting in after that earlier Z post today triggered me but this post also creeps me out. Feels more like trying to imitate village!Z 4D chess than the real deal.
 
Viscernable said:
Idk that being suspicious of the please wagon and saying it’s statistically unlikely there are no wolves on it means people are necessarily getting tunnel vision on it. This post feels weird to me.
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Viscernable pls. I’m merely saying that we should exercise caution, and evaluate the game state as a whole.

Wolves on the Please wagon? I’d believe it.

Wolves not on the Please wagon at all? I’ve seen it before. As have you.

I’m not saying “IgNoRe tHe PlEaSe wAgOn” I’m just saying let’s be careful and not tunnel vision it.

I have strong suspicion of Barks, who was a Please voter.

I also have questions about both genny and Mayo who voted off wagon.

I won’t dive into genny at the moment because I frequently misread her, but with regards to Mayo, at the risk of delving into our debate last year, he’s essentially used his vote on me to just not provide anything of relevance.

His logic is that voting me is good because it gives me practice to defend, but #1. I’m not defending against a real push for my content like I would actually be in game, I’m defending against a fake push for the sake of defending against a push. And furthermore it’s a push without teeth as it has one vote.

Secondly, last year he voted Dubz, and said he voted me for the same reasoning but Dubz was actually the one going to champs, where I’m merely the back up.

In summary, I feel like Mayo’s used his logic from last year to place a vote without providing an actual, current game related reason, for that vote, and then just quietly faded into the background.

I didn’t want to ignore the Please wagon, but let’s remember there’s more to analyze, and we shouldn’t get tunnel vision.
 
Zenge142 said:
Viscernable pls. I’m merely saying that we should exercise caution, and evaluate the game state as a whole.

Wolves on the Please wagon? I’d believe it.

Wolves not on the Please wagon at all? I’ve seen it before. As have you.

I’m not saying “IgNoRe tHe PlEaSe wAgOn” I’m just saying let’s be careful and not tunnel vision it.

I have strong suspicion of Barks, who was a Please voter.

I also have questions about both genny and Mayo who voted off wagon.

I won’t dive into genny at the moment because I frequently misread her, but with regards to Mayo, at the risk of delving into our debate last year, he’s essentially used his vote on me to just not provide anything of relevance.

His logic is that voting me is good because it gives me practice to defend, but #1. I’m not defending against a real push for my content like I would actually be in game, I’m defending against a fake push for the sake of defending against a push. And furthermore it’s a push without teeth as it has one vote.

Secondly, last year he voted Dubz, and said he voted me for the same reasoning but Dubz was actually the one going to champs, where I’m merely the back up.

In summary, I feel like Mayo’s used his logic from last year to place a vote without providing an actual, current game related reason, for that vote, and then just quietly faded into the background.

I didn’t want to ignore the Please wagon, but let’s remember there’s more to analyze, and we shouldn’t get tunnel vision.
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Literally no one has had tunnel vision though, so why did you feel the need to preemptively make that comment?

1/3 of the roster (slightly more than 1/3 until I bailed) was on that wagon, it's not UNlikely that there was a mafia member in there. It just felt weirdly dismissive for you to say that.
 
Truenamer said:
Dubz please confirm that you are not woofin'

I know you're busy in real life but your vibes are different this game and it's giving queasy feelings
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Can confirm, am vanillager bean. I'm not one to talk about why I'm busy and what I'm doing because it doesn't have anything to do with my aff, but if the different vibes are related to my relative absence well, that's NAI.
 
Zenge142 said:
Viscernable pls. I’m merely saying that we should exercise caution, and evaluate the game state as a whole.

Wolves on the Please wagon? I’d believe it.

Wolves not on the Please wagon at all? I’ve seen it before. As have you.

I’m not saying “IgNoRe tHe PlEaSe wAgOn” I’m just saying let’s be careful and not tunnel vision it.

I have strong suspicion of Barks, who was a Please voter.

I also have questions about both genny and Mayo who voted off wagon.

I won’t dive into genny at the moment because I frequently misread her, but with regards to Mayo, at the risk of delving into our debate last year, he’s essentially used his vote on me to just not provide anything of relevance.

His logic is that voting me is good because it gives me practice to defend, but #1. I’m not defending against a real push for my content like I would actually be in game, I’m defending against a fake push for the sake of defending against a push. And furthermore it’s a push without teeth as it has one vote.

Secondly, last year he voted Dubz, and said he voted me for the same reasoning but Dubz was actually the one going to champs, where I’m merely the back up.

In summary, I feel like Mayo’s used his logic from last year to place a vote without providing an actual, current game related reason, for that vote, and then just quietly faded into the background.

I didn’t want to ignore the Please wagon, but let’s remember there’s more to analyze, and we shouldn’t get tunnel vision.
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I agree with you but I don’t think anyone was trying to focus exclusively on the please wagon and it was just brought up by shorty and True as where they wanted to start looking. This is kind of strawman-y.

I’m interested in your thoughts on genny and mayo tho. I need to think on mayo more. Are your congennyctures just because she voted inconspicuously off-wagon, or is there something else?
 
supershorty said:
Tonally, she hasn't felt right to me, and I didn't like how she sheeped my please read and then had no more thoughts on the wagon that formed afterward when I asked about it last night. I've felt like her content was lower than I would have expected. But that being said, I do agree with the point that PSV made about the NK, so I think I've moved her into neutrals for the moment
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At the time you asked there were only 2 additional people on the vote, with a bunch of people still not voting I'm not sure what conclusion I was supposed to draw.

Is sheeping reads a characteristic that you more commonly see with wolf Dubz? I did also state my own ping.
 
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