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dolphin106258 said:
LOL. I am catching up, sorry it times out wrong for you. I also really hate these comments
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It could be a coincidence, sure, I’m just saying it’s a hell of a sketchy one. It gives me the heebie-jeebies. I’m allowed to feel what I’m feeling.
 
Day 3 Yeet Tally
Cray (1) - Vis
sunshine (2) - True, PSV
True (1) - sunshine
dolphin (1) - Zenge

5/11
yeet close in ~10 hours
 
dolphin106258 said:
Some of those comments are just my genuine thoughts like yes I agree with the it could be sus but also I thought about it this way. But it doesn’t prove your comments correct.
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And those were my genuine thoughts. It felt like to me, you were standing 10 feet away while adding to the thread narrative, of “Oooooo yeah it totally could be Pleasy… :angelic: ”
 
I do think PSV’s defense of Dolphin here is also pretty interesting.

If Dolphin flips I’ll probably loot at PSV a lot harder next.
 
Zenge142 said:
It could be a coincidence, sure, I’m just saying it’s a hell of a sketchy one. It gives me the heebie-jeebies. I’m allowed to feel what I’m feeling.
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It’s really not sketchy, it’s literally coincidence didn’t I see someone accuse you of lurking and you make a comment about it.(I think it was you?) That was me all the time always accused of lurking. So how does it make sense for you to make a comment like that if you don’t like being accused of lurking??
 
Zenge142 said:
And those were my genuine thoughts. It felt like to me, you were standing 10 feet away while adding to the thread narrative, of “Oooooo yeah it totally could be Pleasy… :angelic: ”
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Okay. IF that’s a big if, read the comments in the thread and follow it with timing and everything I made those comments with plenty of time in the day left before voting was over, and I had never played with pleasy before they had responded to my comments on the second quote you pulled and so overall my read was eh like I felt okay, so I didn’t vote there, and then guess what voting rolled around to the end and I DIDNT vote there. I didn’t know enough about their play or feel fully confident to be like hey don’t all vote for pleasy, but I did feel enough to not want to vote there myself and felt stronger about PSV at the time. It was D1, I don’t know what else you want me to say. I don’t think any of my comments rise to the level of what you’re referring to.
 
Zenge142 said:
I do think PSV’s defense of Dolphin here is also pretty interesting.

If Dolphin flips I’ll probably loot at PSV a lot harder next.
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For the love of Pete. Your assessment of her play is a stretch. She's in my POE as well but your characterization ain't it. Sorry not agreeing with you makes me sketchy.
 
Anywho I’m done with this line of thought I’m wasting my time not doing other things I need to do. I don’t follow your logic on me, but I don’t really know how you’d play as a wolf, but this feels like an aggressive-y push to me and it doesn’t feel inherently Wolfy, but some of your comments and the way you’re pushing I just don’t like and they do feel Wolfy to me. But I need to iso sunny and vis too.
 
Viscernable said:
I’m feeling pretty neutral on everyone. Lots of wavering back and forth.

More village:
True
shorty
PSV
Dubz

Neutral (no real concerns but haven’t seen much of anything to support village either):
barks
speech
genny
dolphin

Slightly lower than above since I feel I can usually get a village lean on village sunny:
sunny

Neutral to wolfy (hard to separate out due to the wavering indecision. It keeps changing whether I have them village side of neutral down to wolf lean and back):
Cray
mayo
Z
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I’m still going through your posts vis but do you still feel the same about all your Wolfy reads?
Viscernable said:
Felt weird agreeing with Z while worried about him but screw it, more worried about mayo at this point. Z is contributing.

Vote mayo
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I don’t remember why I pulled this lol.
Viscernable said:
Underwhelmed, I don’t see why he needed to wait to post things pretty unrelated to that specific question. It’s a fair thing for village!Z to want to look for, but the amount of holding didn’t seem necessary
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I agreed with this one as well, but I thought I had a second post to go with this for context somehow it is gone, I’ll have to find it ugh.
Viscernable said:
I don’t know why I decided to play this game again when every game it’s just “Vis is making stupid bad arguments. Always happens but I think they’re stupider than usual so vote Vis anyways” or “Vis is making stupid bad arguments, but they’re not stupid enough for village Vis so vote Vis anyways”
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This feels like a very village reaction to me.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
For the love of Pete. Your assessment of her play is a stretch. She's in my POE as well but your characterization ain't it. Sorry not agreeing with you makes me sketchy.
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Who's Pete?

Look, I said I was going to look at you harder, not snap vote you.

Here's the thing, I feel like you do this a fair amount and it's probably because you're still new, but you defend other people way more than you should.

Look at it from my perspective: I'm looking at Dolphin's posts, there's things about them that stand out to me, I decide to start pushing and see where it goes, and then suddenly there's you, pushing back.

There are only a few certainties in this game, and, if you are village, you knowing that Dolphin isn't a wolf, isn't one of them.

So you've got to admit. If Dolphin does flip wolf, you coming to her defense, when I started this push, isn't going to make me feel better about you.
Frankly even if she flips village, I'll still be left with this nagging notion that maybe you came to her defense because you, as a wolf, knew she was village, and defended her so you could say "I told you so" later, and use it to build a case for pushing me.

It's fine and normal to defend village reads, I do it too, everyone does it. But sometimes you fight harder than maybe you should, in a way that feels like an attempt to shut down discussion. To put it more bluntly, in a way that feels anti-village. Like, okay, maybe I'm wrong, but let us duke it out and see where it goes, because, again, if you're village, the only thing you should know, for absolute certain, is that you're village. Everyone else should always be a potential question mark.

So you should at least acknowledge the reality, that regardless of Dolphin's flip, but especially if she flips wolf, village should have reservations and questions about how you seemed to defend her here.
 
I guess I don't really see what the problem is for me to say "this feels like a stretch" even when the post isn't directed against me. I don't feel like I'm exactly defending people as I am questioning someone else's logic. I suppose I could go about it differently but if there's something I disagree with, I'm going to challenge it.
And for the record, I think there's way worse metas for me to have than "defends people too much."
 
potentialsheltervet said:
I guess I don't really see what the problem is for me to say "this feels like a stretch" even when the post isn't directed against me. I don't feel like I'm exactly defending people as I am questioning someone else's logic. I suppose I could go about it differently but if there's something I disagree with, I'm going to challenge it.
And for the record, I think there's way worse metas for me to have than "defends people too much."
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Okay let’s talk about the posts I quoted. Do you not see how she’s adding fuel to the Pleasy fire while keeping from getting her hands dirty?
 
potentialsheltervet said:
I guess I don't really see what the problem is for me to say "this feels like a stretch" even when the post isn't directed against me. I don't feel like I'm exactly defending people as I am questioning someone else's logic. I suppose I could go about it differently but if there's something I disagree with, I'm going to challenge it.
And for the record, I think there's way worse metas for me to have than "defends people too much."
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You do defend people, pretty blatantly, a lot.
 
sunshinefl said:
THIS post (that you responded to did), but when zenge gets very riddler-ish especially when he swoops in with it upon mention of his name like he was lurking all along, is sus. And he has been doing that.

Tinfoil is a mood. But no, not projecting. I still have a mix. In fact I’m pretty sure I’m the one who inspired the “so many hmmm reacts” comment a bit ago. My same code still applies. Guess Dubz just disproportionately says shocking, surprising, and appalling things.
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Ahh yes see here was a lurky post about Z not the one I’m really remembering but still, you’re being accused of what you accused me of. So by your own logic if it freaks you out, it should freak out sunny about you or anyone else who thinks your lurking?
sunshinefl said:
Plane taking off. 4 hour flight. Quick ordering. Need to do more analysis and review. But to give you guys a general idea of where I’m at. No fancy names or spacing we are literally taxiing on the runway.

Village
12. @sunshinefl
8. @Zenge142
5. @holdthemayo
2. @speechy_keen
1. @genny
15. @supershorty
3. @potentialsheltervet
14. @dolphin106258
13. @Truenamer
6. @Viscernable
4. @Crayola227
Wolf
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Just confirming is this still where you’re at for most Wolfy being cray?
sunshinefl said:
And if I were in wolf chat and she asked there (or even if she didn’t) I would specifically tell her to ask those questions on thread.

(Not that I’m wolf reading her just saying)



You must be thinking of yourself. You are incorrect. Also, see the bolded.
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I agree with this, I’ve been in packs with newer players and they’re always told to ask on the thread. I have had some crazed thoughts of maybe im overlooking speechy bc they’re so new and they’re perfectly being molded into a good wolf, but I keep talking myself out of it. Because legitimately most of the interactions and posts I’ve seen from speechy just feel so village I just don’t think they can be manufactured..
 
Zenge142 said:
Okay let’s talk about the posts I quoted. Do you not see how she’s adding fuel to the Pleasy fire while keeping from getting her hands dirty?
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No I see this.. lol
Truenamer said:
See the funny thing is, I didn't even know what the letters stood for, I just knew it meant "when you spend an hour finding evidence in people's posts to back up the conclusion you've already come to"
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I feel like I’ve seen very few to no noob questions from speechy. Which is fine, she’s heard about the game from PSV and some rookies are independent (I looked up everything I wanted answered in my first game and just asked mentors their opinions).
 
Looking back through dolphin's posts, here's where I'm coming out.

tl;dr: I don't agree with Zenge's take on some of dolphin's quotes, but I also see very minimal efforts to game solve - not just going off of post number, but off the content within those posts. I quoted quite a few of them where she has a decent block of text, but most of it is just hedging and not actually contributing to game solving. Most notably, there's one post about Barky and Vis that I found really interesting because dolphin's characterization of the gamestate at the time didn't at all reflect what was on the board. She's also had quite a few moments of saying that she's going to get caught up, but then there's no real follow-up from that.

I'd had her in my village reads early on because of a few of her posts tonally sounding village, and I'd liked the analysis in a few, but on reread, I'm not feeling as good about her. I'm intrigued by her reaction to Zenge voting her, and to several of the things that I've quoted in this ISO.

dolphin106258 said:
I also raised an eyebrow at that comment but I used to be like that and want people to read me village all the time. I got a little caught up in it but I had to chill out with time lol. So I think overall its pretty regular anxiety village
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Zenge commented on this, but I don't think I agree with his conclusion. This comment could read as not getting hands dirty with the hedginess (I raised an eyebrow, BUT), but

well actually

I'm not sure I agree with where I was going with that thought because I went and looked at the time stamps. I was going to say that if the wagon hadn't already been building on please, that I wouldn't necessarily agree with the conclusion because of the semi-strong conclusive statement at the end there. However, the wagon at this time already had 3 votes and was the leading wagon, which makes me feel a little less confident in calling it a village (or even NAI) comment versus a wolfy one. It would be a good time to start trying to sow the seeds for a "see, I knew you were wrong" comment for if please was misyeeted.

dolphin106258 said:
I don't know how I feel about this, I get you're were waiting for PSV to respond but I don't get totally how that holds up the rest of your reads and I have noticed over games when people (including myself) push them off like that its because they don't have any due to being bad guy. Also coupling that with the classic let me round up the low posters and draw attention to them seems a little ick vibey to me. Also I see PSV did respond a little after your post
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And then there's a really abrupt turnaround like this - but it's not long after the post I'd quoted immediately above this one, so it's not even like the threadstate had drastically changed at that point and she was just going with the tide. So I'm not sure how I feel about those 2 interactions together.

dolphin106258 said:
For paws weirdly enough it was the post talking about me getting village points, I can't tell you what it is exactly it just reminded me of a past game and I can't get the feeling out of my head that makes me feel weird. And cray its not specific posts, and I have done this with cray before but I feel like I get more quantity than quality and I have a hard time following the logic. True I believe there were specific posts, hold please. I found them I don't think you're going to agree because of what you've already said this game but as a traditional low poster as village or wolf I find these kinds of posts to do very little when you're actually village and just always give me wolf vibes. But all of these reasons aren't super concrete which is why my vote is not there at the moment.
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This was a whole lot of words to say not much substance.

(I know it's rich of me to comment on other people being wordy).

dolphin106258 said:
I don't see two votes and not in the lead as a push but to each their own.
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So @dolphin106258, you said this, but you're having a pretty strong reaction to a single vote on you today. Do you feel that it's a push?

dolphin106258 said:
Yes I posted a more in depth reason, on both if you got to it. But I am going to get through all the posts since N1, even though that doesn't seem like a long amount (yay) and reevaluate!
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She made this post, but there really wasn't much follow up on it, which gives me some wolfy vibes because it can look pro-village to say "look, I'm getting caught up!", but then kind of fading into the woodwork instead of actually following through doesn't feel to me like a villager trying to solve the game.

dolphin106258 said:
Hmph well people seem dialed into vis and barks being the ones they are thinking but I feel like I only read a handful of posts between the two of them since D2 started. I will say though in the past I think I read barks right like 50/50 so I will need more @Barkley13 or I will probably be wrong and settle on whatever is incorrect :heckyeah:
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This is actually a super weird comment to make, looking back at it. At the time that dolphin said this, only 1 vote was even on the board, so while we'd had a fair amount of discussion, to say that people seemed "dialed in" to Vis and Barky was not fitting what the gamestate was. It's also super hedgy and noncommittal at the end. Looks to me like posting without contributing.

dolphin106258 said:
Because I’m just all over the place with some people, I feel like PSV and speechy feel pretty village to me, I don’t know if I should vote sunny bc I’m not remembering reading much from them in my short read through. And z was someone I had some question marks from yesterday. I’ll go find some posts, I’m just on my phone and struggling and wanted to at least post a vote earlier.
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I'm apparently the only one in the game who thinks PSV is wolfy, so I'll leave that point alone for now, but having speechy as her second highest village read is just WEIRD to me. She's barely posted. The posts that she's had just scream noob. I don't think speechy is wolfing, for reasons I've explained earlier, but I also raise an eyebrow when someone's highest village read is someone like that. I questioned dolphin on that and she responded, but it wasn't an answer I found particularly satisfying or enlightening. It boiled down to "because overwhelmed noob," which I agree with, but I don't think that's a legitimate reason to strongly village read her.

dolphin106258 said:
Hello so sorry, ive had a jam packed two days but I have time before work later I am going to go through as much as I can. But also kind of shocked I wasn’t tagged a lot that’s usually what happens to me when everyone gets triggered by the low posting
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She said this, but also earlier called out please when she'd said something about wanting to hear more from the lowposters, which I found interesting.

dolphin106258 said:
I’m gonna go ahead and already assume that I could prove your generalizations are incorrect by pulling some quotes and providing context but are you really going to make me waste my time doing that?
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I don't think it's a waste of time to contribute to the game :shrug:

And then all her recent posts have been very defensive.
I'm intrigued.
 
dolphin106258 said:
I agree with this, I’ve been in packs with newer players and they’re always told to ask on the thread. I have had some crazed thoughts of maybe im overlooking speechy bc they’re so new and they’re perfectly being molded into a good wolf, but I keep talking myself out of it. Because legitimately most of the interactions and posts I’ve seen from speechy just feel so village I just don’t think they can be manufactured..
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Which posts are feeling so overwhelmingly village to you?
 
potentialsheltervet said:
D1, wobbling on your please read, then jumping ship when the wagon intensified to the point where it was fairly clear she was going to be yoten anyway. D2, jumping back and forth on your barks read and ultimately yeeting her.
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What is the pattern you’re talking about here?
 
Viscernable said:
Such as?
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General questions about definitions and such, although I see the argument that she could've been told to say that in wolfchat. I don't think that's the case but it's possible.
It's not quite the same because I forced her to play this game, but it's giving me major OctoDocto vibes from when he wanted to sign up to be a wolf and eventually ghosted because he randed village.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Feels like encouraging a misyeet but keeping your hands somewhat clean by making it clear you're conflicted.
I shall repeat: I'm far from convinced shorty is wolfing here, but I'm keeping it in my back pocket as a possibility.
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You would have lost your mind in CYO II when I drove a Zenge misyeet, had a panic attack 15 minutes before vote closed, got off the wagon, got back on the wagon, and then spent the rest of the time screaming.

That was probably the most epic D2 Zenge freakout I've had.
 
supershorty said:
You would have lost your mind in CYO II when I drove a Zenge misyeet, had a panic attack 15 minutes before vote closed, got off the wagon, got back on the wagon, and then spent the rest of the time screaming.

That was probably the most epic D2 Zenge freakout I've had.
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I think the problem I'm having is that village has been hella good the past several games (SPN notwithstanding...). Like, I had a pit of dread in my stomach when I opened my role PM last game and saw I was in wolfchat because I wanted to win, but it's starting to feel impossible to win as a wolf (when I'm a wolf, at least).
So then coming to this game and having things be such a big question mark still is frustrating and really makes me feel like I need to scrutinize everyone.
 
And, because we haven't found a wolf yet, it's making me think at least one of the wolves is one of the super good vets like genny, shorty, zenge, or Cray. Because if all of you were village, I think at least one wolf would be ded by now.
 
supershorty said:
genny's historically the best at reading me out of anyone - she's the closest to having a shorty reading card, though no one has one. I've been feeling pretty okay with her posts, though I was a little thrown by the one she made yesterday where she started getting paranoid. I don't think it was wolfy, but given that she's quite good at reading me, I was surprised by the sentiment behind it.
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shorty this is so sus 🙁
 
supershorty said:
Which posts are feeling so overwhelmingly village to you?
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You guys aren’t going to like any of my answers bc you decided to now dig up a bunch of quotes and I don’t have time to respond bc I have to go to work. It’s just the tone of the posts coupled with the overwhelming noob as well as everyone kind of prodding her for the posts about being sisters whatever and then left it. All those things happening just feel like it’s too perfect and just doesn’t feel like it can be manufactured if she were really a noob wolf. It’s just my opinion tho obviously you agree bc you don’t think she’s a wolf you just don’t like how I logic-Ed it out because it’s different from how you did it. But I digress.
 
dolphin106258 said:
You guys aren’t going to like any of my answers bc you decided to now dig up a bunch of quotes and I don’t have time to respond bc I have to go to work. It’s just the tone of the posts coupled with the overwhelming noob as well as everyone kind of prodding her for the posts about being sisters whatever and then left it. All those things happening just feel like it’s too perfect and just doesn’t feel like it can be manufactured if she were really a noob wolf. It’s just my opinion tho obviously you agree bc you don’t think she’s a wolf you just don’t like how I logic-Ed it out because it’s different from how you did it. But I digress.
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That's not why I'm taking issue with it, and I'm not sure what to think of the tone in this post.
 
supershorty said:
Looking back through dolphin's posts, here's where I'm coming out.

tl;dr: I don't agree with Zenge's take on some of dolphin's quotes, but I also see very minimal efforts to game solve - not just going off of post number, but off the content within those posts. I quoted quite a few of them where she has a decent block of text, but most of it is just hedging and not actually contributing to game solving. Most notably, there's one post about Barky and Vis that I found really interesting because dolphin's characterization of the gamestate at the time didn't at all reflect what was on the board. She's also had quite a few moments of saying that she's going to get caught up, but then there's no real follow-up from that.

I'd had her in my village reads early on because of a few of her posts tonally sounding village, and I'd liked the analysis in a few, but on reread, I'm not feeling as good about her. I'm intrigued by her reaction to Zenge voting her, and to several of the things that I've quoted in this ISO.

Zenge commented on this, but I don't think I agree with his conclusion. This comment could read as not getting hands dirty with the hedginess (I raised an eyebrow, BUT), but

well actually

I'm not sure I agree with where I was going with that thought because I went and looked at the time stamps. I was going to say that if the wagon hadn't already been building on please, that I wouldn't necessarily agree with the conclusion because of the semi-strong conclusive statement at the end there. However, the wagon at this time already had 3 votes and was the leading wagon, which makes me feel a little less confident in calling it a village (or even NAI) comment versus a wolfy one. It would be a good time to start trying to sow the seeds for a "see, I knew you were wrong" comment for if please was misyeeted.


And then there's a really abrupt turnaround like this - but it's not long after the post I'd quoted immediately above this one, so it's not even like the threadstate had drastically changed at that point and she was just going with the tide. So I'm not sure how I feel about those 2 interactions together.


This was a whole lot of words to say not much substance.

(I know it's rich of me to comment on other people being wordy).


So @dolphin106258, you said this, but you're having a pretty strong reaction to a single vote on you today. Do you feel that it's a push?


She made this post, but there really wasn't much follow up on it, which gives me some wolfy vibes because it can look pro-village to say "look, I'm getting caught up!", but then kind of fading into the woodwork instead of actually following through doesn't feel to me like a villager trying to solve the game.


This is actually a super weird comment to make, looking back at it. At the time that dolphin said this, only 1 vote was even on the board, so while we'd had a fair amount of discussion, to say that people seemed "dialed in" to Vis and Barky was not fitting what the gamestate was. It's also super hedgy and noncommittal at the end. Looks to me like posting without contributing.


I'm apparently the only one in the game who thinks PSV is wolfy, so I'll leave that point alone for now, but having speechy as her second highest village read is just WEIRD to me. She's barely posted. The posts that she's had just scream noob. I don't think speechy is wolfing, for reasons I've explained earlier, but I also raise an eyebrow when someone's highest village read is someone like that. I questioned dolphin on that and she responded, but it wasn't an answer I found particularly satisfying or enlightening. It boiled down to "because overwhelmed noob," which I agree with, but I don't think that's a legitimate reason to strongly village read her.


She said this, but also earlier called out please when she'd said something about wanting to hear more from the lowposters, which I found interesting.


I don't think it's a waste of time to contribute to the game :shrug:

And then all her recent posts have been very defensive.
I'm intrigued.
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This is a lot. Sigh. I don’t characterize based on the voting numbers usually, I honestly rarely pay attention to the board throughout the day, if I said something about being dialed in it was probably due to the fact that the discussion was revolving around them based on the players I was looking at or the current thread at the time. I remember seeing your spoiler as well about the things Z brought up, and how it was already the leading wagon, which sure is fine but it certainly had plenty of time to not be it wasn’t a runaway train at that point. So I disagree with what you’re trying to say. And I do have a bad habit of getting defensive, I definitely have not been salty dolphin like I have in past games like not even close.

However I also haven’t been contributing the way I’d like to because of the past few days just being jam packed with things, tried my best the past two days but what you got was me catching up. I play mostly on my phone with like zero notes, especially when I’m doing it on the fly like that, so I’m sorry if it comes across like I’m not genuinely trying to catch up I am. Also I forgot about what the rest of the things in your spoiler.. so I will be back
 
dolphin106258 said:
You guys aren’t going to like any of my answers bc you decided to now dig up a bunch of quotes and I don’t have time to respond bc I have to go to work. It’s just the tone of the posts coupled with the overwhelming noob as well as everyone kind of prodding her for the posts about being sisters whatever and then left it. All those things happening just feel like it’s too perfect and just doesn’t feel like it can be manufactured if she were really a noob wolf. It’s just my opinion tho obviously you agree bc you don’t think she’s a wolf you just don’t like how I logic-Ed it out because it’s different from how you did it. But I digress.
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Also, I feel like this happened with PSV, not speechy? Where were people prodding speechy?
 
supershorty said:
That's not why I'm taking issue with it, and I'm not sure what to think of the tone in this post.
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That’s what I got from what I read, but I am trying to go as quickly as possible, so I apologize if I analyzed it or interpreted it incorrectly
 
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