Mr Cheetah's Advice For Premeds

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Okay. Its 12:30AM here, and I'm bored, so I'll be putting together a guide on being a successful applicant to medical school. Hopefully it will help some of you guys out. At the very least, it shouldn't hurt anyone.

From the first day of college:
Make sure you get an A in every one of your classes, or at least as many as is possible. This means taking classes from easy professors, rather than difficult ones. For example, I'd sometimes delay taking a course if I could get it with an easier professor a year or so later. Use ratemyprofessors.com and opinions from friends and upperclassmen for guidance.

Research: Try to get involved in some serious research by your 2nd or 3rd semester. I think the best way to do this is to build rapport with one or two of your favorite professors from freshman or sophomore year and ask if you can join their research team. Make sure that you'll be on track to make a meaningful contribution which would lead to an authorship. If you're not able to do that, at least try to take one of those classes where you get college credit in exchange for being a professor's lab rat, or something along those lines. That counts as research experience too, but this is less preferable than an authorship.

Clinical experience: Shadow various physicians in. Utilize family, friends, and strangers via the cold call. Volunteer at a hospital, too. I shadowed alot, and I was able to "spin" my shadowing experience as clinical experience... because it is. I think these are the easiest ways to get the clinical experience, however, there are MANY other ways you can take this. Maybe you want to be an EMT, or a phlebotomist, or whatever else... That will do it, too.

Volunteering: Try to find some sort of service fraternity on campus to get involved with, and volunteer for awhile at a hospital. This is one out of about a million ways you can do this. Look at what your campus is offering, find what will get you good experience and will be something you'll enjoy. There's a huge variety of stuff you can do. Be creative. If you volunteer in a hospital, though, you kind of knock out two birds (clinical experience, volunteer experience) with one stone.

LORS: Keep good relationships with your professors. Go to office hours, make sure they know you, talk which your professors about class and non-class related things. Perhaps you could ask a doctor you have shadowed for awhile to write you one. Make sure that you ask them for letters in January or February or March of the year you apply. You want to give them 1-2 months to write them, yet you also want them to be fairly recent. And make sure that they will be EXCELLENT letters. If you are not certain a letter writer will write you an excellent letter, then find another letter writer.

MCAT: There are plenty of resources you can utilize to prepare for the MCAT. The best way to prepare for the MCAT varies person to person; perhaps you are a person who studies best with a prep course (although I think they are a waste of money, you could learn that stuff on your own for much cheaper, after all), perhaps you want to study for 5 months, perhaps 2 months, etc... In any case, use the Examkrakers books, and practice with the AAMC practice exams. Otherwise, you really need to find out what works best for you. Know the structure of the exam, and how many questions you typically have to get right to get a certain score. For example, know that once you are getting 11's in any subsection that getting just one more question right will typically raise your score by 1 point. The difference between, a 34 and 37 may be a matter of answering only 3 more questions correctly.

Oh yeah, and you NEED to take the MCAT by early May at the latest, because of the...

AMCAS: Pay attention, there is abunch of stuff I didn't know about this thing that I wish I would have known when I applied. First of all, you can start filling out your AMCAS after you take your MCAT, but the first day that you can actually submit your information is around June 6th. Trust me, you want to submit it on the very first day you can. How it works is that the first day medical schools can take a look at you is around June 24th, but it can take up to several weeks for AMCAS to verify your grades (why this takes several weeks is an ancient mystery). I made the mistake of submitting my AMCAS around late June and, as a result, not everything was complete until mid-July. Don't make the same mistake.

REMEMBER, every day that goes by in which your application could be in the hands of a medical school, but isnt = decreased chance of acceptance.

Ensure that you have EVERYTHING, your transcripts in, your Work/Activities section, PS, etc.. all filled out by the very first day that you can submit that thing.

Secondary Essays: Once you know what schools you want to apply to, look up the secondary application prompts from the last application year. Assume that the prompts for last year will be the same prompts for this year (they typically are the same from year to year, for most schools). That way, when the application opens and you get the secondary you'll already have it done and will have less to worry about. You'll also get your application at any given school complete much more quickly. Remember, being late = lower chance of acceptance. I didn't catch on to this nugget of advice until it was too late, don't be like me on this one...

If all goes well you'll get an...

Interview: I'd say that ONCE YOU GET AN INTERVIEW somewhere, your performance during it will have a huge bearing on if you are ultimately accepted or not. Some places say that all of your stats, MCAT scores, etc. are thrown out the window once you get an interview and how well you perform is the sole criterion by which acceptance decisions are made. At most places, however, I estimate it will be worth 40%-60% of the ultimate admissions decision. (SDNers, please don't blast me if you don't agree with this figure, but that has been my, admittedly subjective, observation.) Prepare well in advance your answers to questions about any possible hole or red flag in your application, about why you want to go into medicine, about what you might want to specialize in, or research, etc... That should go without saying...

Also, you should do the best that you can do on every possible interview. Don't think that you can "hedge" an interview at your state school, or wherever else you may expect to get into, and interview in a way that you are damn sure isn't bad, but know isn't great, either, and expect to get in. Remember, you are a future doctor, regardless if you're accepted to the school you're interviewing at or not, and need to convince your interviewer of that fact. If you're invited for an interview somewhere, and you perform very well, odds are you'll be accepted.

Note: A lot of this process is luck. Luck that you guessed right on 2 or 3 MCAT questions you were unsure of which raised your MCAT by 2 or 3 points, luck that the person reading your application at X University likes your PS and AMCAS application, luck that you get an interviewer who "understands" you. That said, though, you should definitely maximize your chances, and know that there is a threshold at which, if you can reach it, you're pretty much guaranteed of an acceptance, somewhere. An applicant with a 4.0, tons of research, and a 40 on the MCAT, for example, is very unlikely to end up with no acceptances...

After the interview...

Thank you notes: I think that thank you notes are pretty worthless as far as helping you get accepted goes (I covered this in a previous post, but I have the experience of 3 interviews with a thank you note resulting in 3 rejections and 3 interviews without a thank you note and 3 acceptances), but if you really want to show your gratitude then go ahead and send one.

Hopefully you'll get that acceptance call, or email, or letter soon. But if you don't, you could be...

Rejected: Sorry, but this isn't your day. The A-train is going home. Stick a fork in you, cause you're done... However, you should know that there are some instances in which you can appeal a rejection; these are typically limited to situations in which you believe you were discriminated against, or there was an issue of unfair bias. Its worth a shot if you have a good reason to think you were given some sort of unfair consideration, but this is usually not the case.

Waitlisted: Being waitlisted sucks... So, if you really want to go to the school, you might as well maximize your chances of getting accepted off it. This means sending letters of interest and intent, possibly making phone calls, when it is TIMELY to do so. Did you get excellent 8th semester grades? Great, send them in. Publish anything recently? Earn any awards recently? Great, notify the school.

I believe this is all of the important information a premedical student needs to know about applying for medical school which isn't already hurled at them by professors, advisers, and other articles on the Internet. I think I cover some pretty important things here that these other sources fail to touch on. In any case..

Good luck!
 
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More people should probably read this before asking their question
it would really reduce the number of threads :laugh:
 
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It offers good tips, and I agree, it's solid, but it's far too regimented in my opinion. Some freshmen who really don't know the system will probably start following this like the bible.

Clinical experience: Get at least 60-100 hours of shadowing
We all know that shadowing isn't a necessity.

Volunteering: Try to find some sort of service fraternity on campus to get involved with
Why is it necessary to join a frat?

Other than that, good job!
 
It offers good tips, and I agree, it's solid, but it's far too regimented in my opinion. Some freshmen who really don't know the system will probably start following this like the bible.

Clinical experience: Get at least 60-100 hours of shadowing
We all know that shadowing isn't a necessity.

Volunteering: Try to find some sort of service fraternity on campus to get involved with
Why is it necessary to join a frat?

Other than that, good job!

You have a good point. I've edited it
 
This is obviously a very general and well thought out outline of the BROAD application process. Anyone with half a brain shouldn't follow these recommendations to the T but personalize it to match your schedule/etc. If you just follow this blindly, you probably shouldn't be in med school cause that just shows no personality/uniqueness/motivation to be different. I really like it though especially the part about the AMCAS.
 
Great Thanks! I think you did a very nice job, thanks for spending so much time to help out other SDNers.
 
While I agree that this should not be a definitive guide to anything, it provides a good general outline of things that several premeds may not be aware off.

I agree with IndianVercetti though, why a service frat?

Overall, good work 🙂
 
Get 60+ hours of Volunteering in a clinical setting.
If you get over 100 hours shadowing admissions directors will think you did nothing helpful with your free time. The ALWAYS prefer some type of community service with some volunteer clinical experience.
 
It offers good tips, and I agree, it's solid, but it's far too regimented in my opinion. Some freshmen who really don't know the system will probably start following this like the bible.

Clinical experience: Get at least 60-100 hours of shadowing
We all know that shadowing isn't a necessity.

Volunteering: Try to find some sort of service fraternity on campus to get involved with
Why is it necessary to join a frat?

Other than that, good job!

do we all know that? Im not so sure it's a great idea to convince ppl not to shadow...
 
It offers good tips, and I agree, it's solid, but it's far too regimented in my opinion. Some freshmen who really don't know the system will probably start following this like the bible.

Clinical experience: Get at least 60-100 hours of shadowing
We all know that shadowing isn't a necessity.

Volunteering: Try to find some sort of service fraternity on campus to get involved with
Why is it necessary to join a frat?

Other than that, good job!

I think the type of fraternity you're thinking of is a social fraternity. I believe the OP means Greek Lettered honor societies, like Alpha Epsilon Delta (pre-health) or Alpha Lambda Delta (general honor society).
 
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MrCheetah, what makes your advice so sage-like? Did you get accepted to all of the top 20 schools with full scholarships?

Edited again. And, no, this isn't a joke. Its written in the Mr Cheetah style.

I don't profess to be a sage, but I have had several interview invitations and acceptances, and it can help answer most questions the typical, pre-med SDNer has about the process. Thanks for reading.
 
I think the type of fraternity you're thinking of is a social fraternity. I believe the OP means Greek Lettered honor societies, like Alpha Epsilon Delta (pre-health) or Alpha Lambda Delta (general honor society).

Okay, yeah, I think that guy had social fraternities and sororities in mind, too, Koopa. You know, the kind where the guys are addicted to alcohol and the women are addicted to drama. There is a difference between a social fraternity and a service fraternity. It depends on what school you go to as to their presence, but there are a number of fraternal organizations which are co-ed and focus exclusively on community service in addition to the Greek Lettered honor societies Koopa mentions. These are the fraternities that I'm talking about.
 
Looking at the process ground out like that makes it sound so formulaic and kind of depressing as a result. The app cycle sounds so cold when its a necessity to 'go to office hours simply to build a rapport for a good LOR' or volunteering to hit a target number of hours.

I wish this stuff just happened organically, like doing research because its interesting or volunteering out of a desire to help. The whole "volunteering for volunteering's sake" and "research just for a publication for my app" makes the process so cold and reflects poorly on everyone.

Not knocking on you, just the system that makes doing these meaningful things like checking a box off on a to do list.
 
do we all know that? Im not so sure it's a great idea to convince ppl not to shadow...

Yeah. Shadowing, I'd say, IS a necessity. Its a good idea to experience a day of the career you have in mind before you invest $250,000 and 11 years of education into it.
 
Looking at the process ground out like that makes it sound so formulaic and kind of depressing as a result. The app cycle sounds so cold when its a necessity to 'go to office hours simply to build a rapport for a good LOR' or volunteering to hit a target number of hours.

I wish this stuff just happened organically, like doing research because its interesting or volunteering out of a desire to help. The whole "volunteering for volunteering's sake" and "research just for a publication for my app" makes the process so cold and reflects poorly on everyone.

Not knocking on you, just the system that makes doing these meaningful things like checking a box off on a to do list.

Yeah, I hear you. I've enjoyed doing all of these things, though, and I'm not sure if I would have done them if I hadn't been pushed to do so.

I think you'll be a bit disappointed to find alot of this check box phenomenon in the field and practice of medicine itself.

And I think its interesting that, so far, some people like this guide, some don't, some like parts but not other parts, etc. It goes to show you how much variability there is when it comes to paths you can take to get into medical school. That said, I think that what is above is advice that is applicable to the greatest number of us.
 
Yeah, I hear you. I've enjoyed doing all of these things, though, and I'm not sure if I would have done them if I hadn't been pushed to do so.

I think you'll be a bit disappointed to find alot of this check box phenomenon in the field and practice of medicine itself.

And I think its interesting that, so far, some people like this guide, some don't, some like parts but not other parts, etc. It goes to show you how much variability there is when it comes to paths you can take to get into medical school. That said, I think that what is above is advice that is applicable to the greatest number of us.

While what you wrote in your guide might not be NECESSARY, I would say it is definitely SUFFICIENT

(If some premed freshman does do exactly what you say, they will get accepted somewhere, because lets face it - many schools do indeed have checklists with various values assigned to different things and then plug your numbers in)
 
While this is a very helpful thread, my main criticism is that many people will follow this exactly without thinking about what they REALLY want to do. Don't just always do things b/c of medical schools. Do medical-related things that you enjoy.

I didn't like lab work at ALL and never touched it. However, I did 3 years of clinical research b/c that's what I found more interesting. So while research helps, it's very broad and you should concentrate on the type of research you like, whether that is hard-core sciency research or more pubilc healthy (the latter I like more).

Same goes for volunteering, you shouldn't think of it as knocking two birds with one stone. You should do what you like in terms of community service. If you wanna do fundraisers, volunteer at underserved clinics, homeless shelters, hospice, etc. Do the kinda of community service that YOU like, don't think of it as a checklist.

And I am a realist. I understand that there is a certain thing you have to do to get into medical school, a bit of research, a bit of this and that. While you should get some research and volunteer work, the kind of work you do should be up to you. Do what you like....but make sure you cover your grounds. Hope that helps!
 
This is a solid general guide as a BASELINE of what premeds should do to get into medical school. Thanks for putting the thought and time into it. It needs some modifications though:

-Like someone said, shadowing and clinical (hands-on) experience are two different things.
-The MCAT section is pretty weak. EK is fine but not the best for each section. I would at least send people here.
-MCAT does not need to be taken by early May. June 17 is the last best date, since apps as you said are not even sent to schools until June 23. Results will be 2-3 weeks behind the earliest applicants but you are still in the early applicant pool, assuming you got the rest of your app materials submitted in early June.
-No mention of developing a good PS, which takes a good 5 months.
-Give the number of LORs: 2 science, 1 non-science, 1 committee, 1 research and/or clinical. And LORs should be submitted by June 1 in case there are any problems.
-AMCAS section has some errors. You can start filling out your AMCAS when it opens in May, regardless of when you take your MCAT. Transcripts also should be submitted once AMCAS opens in May.
-No mention of applying broadly or how to select schools.
-Give some ideas of HOW to interview well. Research the entire school website, look at interview feedback, do mock interviews, stay with a student host, don't wear a black suit, etc.
-While TY notes might not help at all schools, they are a professional courtesy that will never hurt your chances. And a letter of interest sent within a week of your interview can help your chances at many schools. This should be mailed/emailed directly to the dean of admissions, and state exactly why you think you are a good fit for the school.

Most importantly, remember that this is a baseline. Doing this checklist will help you look like almost every other qualified medical school applicant. So be sure to also develop your personal interests and help yourself stand out in some (positive) way.

Thanks again Mr Cheetah!
 
good guide.

you should write something about what constitutes a good PS. that's really important too
 
-No mention of developing a good PS, which takes a good 5 months.

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Your not trying to win the Nobel prize in literature here, just talk about your motivations and experiences in an honest manner. I feel like if you spend too much time on a PS your essentially getting to the point where your starting to think more about what they want to hear than what you actually have to say.