MS4 almost here...

[MyNameIsOtto]

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3 weeks to go till MS4....

Hey Ms2's that are hating life right now studying for the boards...get ready for the suck-fest that's MS3! You'll do menial fcking sht for an entire year! You'll never know what your role is! You'll have a new attending/resident/intern every week!

Everyone says you'll "learn a ton more than you realize" during MS3. This isn't true at all. You'll actually become dumber and forget most of MS2 material. You'll learn random factoids each rotation then forget them again.

Enjoy...

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

3 weeks to go till MS4....

Hey Ms2's that are hating life right now studying for the boards...get ready for the suck-fest that's MS3! You'll do menial fcking sht for an entire year! You'll never know what your role is! You'll have a new attending/resident/intern every week!

Everyone says you'll "learn a ton more than you realize" during MS3. This isn't true at all. You'll actually become dumber and forget most of MS2 material. You'll learn random factoids each rotation then forget them again.

Enjoy...

And of course, you'll suffer through the misery of highly subjective grading, and work your butt off only to get rewarded with the inevitable "high pass" or B+ (or whatever your grading system can come up with) in the field you want to go into...

 

[lilnoelle]

Not everyone hates MS3. Personally, its been my favorite year yet.
I'm still looking forward to next year though. I'm pretty sure its going to be great!

 

[tacrum43]

It is rather thankless, your role is ill-defined and the hours do suck as a 3rd year (during one rotation I calculated I was working more hours than the interns!) but I thought it was much better than 1st or 2nd year. I learned a ton, and a lot of it is real medicine, not some biochem enzyme pathway you'll never use in patient care. It's also interesting how different hospitals "work" and how different specialties work too.

T-minus 3 more weeks for me too (and they're outpatient!) until 4th year. 😀

 

[RxnMan]

...I learned a ton, and a lot of it is real medicine, not some biochem enzyme pathway you'll never use in patient care...

I was pimped on a bunch of those random metabolic pathway diseases last week in the NICU. I've become dumber since MS2, and I wish I remembered more of it.

I had hoped that this year would be different, but 3rd year has been an exercise in mind reading, second-guessing, and watching other people work.

Remember rising MS2's - The correct answer to the attending's pimp question is never what you read in a text book. It is what they want to hear. Funny thing is, they want to see their opinion on your homework assignment, but you'll need the textbook answer for the shelf.

My favorite time in med school was my USMLE prep time.

 

[kenshin1]

Honestly, 4th year is not quite the party it's often made out to be. Given the need to do AI's, applications, aways, step 2, and interviews, July through Jan can be pretty stressful. Additionally, Jan-March is not all that fun because of Match anxiety. March-June is a party, however.


PS: if you think that you can't remember anything now, wait until June of 4th year. You'll struggle to recall where to listen to the heart sounds.

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

Not everyone hates MS3. Personally, its been my favorite year yet.
I'm still looking forward to next year though. I'm pretty sure its going to be great!

Oh overall it's been great...just feeling some end of the year burn-out/frustration...

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

Done in 3 weeks! So happy. Only the surgery shelf between me and a year of (relative) bliss.

 

[EM2BE]

Close here too...still waiting on pts to tell me the whole story / whole truth. But 3rd year was definitely better than 1st/2nd yrs for me.

 

[FutureInternist]

Get ready for the suck-fest that's MS3! You'll do menial fcking sht for an entire year! You'll never know what your role is! You'll have a new attending/resident/intern every week!

Everyone says you'll "learn a ton more than you realize" during MS3. This isn't true at all. You'll actually become dumber and forget most of MS2 material. You'll learn random factoids each rotation then forget them again.

Enjoy...

All you need to know for MS 3 😀

 

[Snuffbox]

3 weeks until freedom

4th year is looking mighty tempting right now- I have a lot of videogaming I need to catch up on. I have two months of vacation time scheduled right now, one of which will be used for "studying" for CS.

I love my surgery rotation- I sometimes scrub in for absolutely no reason. I've found myself checking out mentally in the OR with more frequency. Not a bad way to end the year to be honest.

3rd year >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st and 2nd year too- I feel like I wasted those two years of life.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I just had a hellish call night, so I'm definitely excited about a largely call free, early morning free year. And never having to do surgery, ob/gyn or peds were again! Overall, I'm not a 3rd year fan, but we're all different. I can say that 3rd year has been good for reinforcing my idea that I need a lifestyle specialty. 😳

 

[45408]

I just had a hellish call now, so I'm definitely excited about a largely call free, early morning free year. And never having to do surgery, ob/gyn or peds were again! Overall, I'm not a 3rd year fan, but we're all different. I can say that 3rd year has been good for reinforcing my idea that I need a lifestyle specialty. 😳

And I think I learned that I'll be okay in a time-consuming specialty. I've had two 4-day weeks that were mostly 9-3, and I'm pretty bored.

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

And I think I learned that I'll be okay in a time-consuming specialty. I've had two 4-day weeks that were mostly 9-3, and I'm pretty bored.

Isn't that kind of a product of what you were likely doing though, instead of the time spent? What have you decided to do?

 

[RxnMan]

And I think I learned that I'll be okay in a time-consuming specialty. I've had two 4-day weeks that were mostly 9-3, and I'm pretty bored.

It was the time-consuming rotations, where I did nothing for half the time or I was waiting between cases, that helped push me to go into a specialty that respects my time.

 

[45408]

Isn't that kind of a product of what you were likely doing though, instead of the time spent? What have you decided to do?

Yeah, that too. I'm planning on general surgery. Here's hoping the sub-I goes well.

 

[Madinat]

I was pimped on a bunch of those random metabolic pathway diseases last week in the NICU. I've become dumber since MS2, and I wish I remembered more of it.

I had hoped that this year would be different, but 3rd year has been an exercise in mind reading, second-guessing, and watching other people work.

Remember rising MS2's - The correct answer to the attending's pimp question is never what you read in a text book. It is what they want to hear. Funny thing is, they want to see their opinion on your homework assignment, but you'll need the textbook answer for the shelf.

My favorite time in med school was my USMLE prep time.

tru dat my friend, tru DAT. and here i was thinking it was just me!😛

Honestly, 4th year is not quite the party it's often made out to be. Given the need to do AI's, applications, aways, step 2, and interviews, July through Jan can be pretty stressful. Additionally, Jan-March is not all that fun because of Match anxiety. March-June is a party, however.


PS: if you think that you can't remember anything now, wait until June of 4th year. You'll struggle to recall where to listen to the heart sounds.

dood, youre scaring me.......

 

[Law2Doc]

Honestly, 4th year is not quite the party it's often made out to be. Given the need to do AI's, applications, aways, step 2, and interviews, July through Jan can be pretty stressful. Additionally, Jan-March is not all that fun because of Match anxiety. March-June is a party, however.
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Agreed. Many many people end up with a fairly intense, front loaded 4th year between sub-Is (esp if your school requires multiple ones), applications/interviews and boards. And if you are taking some electives you are hoping might be useful rather than simply those reported to be easy. While the grading is more lenient for fourth years, the hours for a few of the months may actually be longer. Once you are matched and just finishing out the race though, it gets very cush. So I wouldn't kid yourself into thinking 4th year is 12 months of pleasure. It's more like 3 months of pleasure starting on March 19.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

It really depends on your school and what you're going into (I'm thinking). My school doesn't require any sub-i's, so the only people who do surgery or medicine sub-i's are people going into those fields. Since I'm not going into those fields or anything that competitive, my 4th year schedule is looking like it's going to be pretty darn easy. Most of the 4th years at my school have claimed that 4th year is great.

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

No required Sub-Is? That seems kind of..weird.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

No required Sub-Is? That seems kind of..weird.

I doubt we're the only school out there that doesn't require them. Our only 4th year requirements are one month of ambulatory internal medicine and one month of rural medicine. Ambulatory is clinic so no early mornings, but we do have some night clinics requirements then. Rural can be hard based on where you end up, but most spots are not too bad.

 

[ubcredfox]

That sweet, fresh, oven baked pastry scent of fourth year occasionally wafts in my direction; of course, it's very difficult to discern when you're overwhelmed by the putrid and foul stench that is the Peds shelf. Only you, you foul carcass of neonatology, stand between me and the bakery.

Sonofabitch.

 

[Law2Doc]

I doubt we're the only school out there that doesn't require them. ...

There are a handful of schools that don't require them, but definitely in the minority. Some places require more than one (also probably a minority).

 

[drdr2010]

only 6 days stand between me and the glory of 4th year!! sadly 4 of those days are Ob/Gyn clinic (= 20+ pelvic exams) and then the other 2 are a shelf exam and a clinical skills exam.

but after that i have some vacation, a subspecialty away with no weekends or call, a month off, an ICU month, an ER month, and some kind of joke of a required course on being a good doctor/person. this year is going to be amazing once that month of critical care is done (can be counted as our Sub-I at my school).

 

[45408]

There are a handful of schools that don't require them, but definitely in the minority. Some places require more than one (also probably a minority).

I have to do a medicine sub-I and a surgery sub-I.



is anyone else feeling really dumb this time of year? I just feel like I don't know anything these days, which is a little scary, since my surgery sub-I starts in 3 weeks, and I'd prefer to look a little smarter than the new M3s coming on. The wrinkled and permanently stained short white coat should help though.

 

[oldbearprofessor]

, you foul carcass of neonatology, stand between me and the bakery.

I'm so glad your hospital lets third years change diapers in the nursery! Some schools protect their students from that important task. Don't forget to ask to be taught how to do a glycerin suppository on a small baby.

Enjoy neo! 😀

 

[kenshin1]

Agreed. Many many people end up with a fairly intense, front loaded 4th year between sub-Is (esp if your school requires multiple ones), applications/interviews and boards. And if you are taking some electives you are hoping might be useful rather than simply those reported to be easy. While the grading is more lenient for fourth years, the hours for a few of the months may actually be longer. Once you are matched and just finishing out the race though, it gets very cush. So I wouldn't kid yourself into thinking 4th year is 12 months of pleasure. It's more like 3 months of pleasure starting on March 19.

Yeah, my hours on my renal elective were actually longer than my hours during my 3rd year med rotation. Also, I found my away rotation (which was actually on a consult service) fairly stressful given that it is essentially a month long audition.

 

[obiwan]

I have to do a medicine sub-I and a surgery sub-I.



is anyone else feeling really dumb this time of year? I just feel like I don't know anything these days, which is a little scary, since my surgery sub-I starts in 3 weeks, and I'd prefer to look a little smarter than the new M3s coming on. The wrinkled and permanently stained short white coat should help though.

I'm pretty sure i've had several microinfarcts in my memory centers because i can't seem to remember anything these days whether its useless basic sciences crap or stuff i learned in other rotations... kinda scary

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

I have to do a medicine sub-I and a surgery sub-I.



is anyone else feeling really dumb this time of year? I just feel like I don't know anything these days, which is a little scary, since my surgery sub-I starts in 3 weeks, and I'd prefer to look a little smarter than the new M3s coming on. The wrinkled and permanently stained short white coat should help though.

I think you'll be amazed how much you know once you see the new 3rd years. You pick up so much through the course of third year that you don't even think about.

Plus, while they are all trying to figure out the very basics, how to work up a patient, etc, they also have to try and study for their first shelf exam. You, on the other hand, will just be focusing on your patients and your cases - you'll be much more focused and in a better position to "shine"