Mstp

[waq007]

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which DO schools have a Medical Scientist Training Program? the DO/PhD prgram. i heard that in most schools you dont pay for medschool tuition but the school actuallys pays u a yearly stipend. is that true? which DO schools offer this type of program (MSTP) and which colleges have the all expenses paid thing? i know MSUCOM has the program but do not know the details. it will GREATLY be appreciated if someone can fill me in on the MSTPs at DO schools. thnx.

~waqas

 

[jkhamlin]

which DO schools have a Medical Scientist Training Program? the DO/PhD prgram. i heard that in most schools you dont pay for medschool tuition but the school actuallys pays u a yearly stipend. is that true? which DO schools offer this type of program (MSTP) and which colleges have the all expenses paid thing? i know MSUCOM has the program but do not know the details. it will GREATLY be appreciated if someone can fill me in on the MSTPs at DO schools. thnx.

~waqas

There are only about 15 MD/PhD programs that have the NIH paid tuition. To my knowledge no DO/PhD schools do.
OSU-COM has a great DO/PhD program. KCUMB has one coming in 2007 which looks promising. I know there are others, but I don't know any details on them.

 

[hotlikebutter]

mstp is a NIH sponsored fellowship. you get 7 years paid on NIH scale, which i think is about 19-22k a year. the first 2 years of med school are paid for i think by NIH, but now i hear that during your phd phase your lab pays for your stipend. then on year 3 and 4 of med school NIH picks up again.

Im pretty sure Michigan State COM has a DO/PhD, maybe PCOM and NYCOM too. i thought CCOM had one, but during my interview they said you can get your PhD but its not a MSTP program.

 

[dr.z]

None of the DO/Ph.D programs to my knowledge are MSTP. They are not NIH funded.

 

[drusso]

UNTHSC-TCOM and MSU-COM both have well-established a DO/PhD Medical-Scientist Training Programs though they are not federally funded throught the NIH. Michigan state's program is 25 years old and TCOM's is at least 15 or 20 years old. I think securing a federally-funded MSTP program is a long-term goal that the osteopathic community is working on...

http://www.hsc.unt.edu/education/dual/do_ms.cfm

http://www.com.msu.edu/mstp/index.html

 

[annh31]

Hey, Ohio University also has a DO/PhD program (with a lot of potential projects for the PhD because of the attached undergrad campus). I met with the PhD coordinator at my interview - I think the PhD years are covered and all subsequent years in terms of tuition, but you pay for the first year years (MS1 and MS2). I THINK - I could be wrong. But the program itself sounded great - if you need more info lemme know.

 

[waq007]

Hey, Ohio University also has a DO/PhD program (with a lot of potential projects for the PhD because of the attached undergrad campus). I met with the PhD coordinator at my interview - I think the PhD years are covered and all subsequent years in terms of tuition, but you pay for the first year years (MS1 and MS2). I THINK - I could be wrong. But the program itself sounded great - if you need more info lemme know.

annh31, if u could confirm that for me that would be great!

another question about this, if DO schools are not funded by NIH, then wouldn't MSU's CHM be funded by it cuz its a MD school? and if it does, couldn't they work something out so that the same institution's other medical college gets the allocated funding? unless its a prob with jurisdiction and bureaucracy...then its hopeless. 🙂 anywho, thnx to all who posted and anyone with anymore info KEEP POSTING. u never know, some other pre-osteo students might be lookn for this info as well. tc everyone. latz

 

[hotlikebutter]

this is what ive always been told and understood MSTP to be:

if its not NIH funded then its not to be called "MSTP" as far as i know. most MD schools have MD/PHD programs but not all of them have MSTP. if its not NIH funded they are just MD/PHD or DO/PHD programs. "MSTP" is reserved for the NIH program.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Hey, Ohio University also has a DO/PhD program (with a lot of potential projects for the PhD because of the attached undergrad campus). I met with the PhD coordinator at my interview - I think the PhD years are covered and all subsequent years in terms of tuition, but you pay for the first year years (MS1 and MS2). I THINK - I could be wrong. But the program itself sounded great - if you need more info lemme know.

False. You pay the first two years full price. You get a stipend for your Phd years. You get a partial tuition waiver for your clinical years.

After Dr. Nowak told me that, I pretty much closed the door on that idea.

 

[dr.z]

this is what ive always been told and understood MSTP to be:

if its not NIH funded then its not to be called "MSTP" as far as i know. most MD schools have MD/PHD programs but not all of them have MSTP. if its not NIH funded they are just MD/PHD or DO/PHD programs. "MSTP" is reserved for the NIH program.

That is what I thought too.

 

[docbill]

The NIH has good loan repayment programs for DOs going into research fellowship after their training. They may have other funding options for DO/PhD students... you may want to check out their website. Any prog they have for MD/PhD may be open for DO/PhD students... just website not up to date. Don't just believe what is there now.. call/write and ask.

I am sure there are other scholarship that you can apply for... depending on your field of study. Example AHA (heart asso) does have 21k a year for 3 years.

PLUS.. the individual instit will know more... If are considering doing an PhD during medical school. It is best you check with the school.

 

[Nate]

UMDNJ is huge on research and, of course, has a DO/PhD program. The school also has a lot of money for research.

 

[jkhamlin]

The NIH has good loan repayment programs for DOs going into research fellowship after their training. They may have other funding options for DO/PhD students... you may want to check out their website. Any prog they have for MD/PhD may be open for DO/PhD students... just website not up to date. Don't just believe what is there now.. call/write and ask.

I am sure there are other scholarship that you can apply for... depending on your field of study. Example AHA (heart asso) does have 21k a year for 3 years.

PLUS.. the individual instit will know more... If are considering doing an PhD during medical school. It is best you check with the school.

I actually called the NIH early last year and talked to a Dr. Bert Shapiro who was in some position of authority over the MSTP program to find out if there was any possibility of DO programs being funded. He told me that if I was serious about medicine then I should only apply to MD programs and that I just didn't understand what I was considering getting into. 🙄 So some of them have highly antiquated attitudes about Osteopathic Medicine.
So, a few months after I emailed a complaint to his boss 😀, here is the reply I received from his boss:

Mr. Hamlin: Please feel free to encourage individuals from the programs
that you are interested in applying to or attending to contact me regarding
the possibility of applying for support for a medical scientist training
program.

Sincerely yours,

Jeremy M. Berg
Director
National Institute of General Medical Sciences​

So it is somewhat dependent on the schools to get involved in this. I would hope that some of us who are really medical scientist motivated would get in, do really good research, and take a leadership role to help move Osteopathic schools toward this goal.

 

[xanthines]

I'm not sure if you're talking about something different, but the NIH loan repayment I know is open to any physician (MD/DO, PhD or not) conducting research in a certain set of specified fields.

-X

The NIH has good loan repayment programs for DOs going into research fellowship after their training. They may have other funding options for DO/PhD students... you may want to check out their website. Any prog they have for MD/PhD may be open for DO/PhD students... just website not up to date. Don't just believe what is there now.. call/write and ask.

I am sure there are other scholarship that you can apply for... depending on your field of study. Example AHA (heart asso) does have 21k a year for 3 years.

PLUS.. the individual instit will know more... If are considering doing an PhD during medical school. It is best you check with the school.

 

[dr.z]

So it is somewhat dependent on the schools to get involved in this. I would hope that some of us who are really medical scientist motivated would get in, do really good research, and take a leadership role to help move Osteopathic schools toward this goal.

I'll try. I will be finished with Ph.D before going to DO school. I'm hoping to get myself in the academic medicine.

 

[docbill]

I'm not sure if you're talking about something different, but the NIH loan repayment I know is open to any physician (MD/DO, PhD or not) conducting research in a certain set of specified fields.

-X

You are right. I am mean if the post-doc position is open to DOs, than the MSTP should also be obtainable.

JKhamlin,

Good Job on contacting them directly... even better job on following up with a letter to his superior. I don't get it, why he said such a thing. Shapiro must be an unhappy bastard. The fact remains, it will still be hard to convince him or the committee to award you the funding. Things will have to change, and some of us may be the test mice.

If you are going to do good science and you have the inteligence for it. It doesn't matter if you have an MD or PhD or DO.

 

[docbill]

I'll try. I will be finished with Ph.D before going to DO school. I'm hoping to get myself in the academic medicine.

Zzzz do you know where you are going yet?

 

[dr.z]

Zzzz do you know where you are going yet?

I think I'll goto CCOM although I am still waiting to hear from schools like PCOM. I just want to see all the places (if they will interview me) before making the final decision.

 

[docbill]

I think I'll goto CCOM although I am still waiting to hear from schools like PCOM. I just want to see all the places (if they will interview me) before making the final decision.

I understand.. .PCOM still did not invite me for interview.. Maybe they are not interested. CCOM is a great school. THe DO that wrote me the LOR graduate from CCOM and did IM in Chicago.