I think we are arguing the same point . . . but I was only talking about whether or not what that adcom told me was true or even feasible . . . and if it is true this is good news for waitlisters (and I was trying to argue that his numbers are feasible). I think you were arguing the same thing but from a perspective based on the overall numbers in the fall.
Multiple acceptances? LET GO OF THEM!!!!
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Exactly, we agree completely. It is good news for waitlisters but if people know they aren't going to a school they should drop because despite people saying the waitlist doesn't move before May 15 (look way up) it will move if people drop acceptances they are not going to use (you can only attend 1 medical school) and people who are waitlisted can start planning their lives (the point of the original poster).
Amen.
I just truly believe that, right or wrong, that top 10% is a bunch of gunning sun of a guns, and there is some arrogance up there at those lofty heights. And so the shcool which I consider my first choice is somebody's backup, good for them, I guess we need people to go to Hopkins so that they can get together and drink cognac and laugh about the superiority of their fitness to practice medicine. Whatever. I know I won't hear until after May 15th. but it pisses me off that this 10% is holding on to their acceptances. I know a girl who is currently holding at Dartmouth, Michigan, UVM, Penn, New York. That's absurd, and I told her so. Anyway, this is neither here nor there. We won;t be hearing either way. This is just a way for me to vent my frustration.
And if you're a gunner type holding multiple acceptances, you will have an unhappy life, cursed by hordes of locusts and blight and famine. I spit in your general direction!
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Dude, what's with the insults?
I got accepted to Hopkins and am holding that acceptance and one other just so I can compare financial packages. I dropped all my others early on. (And the other one I'm holding doesn't have much of a waitlist to speak of).
Not all of us are gunners sitting around drinking cognac (I've never even seen a bottle of cognac for that matter).
In any case, I know it must be frustrating to be on a lot of waitlists, but don't blame it on people who are holding acceptances to great places like Hopkins. For the most part it seems like people holding acceptances from a number of state schools tend to hold on to more acceptances because of insecurity.
Good luck to everyone, I hope the spots you want open up for you soon!
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"I know a girl who is currently holding at Dartmouth, Michigan, UVM, Penn, New York."
this girl you're talking about is a jerk, because it's not about financial aid anymore. UVM is expensive for out of state folks, it's like 39,000 a year. Dartmouth has a great financial aid packet, they are pretty generous.
But the truth is: She's not going to take UVM or Dartmouth over UPenn. At this point, she's a jerk.
this girl you're talking about is a jerk, because it's not about financial aid anymore. UVM is expensive for out of state folks, it's like 39,000 a year. Dartmouth has a great financial aid packet, they are pretty generous.
But the truth is: She's not going to take UVM or Dartmouth over UPenn. At this point, she's a jerk.
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What schools have already started to accept people off the waitlist?
I believe that a majority of them have not digged into the waitlist yet, and won't do so until after May 15. So it doesn't really matter whether people wait until just before May 15 to withdraw their acceptances.
But I may be wrong...
I believe that a majority of them have not digged into the waitlist yet, and won't do so until after May 15. So it doesn't really matter whether people wait until just before May 15 to withdraw their acceptances.
But I may be wrong...
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Preach on brother! 😛
I am hoping the locusts stuff doesn't pan out...
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I respectfully disagree. One never knows if she'll get a full scholarship from a school. She may be holding out. OR she may be waiting to see if she gets a considerably better deal at one school, so that she can play financial "hard-ball" with the school she wants to attend.
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Disagree all you want, UVM doesn't give out much money and even if they did, no person would turn down UPenn for UVM. And UVM won't even notify students about their financial aid application until the middle of May for finanical aid. My best friend is going there. They had originally hoped to have it by the beginning of May or end of April, doesn't look that way now. So, she won't even know before she has to dump them.
All that said, most of us would take on the debt to attend UPenn.
All that said, most of us would take on the debt to attend UPenn.
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If you are just waiting on financial aid to make your decision that is fine AS LONG AS you are going to hear before May 15. A LOT of schools are not going to let people know their packages until AFTER May 15. Check with your schools and make sure they will let you know BEFORE the deadline. Obviously, UVM probably will not let you know in time.
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It seems we're only looking at one side of the problem. What about the adcom's? What takes them so damn long to decide? I understand some schools are rolling and others are not, and I understand the wait for each type. But I just dont understand why it takes some schools like AECOM 10 weeks to make a decision. One month is a very reasonable amount of turnaround time, but come on 10 weeks is just rediculous!!!
Also, i think schools just have too much control in this process. They can be as rude as they want to be. Applicants cant really complain because you'll piss off the school and they wont admit you. If you complain after a rejection, the school wont give a crap about what you say.
Another thing i've been wondering about is what's so special about May 15? I know after that date you can only hold 1 accept. But, WHY May 15 as opposed to May 1 or even earlier?
Also, i think schools just have too much control in this process. They can be as rude as they want to be. Applicants cant really complain because you'll piss off the school and they wont admit you. If you complain after a rejection, the school wont give a crap about what you say.
Another thing i've been wondering about is what's so special about May 15? I know after that date you can only hold 1 accept. But, WHY May 15 as opposed to May 1 or even earlier?
For any and all insults, I apologize. It was late, and I was belligerent.
However, this doesn't change the general tenure of the discussion, which actually comes down to these gunner types. I really wish they weren't going into medicine, they bring no compassion and very little common sense.
Take the multiple acceptances girl I was talking about earlier. She's a nice girl, I personally like her. She's an exceptional student, and got I believe a 35 on the MCAT. So a smart cookie, no doubt about it.
But she has never touched a patient, never even seen one. And she has the common sense of a hedgehog.
I don't even know what this post is about, now I'm just ranting and trolling my own thread and dogging on a friend of mine.
I'm so confused......😕
However, this doesn't change the general tenure of the discussion, which actually comes down to these gunner types. I really wish they weren't going into medicine, they bring no compassion and very little common sense.
Take the multiple acceptances girl I was talking about earlier. She's a nice girl, I personally like her. She's an exceptional student, and got I believe a 35 on the MCAT. So a smart cookie, no doubt about it.
But she has never touched a patient, never even seen one. And she has the common sense of a hedgehog.
I don't even know what this post is about, now I'm just ranting and trolling my own thread and dogging on a friend of mine.
I'm so confused......😕
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But I will still defend that girl's rights to hold on to the acceptances until May 15 in hopes that she will hear back from most schools.
Clearly I didn't know that UVM is taking that long.
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Hrm. Well I don't think it's right to say all of the top 10% of people applying are all gunners, etc. etc.... generalizations like this usually don't ring true.
This is not an egalitarian process, for sure, it's a meritocratic one, based heavily on one number (GPA), and has a "startling line" number (MCAT, 30) which if you fall behind your chances decrease exponentially. It's certainly not equal, and not even fair (once you get an interview if you have a connection with the school you'll probably get in, instead of waitlisted).
I think GPA is weighted excessively in the medical school admissions process; most schools' average GPA is 3.7, and many undergrad schools have difficult grading systems that make a 3.5 equal to a 3.9 at an easier undergrad.
Demanding high GPA makes classes all boil down to the grade. And this is a really bad way of learning because it rewards doing the least work possible for the highest grade. Regular homework assignments and quizzes made little difference to my grade in several classes, but hugely aided my learning and appreciation of calculus 3, linear algebra, a grad biology class, ethics, and islamic philosophy courses. Other courses like Orgo and Cell biology (main premed stack) were turned into cram and forget....which made me feel bad, like I was skimping out on learning the beauty of the organic reactions (with all those moving electrons!). Grades need to be deemphasized, and _originality_ and _creativity_ outside of class should be reemphasized. At the same time you should have a high standard of passing (like 70-80%) so that most people will learn the material. Isn't that what going to college (academic purposes I mean) is all about?
If someone has shown intellectual promise in any one of a variety of ways (publication, thesis, honors project, good research (ver. by a rec), high grades, high MCAT, or some other original academic pursuit) I think they should be interviewed. A 3.0-3.3, with a trend of improvement should be enough for med school interview. Below 2.7 shows a person is at risk for academic failure, and needs some additional proof of good work later (like a postbacc). The interview should discount all quantitative data, and maybe should include a short exam -- this is what's done in a lot of European schools. The questions need not be scientific -- they can done to look at the attitude of the applicant -- is he generous? or is he selfish?, etc.
I agree with you tho, that if that girl is definitely not going to say UVM, she should withdraw asap. Maybe she has a fiance/husband in the area tho? Or maybe her mom is sick and lives there? You have to know the details.
As long as she isn't hoarding acceptances, she's fine in my book.
This is not an egalitarian process, for sure, it's a meritocratic one, based heavily on one number (GPA), and has a "startling line" number (MCAT, 30) which if you fall behind your chances decrease exponentially. It's certainly not equal, and not even fair (once you get an interview if you have a connection with the school you'll probably get in, instead of waitlisted).
I think GPA is weighted excessively in the medical school admissions process; most schools' average GPA is 3.7, and many undergrad schools have difficult grading systems that make a 3.5 equal to a 3.9 at an easier undergrad.
Demanding high GPA makes classes all boil down to the grade. And this is a really bad way of learning because it rewards doing the least work possible for the highest grade. Regular homework assignments and quizzes made little difference to my grade in several classes, but hugely aided my learning and appreciation of calculus 3, linear algebra, a grad biology class, ethics, and islamic philosophy courses. Other courses like Orgo and Cell biology (main premed stack) were turned into cram and forget....which made me feel bad, like I was skimping out on learning the beauty of the organic reactions (with all those moving electrons!). Grades need to be deemphasized, and _originality_ and _creativity_ outside of class should be reemphasized. At the same time you should have a high standard of passing (like 70-80%) so that most people will learn the material. Isn't that what going to college (academic purposes I mean) is all about?
If someone has shown intellectual promise in any one of a variety of ways (publication, thesis, honors project, good research (ver. by a rec), high grades, high MCAT, or some other original academic pursuit) I think they should be interviewed. A 3.0-3.3, with a trend of improvement should be enough for med school interview. Below 2.7 shows a person is at risk for academic failure, and needs some additional proof of good work later (like a postbacc). The interview should discount all quantitative data, and maybe should include a short exam -- this is what's done in a lot of European schools. The questions need not be scientific -- they can done to look at the attitude of the applicant -- is he generous? or is he selfish?, etc.
I agree with you tho, that if that girl is definitely not going to say UVM, she should withdraw asap. Maybe she has a fiance/husband in the area tho? Or maybe her mom is sick and lives there? You have to know the details.
As long as she isn't hoarding acceptances, she's fine in my book.
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Bravo. A very wise post.
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You can call or email the admissions office to give a preliminary "heads up," but it's probably best to follow up with a short letter containing your signature. The school will report the withdrawal to AMCAS--no need for you to do anything.
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Originally posted by LP1CW
"I know a girl who is currently holding at Dartmouth, Michigan, UVM, Penn, New York."
this girl you're talking about is a jerk, because it's not about financial aid anymore. UVM is expensive for out of state folks, it's like 39,000 a year. Dartmouth has a great financial aid packet, they are pretty generous.
I believe that she earned it and thus she can take as long as she pleases to make her decision. Being on the waitlist could be hell but don't hate on people who have this tough decision to make. Hell who cares
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Look at this guy! Everybody give him a big round of applause (or the internet equivalent)!
I'm on hold at two of those schools, so from me to you, thanks.
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Where are you headed? HMS or JHU?
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"I believe that she earned it and thus she can take as long as she pleases to make her decision. Being on the waitlist could be hell but don't hate on people who have this tough decision to make. Hell who cares"
Supereagle, your assumption is wrong. I'm in at NYU. I dumped my other seats. I was writing that I believe that this girl who is in at UVM, Penn and Michigan and a couple of other schools could let go of a few schools. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine someone having a chance to attend Penn and choosing UVM or Dartmouth. Then again, maybe. I don't know if I'd want to live in Philly.
To all you that are waitlisted, I hope things work out well for you.
Supereagle, your assumption is wrong. I'm in at NYU. I dumped my other seats. I was writing that I believe that this girl who is in at UVM, Penn and Michigan and a couple of other schools could let go of a few schools. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine someone having a chance to attend Penn and choosing UVM or Dartmouth. Then again, maybe. I don't know if I'd want to live in Philly.
To all you that are waitlisted, I hope things work out well for you.
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Loyola Spot, opening up soon... as soon as they get my letter, that is!
I plan on withdrawing from two schools soon, hopefully by the end of next week. I'm just waiting on one more finacial aid package. But I was wondering how did you guys withdraw from the school: phone call or postal letter to the admissions office??? Is it easy to get back your deposit or do you have to ask for it back??? Thanks for a repsonse.
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marimed said:
I actually just withdrew from Drexel today to help some of you out. I called the admissions office and asked what the best way to withdraw would be. They told me to just send them an e-mail.
So whatever school you decide to withdraw from, just give them a call to see whether they prefer a postal letter, e-mail, or if the phone is sufficient.
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I withdrew from UT Houston today.
You know, there is another reason that some people may hold on to more than one acceptance, at least for a little bit. Some schools first notify applicants that they are accepted by phone, then follow up with a letter later. I got my phone call acceptance early last week, but even though I considered myself to be accepted, I didn't withdraw from UT Houston until I got the actual letter. I just couldn't do it until I had the written proof that I was accepted. So if someone had asked me on Friday how many acceptances I had, I would have had to have said "2, although I have no intention of going to one."
Anyway, I hope someone gets my spot at UT Houston.
You know, there is another reason that some people may hold on to more than one acceptance, at least for a little bit. Some schools first notify applicants that they are accepted by phone, then follow up with a letter later. I got my phone call acceptance early last week, but even though I considered myself to be accepted, I didn't withdraw from UT Houston until I got the actual letter. I just couldn't do it until I had the written proof that I was accepted. So if someone had asked me on Friday how many acceptances I had, I would have had to have said "2, although I have no intention of going to one."
Anyway, I hope someone gets my spot at UT Houston.
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ms. a said:
I'm even more paranoid than you. I waited until I got written confirmation that my school had my deposit before withdrawing from Drexel.
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Xmulder said:
Hey Xmulder!
Thank you so much for dropping Penn! You have given me a bit more hope of getting in. Thanks for not waiting until the bitter end! You rock! Where will you be going next year or the year after(Have you chosen to defer)? 🙂
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another ut houston spot open...
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Something else I've seen posted here (and read on Kaplan's website and heard from some med school friends) is that the May 15 deadline is kind of strategic in that it also allows schools to see who on their alternate list already reapplied for next year. I've heard they sometimes use that as a gauge of, well whatever, it doesn't really matter. The AMCAS becomes available in early May... so, something to consider.
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Not quite an acceptance but I'm taking myself of the waitlist for NYMC
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Releasing a spot at Baylor. Good luck to everyone waiting.
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OmahaMX80 said:
So.....if you are on a waitlist at a given med school, and they see that you are reapplying for the next round, they will pick you over somebody else because you're desperate?
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Eh, if you want to look at it that way. Personally, I think it's one of those things that won't make it or break it... but if they're considering your application and they see you've already applied for next year, they know 1.) that you're serious about applying since you're already getting in line for another long year of crap and 2.) you're actually serious about attending that school. It's not so much desperate as just staying on top of things and showing a level of dedication and perseverance. But, view it however you want shaggy.
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How will the schools know if you are reapplying before July 15 since the AMCAS doesn't go out until then.
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I don't know man... I just know what I was told. lol I don't know how info is communicated to schools. I was contacted by one medical school and encouraged to apply last summer, and I never sent them anything, nor did I initially apply at that school. Who really knows what level of information sharing goes on.
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You cannot submit until around June 15, I don't think the schools can see if you are working on an app so the soonest I believe the schools will be able to see if you are reapplying is a full month after you have to settle on 1 acceptance. Even if they can see if you are reapplying most students won't begin to work on it until after May 15 since all the info from the previous year is saved.
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OmahaMX80 said:
I got something like that too. I think MCW sent me and most of my pre-med friends an e-mail after we took the MCATs encouraging us to apply to their school. I guess we both just checked the wrong box when we were filling out the MCAT forms.
