Multiple fellowships

[toxic-megacolon]

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Is anyone applying to more than one fellowship? IE one subspecialty and a backup subspecialty? I'm trying to do this but having serious issues...

 

[vamz]

I'm not at the fellowship application stage yet, but am curious what you mean by "serious issues".
Attending support? Logistical?

Best of luck.

 

[toxic-megacolon]

I'm not at the fellowship application stage yet, but am curious what you mean by "serious issues".
Attending support? Logistical?

Best of luck.

No, more like the rank list due dates and match dates are all staggered such that you can only submit one rank list, for example it is impossible to apply to breast, hepatobiliary, and minimally invasive together (or even 2/3 of those). Surg Onc and Hepatobiliary is possible though.

 

[SLUser11]

No, more like the rank list due dates and match dates are all staggered such that you can only submit one rank list, for example it is impossible to apply to breast, hepatobiliary, and minimally invasive together (or even 2/3 of those). Surg Onc and Hepatobiliary is possible though.

Some of these problems may come from the likelihood that there are very few residents applying to multiple fellowships that are so fundamentally different. It makes sense that HPB and Surg Onc would have complimentary dates, while breast and MIS would be in 2 totally different worlds.

What do you ultimately want to be doing after residency? Are you undecided? The reason I ask is that the 3 fellowships you mentioned (breast, MIS, and HPB) are generally thought of as being easier to get into than the plastics/peds type fellowships, as you know.

 

[ESU_MD]

Out of curiosity, who knows the person who has done the most fellowships? I know a guy who did IM, anesthesia, peds, then peds anesthesia. Another who did im, gen surg, cv surg, then congenital cv surg.

When is enough enough?

 

[GregsAnatomy]

Out of curiosity, who knows the person who has done the most fellowships? I know a guy who did IM, anesthesia, peds, then peds anesthesia. Another who did im, gen surg, cv surg, then congenital cv surg.

When is enough enough?

We have an attending who did FM, gyn, gyn onc, surg, surg onc. She is European trained so I'm not sure how the pathways differ.

 

[toxic-megacolon]

Some of these problems may come from the likelihood that there are very few residents applying to multiple fellowships that are so fundamentally different. It makes sense that HPB and Surg Onc would have complimentary dates, while breast and MIS would be in 2 totally different worlds.

What do you ultimately want to be doing after residency? Are you undecided? The reason I ask is that the 3 fellowships you mentioned (breast, MIS, and HPB) are generally thought of as being easier to get into than the plastics/peds type fellowships, as you know.

I wanted to do HPB with MIS as a backup... but now I'm just applying to HPB as mentioned above. It would have been nice to have a little bit more secuirty of a backup field, as there are only 17 HBP programs, and they all accept 1 fellow each. Ironically all my research/publications are in breast, so I don't know if I personally am all that competitive for HPB... Didn't apply to Surg Onc, largely b/c its very competitive and doesn't make sense as a backup, and also I have no interst in head/neck, melanoma, sarcoma, etc.

 

[SLUser11]

I wanted to do HPB with MIS as a backup... but now I'm just applying to HPB as mentioned above. It would have been nice to have a little bit more secuirty of a backup field, as there are only 17 HBP programs, and they all accept 1 fellow each. Ironically all my research/publications are in breast, so I don't know if I personally am all that competitive for HPB... Didn't apply to Surg Onc, largely b/c its very competitive and doesn't make sense as a backup, and also I have no interst in head/neck, melanoma, sarcoma, etc.

Unfortunately, since it's a Fellowship Council match, I can't find the match statistics like there is for the NRMP. I have no first hand knowledge of HPB's competitiveness, but I've been told repeatedly that it's easy to match into....it would be interesting to see how many applicants there are for those 17 spots, and how many of the applicants are US allopathic grads.

Either way, I think you'll do great, and good luck with everything. If you do end up in MIS as a backup, I know for a fact that there are multiple unfilled spots each year.

 

[Mr Cookie Pants]

Out of curiosity, who knows the person who has done the most fellowships? I know a guy who did IM, anesthesia, peds, then peds anesthesia. Another who did im, gen surg, cv surg, then congenital cv surg.

When is enough enough?

A senior anesthesiologist at our hospital was a CT surgeon for 20 years before coming back to do anesthesia. So that's GS + CT + anesthesia. Only 3, but at minimum 11 years.

Our newest peds CT attending did GS in 7, CT in 3, ECMO and research fellowships, then peds. I think they were a PGY 14 or 15.

 

[SocialistMD]

Out of curiosity, who knows the person who has done the most fellowships? I know a guy who did IM, anesthesia, peds, then peds anesthesia. Another who did im, gen surg, cv surg, then congenital cv surg.

When is enough enough?

We have a med/peds with critical care fellowship who then did anesthesia with peds fellowship.
All that, and our training is still basically the same length of time.

 

[thedrjojo]

Unfortunately, since it's a Fellowship Council match, I can't find the match statistics like there is for the NRMP. I have no first hand knowledge of HPB's competitiveness, but I've been told repeatedly that it's easy to match into....it would be interesting to see how many applicants there are for those 17 spots, and how many of the applicants are US allopathic grads.

Either way, I think you'll do great, and good luck with everything. If you do end up in MIS as a backup, I know for a fact that there are multiple unfilled spots each year.

What about transplant (particularly programs that focus only in Liver) as a backup? I know you would be a year off cycle now, and not sure how the dates line up. Its the great debate for individuals that want to be liver surgeons, which path to take: HPB, Surg Onc, or Tranplant. Plus, transplant does have stats and they are pretty good, especially for US Grads

 

[toxic-megacolon]

Unfortunately, since it's a Fellowship Council match, I can't find the match statistics like there is for the NRMP. I have no first hand knowledge of HPB's competitiveness, but I've been told repeatedly that it's easy to match into....it would be interesting to see how many applicants there are for those 17 spots, and how many of the applicants are US allopathic grads.

Either way, I think you'll do great, and good luck with everything. If you do end up in MIS as a backup, I know for a fact that there are multiple unfilled spots each year.

I'm getting the impression that it is fairly competitive... 60 or so applicants for 17 spots, with the vast majority being quality US grads, many with additional fellowship training...

 

[BlondeDocteur]

This blew my mind...Guy here did:

Pediatrics (3)
PICU (3)
Worked as PICU attending for a bit...
Anesthesia (3)
Pediatric anesthesia (2)
Cardiac anesthesia (3)
Critical care (1)

All to be the medical director of a pediatric cardiac ICU.