Murdoch acceptances, C/O 2015

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Also, I just found out that the washer/dryer situation in my house I'll be moving into has a washer but no dryer. Is there any place close by campus that has a dryer? I can't believe there's no dryer where I'm going to be living!

That's a common British/Australasian thing. You hang clothes on the line outside, or, if it's raining, on clothes horses in the lounge (living room).

At Massey, a fair number of people sit supps, you don't have to try very hard to fail! The most I heard for one paper was 19 people (out of a hundred) for Anatomy II.

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So I guess vet school in Australia isn't as hard as vet school in the U.S. then, I take it. Do you know of people in vet schools in the U.S.? I just imagined that it was 4 years of pure Hell where you have no social life at all.

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Also, I just found out that the washer/dryer situation in my house I'll be moving into has a washer but no dryer. Is there any place close by campus that has a dryer? I can't believe there's no dryer where I'm going to be living!

Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of material to cover (and that is the only "hard" part of vet school in general). It's just different than the US system and probabably if they crammed all the classes into 4 years it would be just as 'busy' as US students. Instead at least the first few years are spread out more. Instead of taking a class for a few short 'modules' of several weeks in length and then having an exam (such as I think UF does with some of their units -- feel free to correct me UF students) we have a course for a full semester so we aren't always studying for that next exam.

As for the dryer, like Laura said that's the norm. You can find dryers over here but they can get pretty expensive. In the non-winter months clothes dry pretty fast outside. I tend to dry my clothes inside or undercover as I found out that clothes fade pretty quick in the sun over here. As a student it's nice not to have to add to the electric bill with a dryer -- which it can add tremendously, especially the cheap dryers.

Also not the norm in rental properties is a dishwasher (so sad...) and aircon is hit and miss.
 
Instead of taking a class for a few short 'modules' of several weeks in length and then having an exam (such as I think UF does with some of their units -- feel free to correct me UF students) we have a course for a full semester so we aren't always studying for that next exam.

I think so, for at least the first two years of vet school at UF. I went to UF for undergrad and have spoken with some of the vet students through volunteering for a free spay/neuter organization. They also take 19-21 credit hours per semester, most semesters. Classes also run year round, with the exeption of the first summer off.


Also not the norm in rental properties is a dishwasher (so sad...) and aircon is hit and miss.

That is sad! I could definitely live w/o heating/air conditioning and even a dryer... but a dishwasher :(.
 
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So I guess vet school in Australia isn't as hard as vet school in the U.S. then, I take it. Do you know of people in vet schools in the U.S.? I just imagined that it was 4 years of pure Hell where you have no social life at all.

Vet school is vet school. Murdoch is regarded to the US and the UK as being just as good as their vet schools. Our classes are not "easier" just because Nexx said they are hard to fail - you wont fail if you keep working hard, if you don't work hard, you will fail. Its like vet school anywhere. Just because our "A" mark is 80% doesn't mean our vet schools are "easier" - the professors here mark a lot tougher, and the Nth Americans have a HUGE time adjusting to the idea that a 60% is an OK mark. Don't be expecting to get all "A"'s just because you have to get over 80 back home. I say with every confidence that you have to work just as hard to get an A in our classes as you do in the US.

Sorry if that seems really defensive, but it really pisses me off after a while when so many US students seem to think that our vet degrees are easier just because they are classed as undergrad. The qualification you recieve is equivilant to a DVM - treat the course as the same. Yes, we take longer to do it - but we also do more classes.

To put thinks into perspective, out of 92 students, we lost 10 our first year. So don't go thinking its a breeze.
 
Daaang, sunshinevet... I never meant to strike a nerve.

As for no dryer, alright. But no air conditioning and no dishwasher? Jesus... it's like primitive times. lol Not really, I haven't had a dishwasher in my apartments I've had at all, which blows, but when you guys get temperatures up to like 100+ degrees Fahrenheit (or 37+ degrees Celsius) then isn't that a bit hazardous to people's health? Like babies and elderly people? I've heard stories of air conditioning going out in Chicago and lots of elderly people dying because of the heat so I'm hoping that doesn't happen in Australia as well.

I don't mind the fact that students may be taking less credit hours per semester and have longer a longer duration of veterinary school. I don't mind that. The only thing I do mind is the cost. It's just crazy how it's such a huge gap of difference in cost of tuition for students. If you're not from Western Australia then it's 45K a year but if you are then it's 8K a year. That's ridiculous! That makes me almost want to get a random guy off the street and marry him just to save money on school! :p
 
So I just found out that Murdoch is a not a school that the U.S. Dept of Ed acknowledges and so I can't get an in-school deferment. I can get a forbearance but not an in-school deferment. What did you U.S. people do about your loans that you already took in schools over here before going over to Murdoch? I'm a bit... stressed out about this.
 
That's really odd. My old loans are in deferrment right now; I just checked them too. When I got my new loans for Murdoch my old loans for undergrad went into deferrement without me doing anything extra.
 
It's probably because even though I sent in my award letter stating how much money I want for the first academic year, Dayna in her infinite glory probably hasn't submitted it to the Dept. of Education so I can get my loan money. I emailed her and I may call her my Sunday night (Australia's Monday morning) to see what the hell's going on. I swear, if I had to go into forbearance and maybe mess up my credit because of Dayna's ineptitude, I'll be very upset.
 
Just received an email from Murdoch saying they are offering me a spot and I should receive the formal invite in the mail before christmas. I'm freaking out ! I'm from Los Angeles, CA and have never been away from home aside from a study abroad thing I did in France for a month. My undergrad was an hour away from home and although I lived on campus I never felt I was really gone. I have never been to Australia and would love to go, but I don't even know where to begin. I've been reading this thread and I feel very overwhelmed.

For those who also got accepted, how did you make the choice to go there? I just had an interview at Ohio State, and I got invitations from Kansas and Western. Still waiting on several other schools for interviews or possible rejection. I keep seeing in the posts that there are problems with financial aid and such, is it worth it to jump through all the hoops?

Also, does anyone know how the healthcare is ? I'm kind of special needs as I have some health problems that require usually monthly doctor visits with specialists. This will probably be the main deciding factor as I need to make sure I will be able to make it through the program.

I'm just really at a lost and would appreaciate any input!! :scared:
 
Just received an email from Murdoch saying they are offering me a spot and I should receive the formal invite in the mail before christmas. I'm freaking out ! I'm from Los Angeles, CA and have never been away from home aside from a study abroad thing I did in France for a month. My undergrad was an hour away from home and although I lived on campus I never felt I was really gone. I have never been to Australia and would love to go, but I don't even know where to begin. I've been reading this thread and I feel very overwhelmed.

For those who also got accepted, how did you make the choice to go there? I just had an interview at Ohio State, and I got invitations from Kansas and Western. Still waiting on several other schools for interviews or possible rejection. I keep seeing in the posts that there are problems with financial aid and such, is it worth it to jump through all the hoops?

Also, does anyone know how the healthcare is ? I'm kind of special needs as I have some health problems that require usually monthly doctor visits with specialists. This will probably be the main deciding factor as I need to make sure I will be able to make it through the program.

I'm just really at a lost and would appreaciate any input!! :scared:

Firstly, congrats.

Can't really help make the decision for you to wait or not -- If you wanted you -might- be able to defer until next year (citing health issues?). That would at least give you time to see if you get in somewhere in the states if you are worried/overwhelmed/unsure.

Medical care over here is just as good as in the US for the most part. Depending on what your health concerns are though, they might exclude you from getting a visa. I think anyhow, not entirely sure!!! (tuberculosis and HIV I think may exclude you for instance) If you did come over depending on what kind of tests/care you need you might have to also get supplementary insurance in addition to OSHC. Both are fairly cheap and combined are probably still less than what I paid back in the states.

Financial aid issues are just that... issues mainly in the form of delays and communication, not deal breakers.

Good luck in whatever you decide and let me know if you have more questions.
 
I tried deferring my acceptance and they wouldn't let me. So I guess unfortunately you need to make a decision sometime before February 4th because that's when the mandatory orientation will be. I'm sorry!
 
Dwyn:
Same problem with my private student loans for pre-med through Wells Fargo. They do not recognize most international schools. They told me to take out excess Gradplus loans and pay theirs back (no penalty), then your loans will be consolidated and you will only have to focus on your vet schools loans. Sucks if your interest rate was lower, but mine is actually lower for my grad plus than my private student loan so it worked out ok for me.
 
Don't know how I missed that loan question.

Anyhow call your loan company again and ask to speak to a supervisor. The department of ed CERTAINLY recognizes Murdoch as a school and should allow you to defer your other loans. Private or otherwise.

Hell I just had a fight with Sallie Mae about my in school status. One loan will come off deferment and another one will go in. They can't seem to coordinate that if one goes into deferment, then they all should. Then takes 45 min on the phone arguing with a foreign call centre.

But yeah Wells Fargo should defer loans (they've bought out some of my student loans) from Murdoch. Sallie Mae does, Key Bank, AES does.

Also don't worry if something shows up on your credit report and you are 'in school' -- I've had to get something cleared off down the line and there was simply a pull-down box on the credit report that said "should not have been in repayment, deferred status" and then it goes to the loan company. Burden of proof is then on them. Didn't really require a lot of hassle either :p
 
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Yeah, I ended up getting the bottom portion of a FFELP form that Dayna gave me (i.e. what is now Direct Loans through the U.S. Department of Education for un/subsidized Stafford Loans) and I added the previously printed off Stafford loan deferment form and just said to refer to the FFELP form that Dayna gave me for the school information and I filled out the regular information on the Direct Loan form. I hope the Department of Education can figure out what to do and merge the information to ultimately defer my loans.

I think I pissed off Dayna, actually. She said that the loans don't come in until 1-2 weeks into the semester, and said that if I needed to take out a small loan though the University that I can do so. So I'm thinking... the University wants our money immediately and yet knows we don't have it because they were the ones that are aware that we have applied for loans. And yet they want money from us immediately anyway and it forces most of us to take out a small loan to pay the University when they already know we don't have the money. It just seems like the University is giving us no choice. I could very well be wrong about the system, but it seems that way. I sent in my award letter to Dayna on 23 November, so I don't understand why I have to wait months for her to submit it to Murdoch and for them to process it? But yeah, I said just that but in different wording and Dayna just stopped responding to my emails about that. Whoops! Any suggestions on if I'm wrong and/or how to recover and not piss her off? I just was in a sassy mood because I didn't think it was fair that the University would expect students to pay everything upfront, knowing we don't have the money and thus forcing us to take out another loan when we've already previously asked for a loan. Does that make sense?
 
I think you may have misunderstood her a bit.

The school, for your first semester only asks for payment of tuition (or part of tuition, if you worked out an arrangement) up front. After that the school waits for your US loans to arrive before you have to pay. They actually haven't hounded me at all and I paid for this past semester on the last day of finals (when my loans finally cleared this semester).

If you need money (i.e. to pay rent, survive, eat, pay bills, etc) before your student loans arrive then you can apply to get a loan from Murdoch. These loans are paid back when your US loans come in usually and are provided both fee-free and interest free.

As far as making up for your email, an apology never hurts :p
 
WOW! You guys all sound like Nexx and I before we came here. Sorry I haven't been on here in a while. I am in the same year as Nexx and was one of his roommates when we first got here. Let me give you all some advice from someone who has been through it all.

RELAX times 1,000! I know it is really scary. I do. I came from a very small midwestern farming town and was very sheltered for most of my life. Moving to Perth was the craziest thing that I have ever done. It was not easy. I think I had about 6 panic attacks within the first 3 weeks of being here in Perth. I also lost about 20lbs those first few weeks. But you know what, it was so worth it. You get over the initial shock of everything and you find your routine and before you know it everything here seems normal. Try really hard not to stress yourselves out before you get here because you will be stressed when you do get here.

By the way, depending on what your master's degree is in, you may be able to apply for permanent residency. That means that you would be able to get the government supported tuition of $8,500 per year and still be able to us your US loans to pay for it. That's what I did and it saves you thousands in the end. Might wait to figure all that out though when you get here.

Good luck with everything and really, try to relax. We say that WA means "Wait Awhile" and it is so true. You get used to it. It really is a great place and I think we will end up staying here and not going back to the states. SO there, you can be happy here. Give it a chance and good luck.

P.S. you can work a lot here while in vet school. I work more than 20 hrs a week and haven't failed yet (or taken a supp) and I will be in 5th year. It's just very different here, but in a good way if you let it.
 
Mochavet,

Where are you from originally? I'm from the Midwest too, Illinois to be specific. And really, I know it's easy to just say relax and hope that everyone does it, but uprooting one's life and moving across the world is a huge step. I know you understand because you went through it. I guess I just want to feel as prepared as possible because I don't want something to surprise me in a detrimental way. It's good to know that I can handle a job while over there. It's nice to be able to have some sort of income, even if it's minute. And you said depending on my masters degree I can be considered for residency. How so? Do you have a website that I may refer to?

And Nexx,

I did email Dayna yesterday to apologize for freaking out. I'm just... as you know, I'm already about 90K in debt as it is, and this vet schooling is going to cost me probably another 300K so I'm a bit nervous about it all. Not just financially but socially. Thus, I emailed Dayna and apologized for freaking out on her. I got an email that bounced back later saying she's out of office until 22 December. I guess me admitting I'm an @$$ will make her holidays better, at least. :)
 
Dwyn,

I grew up in Iowa and moved here from Minnesota. I was a very sheltered farm girl. I do understand that it is hard to uproot your life and move halfway across the world. My husband and I had everything, cars, a house, good jobs, pets and we did it. At the time, it was very sad having to sell everything and find a good home for one of the dogs, but trust me, you cannot possibly prepare for everything before you get here. I agree, you can try, but there will be something that you can't prepare for. Most students from the states (in my year) HATED it here for about the first 6 months to 2 years. You will get homesick and you will compare everything to home. You just have to work through that and eventually it is awesome.

Take a look at the Australian Immigration website. We got skilled worker visas which allowed us permanent residency. Most people don't qualify because they don't have a degree that fits with the in demand jobs. If you have a masters then you should be at least educationally qualified. If you've worked in your field for any number of years, then even better. I suggest applying for that when you are on-shore. We didn't and it took 20 months to get which meant I had to pay international tuition for one year. I think on-shore applications only take about 6 months. It is worth looking at though cuz it will potentially save you $200,000 in the end.

Hang in there and like I said before, try and relax. Things are different here but you get used to it.
 
Ive never visited perth before, but i heard they have good beaches and their farm is right beside the school.. so it sure soundss interesting studying in murdoch.. i was just wondering is anyone applying or have applied straight from high school? I applied from an international school in Jakarta, they gave me a ATAR rank of 97.10.. can anyone telll me if thats enough to be competitive for a spot? i also did a personal statement just to support my application.. and i also included some of my experience.. ive interned in local clinics.. in farms.. and im also a beagle breeder :) BEAGLESS!!! and also labradors.. and yeh I love handling my dogs in the show ring..
 
Ive never visited perth before, but i heard they have good beaches and their farm is right beside the school.. so it sure soundss interesting studying in murdoch.. i was just wondering is anyone applying or have applied straight from high school? I applied from an international school in Jakarta, they gave me a ATAR rank of 97.10.. can anyone telll me if thats enough to be competitive for a spot? i also did a personal statement just to support my application.. and i also included some of my experience.. ive interned in local clinics.. in farms.. and im also a beagle breeder :) BEAGLESS!!! and also labradors.. and yeh I love handling my dogs in the show ring..
 
That's really odd. My old loans are in deferrment right now; I just checked them too. When I got my new loans for Murdoch my old loans for undergrad went into deferrement without me doing anything extra.

Woah that's weird. Like really weird. I just read an article that almost directly contradicts that on http://www.studentloans.net - might be a good idea for you to read
 
Ive never visited perth before, but i heard they have good beaches and their farm is right beside the school.. so it sure soundss interesting studying in murdoch.. i was just wondering is anyone applying or have applied straight from high school? I applied from an international school in Jakarta, they gave me a ATAR rank of 97.10.. can anyone telll me if thats enough to be competitive for a spot? i also did a personal statement just to support my application.. and i also included some of my experience.. ive interned in local clinics.. in farms.. and im also a beagle breeder :) BEAGLESS!!! and also labradors.. and yeh I love handling my dogs in the show ring..

From memory the ATAR required for Murdoch vet is about 90. So your score should be competitive enough! Good luck!
 
Ive never visited perth before, but i heard they have good beaches and their farm is right beside the school.. so it sure soundss interesting studying in murdoch.. i was just wondering is anyone applying or have applied straight from high school? I applied from an international school in Jakarta, they gave me a ATAR rank of 97.10.. can anyone telll me if thats enough to be competitive for a spot? i also did a personal statement just to support my application.. and i also included some of my experience.. ive interned in local clinics.. in farms.. and im also a beagle breeder :) BEAGLESS!!! and also labradors.. and yeh I love handling my dogs in the show ring..


Last year the ATAR for vet was 97.5. Its been 95.5+ for the last few years - once you've got over 95 you're pretty competitive, its just a matter of how it all pans out.

If you are applying directly for a highschool spot - the guarrenteed entry - pretty sure supporting evidence doesn't come into play - its just your score? Its like that for local students (ie, you only get in based on your ATAR and nothing else) not sure about you coming from indonesia.
 
I decided to accept Murdoch's offer!! So if all goes well I will be joining the rest of you in about a months time :D I'm so scared but excited at the same time. I decided if I don't go now, then when? Gotta hold my breath and take the plunge.
 
Okay guys, I leave for Australia on January 31st. I can't believe it's less than 3 weeks and I'll be living in another CONTINENT! :) I went to the Verizon store and they pretty much told me to deactivate my phone or switch to a more simplified phone like the one I had before if I am going to maintain my number. I'm a bit concerned that if I disconnect my number though, when I come back to the States I won't have a phone nor any way to get in contact with people! And if I get a phone in Australia, what would be the best provider? Also, when does the national health insurance go into effect and what all does it cover? Do they discuss that at the mandatory orientation one attends on February 4th? I haven't heard any more about that meeting like where to go and time of attendance. Does anyone else know?
 
Also, will I need to register for my units before I come to Australia? Or will they go over what units students need to enroll in during the mandatory orientation? I have no idea what to enroll in!
 
hey dwyn,

you can always get a prepaid phone once you come back to the states. and don't forget about facebook!

as for cell phones over here telstra will have the best service; however, they will also charge you an arm and a leg, and your first born, and your other leg.

the others are hit or miss. 3, optus are two options. there are others, but as usual, i tend to forget these things ;) i have 3, it's alright. it's cheap though, so i guess i get what i pay for...

i have no idea about national health insurance. i'm too far removed to know anything about it, which is probably a bad thing. i should look into that!

as for units, you do not need to enroll in them until you get here. you can enroll now if you want, or you can wait until orientation. don't stress over it. there is enough space for everyone. but to calm your nerves, these are the 4 classes to enroll in.
physio I (vet244)
anatomy I (vet240)
biochem (vet241
vpl I (vet209)

i assume the unit codes are the same, but check before you actually enroll.

as for where to go and time, when you get here during o-week "the o-week carvan" will be parked somewhere in bush court (and lots of signs pointing you where to go) and they will have info packets specifically for each program.

there should be o-week info on the website, but last i checked it was still from last semester.
 
Man... less than 2 weeks and I'll be living in Australia! AHH!

So in other news, I just got an interview for University of Illinois (my home state) on February 21nd. I definitely want to do the interview because first of all, it's my home state. Secondly, it's about half the price of tuition in-state there as it is out-of-state/country for Murdoch. Thirdly, it's only a 4 year program. So what I'm asking is... would it be best to tell the professors when I am in class the first week that I'm going for another vet school interview in the States? Or should I tell the professors that it's some sort of emergency back in the States that I must attend? I just don't know how strict the professors are at Murdoch, especially for year 1 semester 1 classes (sorry, units). Does anyone have suggestions? I definitely want to take this offer and it'd be dumb to turn it down. What should I do?
 
Man... less than 2 weeks and I'll be living in Australia! AHH!

So in other news, I just got an interview for University of Illinois (my home state) on February 21nd. I definitely want to do the interview because first of all, it's my home state. Secondly, it's about half the price of tuition in-state there as it is out-of-state/country for Murdoch. Thirdly, it's only a 4 year program. So what I'm asking is... would it be best to tell the professors when I am in class the first week that I'm going for another vet school interview in the States? Or should I tell the professors that it's some sort of emergency back in the States that I must attend? I just don't know how strict the professors are at Murdoch, especially for year 1 semester 1 classes (sorry, units). Does anyone have suggestions? I definitely want to take this offer and it'd be dumb to turn it down. What should I do?

You should be fine to tell them the truth. All the professors you have in semester 1 are awesome, laid back people, who understand the problems international students have, so there's no point in lying! And they are definately the kinds of people to ask you how the emergency went once you get back, so to save making something else up I would just tell them. (To be honest I can't quite remember who you have for biochem at that point in time, but the unit co-ordinator is Graham Gardener, who is AWESOME! I think, anyway).

But yeah, just tell them :) We have no secrets in the vet school, lol!
 
Sunshinevet,

Do you know when the units for year 1 semester 1 are held? If not, do you know where I could find that information? I enroled in the 4 units this past week but I don't know where I can go to see when and where they are held. I know this is a long shot, but do the professors for the classes post their syllabi online at all?

I'm glad to know that I can be honest with the professors. That makes me feel tremendously better. I just hope they don't boot me out of the class because I miss a lecture/lab or whatever. :-/
 
Sunshinevet,

Do you know when the units for year 1 semester 1 are held? If not, do you know where I could find that information? I enroled in the 4 units this past week but I don't know where I can go to see when and where they are held. I know this is a long shot, but do the professors for the classes post their syllabi online at all?

I'm glad to know that I can be honest with the professors. That makes me feel tremendously better. I just hope they don't boot me out of the class because I miss a lecture/lab or whatever. :-/

Lecture attendance is not compulsory. And it's all posted online, both recordings and slides, and you buy the unit reader, so you can still see/hear the lectures without going. Not going to labs is more going to be up to your dissecting partners to take photos etc for you, and biochem you might have to talk to Graham Gardener about an exemption or something, but noone is mean and certainly won't fail you for missing a lab! I mean, if you chronically miss labs then fail the unit they will be less kind about supps/remediation, but that's not this case.

(Except for physiology. Some of the stuff from the lab is tested in the mid semester exams - but you can do it at home. This will become more apparent as you actually get into the unit - you'll know the bit im talking about!)

I'm really sorry but im not quite sure what you mean by when the units are held...? Are you talking about your timetable? You are unable to sign up for lectures/labs etc at the moment, because that doesn't open for first years until later, but if you go to the search function on murdochs website, and type in "teaching timetable" and select the "student" option that comes up, you then enter in your unit codes and it spits out your timetable for the semester. :)

At the start of semester, as part of the unit information most lecturers will post a brief overview of what will be covered in each lecture ie, week 1 anatomy forelimb, week 2 hindlimb etc. So its not hard to plan in advance what you need to study when. And all provide learning objectives - the key points of what you have to know.
And you purchase lecture notes, which in all honesty, are all you need to know. Pretty sure you can go almost your entire vet school life over here without buying textbooks, just by purchasing those handy handy lecture notes!!! (And most also post the lecture notes online) (So also dont buy any textbooks until you are a few weeks in, to determine what classes you REALLY need them in. Otherwise you drop heaps of money on books you are never going to open. And I can totally sell you a copy of Dyce if you want...)

I hope that answered your questions!
 
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Sunshinevet,

Do you know what days of the week I'll be having my units? Is there someplace on the Murdoch website that displays that?
 
Sunshinevet,

Do you know what days of the week I'll be having my units? Is there someplace on the Murdoch website that displays that?

If you go to the teaching timetable it will tell you, but you'll be having units every day of the week (of course, not weekends!) Unless they really heavily stacked some days for you, which I doubt.
 
I went to the teaching timetable and made an Excel spreadsheet of what classes are being held when. Thank you for directing me to that! Another thing... as far as I'm aware, it doesn't say on the Teaching Timetable WHERE the classes are being held. I saw on there an acronym at the bottom right-hand corner of the grid-view on the Teaching Timetable, but it looks like it's more so just to tell you something else other than the building name and room number. Where can I find that information?
 
If they were acronyms like "ECL1" "VBS3.024" "LBLT" (for example) these are the rooms. But honestly, dont worry. When you go to the vet orientation, (all you need to do to find that is go to the vet school, there will be signs) and then follow your class around. You'll probably only have classes in 4 or 5 different rooms, and you'll pick up on it fairly quickly. The letters refer to the buildings (eg ECL stands for Ecom, Commerce and Law, LBLT is the Longeragan Lecture Theatre, VBS is veterinary biological sciences) then the first number refers to the floor number, then the decimal refers to the room number. You can search for "campus map" and it should come up. BUt it will make its self apparent, don't worry.
 
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