My First Rejection!

[DQLEUCD]

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Dude, my EC's will blow yours out of the water...you just sound ridiculous right now.

Great for you, why are you so worried that someone like me will take your place in dental school? Just because you have the numbers doesn't mean you will be as successful as I am in dental school.

 

[lmaozedong1]

Great for you, why are you so worried that someone like me will take your place in dental school? Just because you have the numbers doesn't mean you will be as successful as I am in dental school.

Says the guy who slacked off in college and now thinks he should be given the same opportunity.

 

[2PacClone23]

Says the guy who slacked off in college and now thinks he should be given the same opportunity.

dude stfu

 

[DQLEUCD]

Says the guy who slacked off in college and now thinks he should be given the same opportunity.

With all that talk you better have a 4.0. If you don't then I guess you shouldn't even apply to school since those with 4.0's going to beat you out every time if people thought like you.

 

[lmaozedong1]

With all that talk you better have a 4.0. If you don't then I guess you shouldn't even apply to school since those with 4.0's going to beat you out every time if people thought like you.

I did well enough. 👍

 

[aelian]

I agree with Imaozedong1 on this one. In my view I believe the GPA cutoffs should be much higher (min 3.5 scpa, and cgpa or above), and the people who get 23's and higher on their DAT who try to erase 4 years of doing something other than studying and end up getting 3.02 sgpa's and cgpa's (you know who you are) shouldn't be allowed to step in front of someone with a 3.7+ scpa, and 3.8+cgpa, and a 3.9+ BCP who instead of getting a 24 on the DAT got a 20, but actually completely devoted themselves to their college education.

Yayyy!!! I think Mr./Miss Aviator might be subliminally referring to me. 🙂
/starts to get out party hats and poppers 😀
Waiiit...are you insulting me? 😕 Ohhh...🙁
/puts away party hats and poppers and attempts asphyxiation with a pillow but instead takes a nap because he fails at all he attempts...and he sleeps a lot 😴
I don't know why you are making a big deal. For one, you are severely overshooting when you argue 3.7, 3.8, 3.9's are getting deferred for my application. I'm pretty sure no one with those numbers is. The spots I am competing for are the 3.4, 3.5's. I think I am on the level of those individuals and the dental schools think so as well, otherwise I wouldn't get interviews.

 

[DonutEater]

I don't think this forum is meant for applicants who have 3.7+ gpa to be harsh to sub 3.5 gpa applicants and put down their hopes.
Also, we shouldn't brag about our gpa and say I have better gpa than you. This is a professional forum. We are not in junior high. Stop this nonsense and let adcoms do all the work.

 

[lmaozedong1]

Yayyy!!! I think Mr./Miss Aviator might be subliminally referring to me. 🙂
/starts to get out party hats and poppers 😀
Waiiit...are you insulting me? 😕 Ohhh...🙁
/puts away party hats and poppers and attempts asphyxiation with a pillow but instead takes a nap because he fails at all he attempts...and he sleeps a lot 😴
I don't know why you are making a big deal. For one, you are severely overshooting when you argue 3.7, 3.8, 3.9's are getting deferred for my application. I'm pretty sure no one with those numbers is. The spots I am competing for are the 3.4, 3.5's. I think I am on the level of those individuals and the dental schools think so as well, otherwise I wouldn't get interviews.

Well, I agree w/ the Aviator. So you think people w/ low GPA's should be in the same category as people w/ high GPA's?

 

[aelian]

Well, I agree w/ the Aviator. So you think people w/ low GPA's should be in the same category as people w/ high GPA's?

No, no, I quite agree with Aviator myself. People with sucky GPA's (<3.2) shouldn't take the spot of people with high GPA's (>3.7). What I feel Mr./Miss Aviator underappreciates are two things: the quantity of people with GPA's lower than 3.6 and that a GPA is indicative of a static academic performance rather than a dynamic development. As I explained to sir/madame Aviator previously, I had a 2.76 for my first 58 hours but a 3.66 for my last two years and a 3.523 for my last 5 semesters. I agree, I sucked but simply looking at GPA straightforward without looking at any trends can be flawed. I know people with high GPA's who have had 3.9's in their underclassmen years but dropped down to 3.7's and 3.6's because they couldn't get an A in their harder classes. I could get A's in my hard classes. Just not my baby bio. And I've tried my best to make up for my previous short comings.

 

[anonymoose2]

Well, I agree w/ the Aviator. So you think people w/ low GPA's should be in the same category as people w/ high GPA's?

There is so much more to an application than your GPA. GPA's are not standardized. They reflect your own undergrad institution. Therefore, they have the standardized DAT to put everyone on an equal playing field. It is a similar idea to normalizing data in statistics. Even if someone has a high DAT or GPA that doesn't mean they will be successful at the clinical parts of dentistry. There are so many other factors in selecting an applicant, hence the admissions committee.

 

[highhopee]

Well, I agree w/ the Aviator. So you think people w/ low GPA's should be in the same category as people w/ high GPA's?

If I was adcom, I would rather take in aelian who has 3.23 oGPA/3.05sGPA with a upward trend in gpa coupled to 23AA/23TS/no scores below 19 than you with 3.64 oGPA/3.55sGPA with 19AA/20TS/and a 14 in QR and may I add an arrogant personality. It doesn't seem logical that someone who pulled off a 3.64 oGPA doesn't have the competency to pull a 21+ AA even without much studying.

 

[DQLEUCD]

If I was adcom, I would rather take in aelian who has 3.23 oGPA/3.05sGPA with a upward trend in gpa coupled to 23AA/23TS/no scores below 19 than you with 3.64 oGPA/3.55sGPA with 19AA/20TS/and a 14 in QR and may I add an arrogant personality. It doesn't seem logical that someone who pulled off a 3.64 oGPA doesn't have the competency to pull a 21+ AA even without much studying.

Yeah, the numbers are really misleading aren't they. Sounds like he took the minimum course load and that is probably why the g.p.a. is high.

 

[cbizzle7994]

everyone knows that some universities give higher marks than others. thats just the way it is. DAT is equal for everyone. if a person is able to do so well in just about all of their classes and pull a 3.7+, why wouldn't he/she be able to ace the DAT. most likely the reasons are because either he/she slacked off and was overconfident or he/she didn't have to work as hard as others to earn that 3.7+ gpa

 

[aelian]

If I was adcom, I would rather take in aelian who has 3.23 oGPA/3.05sGPA with a upward trend in gpa coupled to 23AA/23TS/no scores below 19 than you with 3.64 oGPA/3.55sGPA with 19AA/20TS/and a 14 in QR and may I add an arrogant personality. It doesn't seem logical that someone who pulled off a 3.64 oGPA doesn't have the competency to pull a 21+ AA even without much studying.

If I were the Adcoms, I'd have to take Mr./Miss Lmao for a few reasons. He/she is a pretty safe pick.
And with his abs (I'm assuming he is a he based on those glossy man-pecs), he can afford a 14 QR.

 

[aelian]

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[molarbear]

No, no. I took an average of 15 hours my underclassmen years and I extended my graduation to take additional classes, only 9 hours. So my last 2 years, disregarding my last semester, I averaged 14 hours. Plus my last 3 semesters were all A's. And no, the last 4 semesters weren't slackoff hours. I took Biochem I and Biochem II and lab, A&P 1 and II, Physiology, Neuroscience, endocrinology, human genetics.

I believe DQLEUCD was talking about LMAOZEDONG1 having only taken the pre-reqs to keep his GPA high.

 

[DQLEUCD]

I believe DQLEUCD was talking about LMAOZEDONG1 having only taken the pre-reqs to keep his GPA high.

Yeah, sorry for the confusion.

 

[shiftypoptart]

Just a question for Pac, why would your BCP be way lower than your science GPA? The only course I took that counted as science and not BCP was calculus for two quarters and I did ****ty in it, thats why my BCP is actually higher than my science, but if yours is the reverse does that mean you took like 2 years of math to make up for bad scores in Biology, Chem, and physics? I dont get it... =/ Not trying to diss you or anything just wondering how this is possible.

 

[aelian]

Yeah, sorry for the confusion.

Oh, my apologies, good sir/ma'am. In return for my transgression, I hereby agree to donate my kidney (who needs two) when the time comes, for your situation with Lmao will inevitably escalate to Tupac/Biggie proportions, leading me to believe there may come a day when your kidney betrays you to elope with a bullet.

And for Shifty, I don't think your BCP gpa includes anything beside intro bio, your chemistry, and physics, predominately underclassmen courses. Classes like genetics and micro aren't included in that calculation. Unless I am greatly mistaken. And in which case, you are not entitled to my kidney. I think if I have 0 kidneys, I will not feel good. Not good at all. 🙁

 

[lnngu]

 

[peerless218]

GPA is the indication of a person's ability to survive or even excel in dental schools. DAT is an indication of seeing if you can do well on the boards by putting all the info you've learned in school and put them to good use on a stand. test.

There's a cut off pt because obviously schools wouldn't pick students who can't handle undergrad with a 2.5 over someone who's a 3.8 right? Also keep in mind that some people have to balance between working full time, going to school full time, and also trying to beef up their resume so that'll sometimes kill a person's GPA until he/she finds a good balance between all those areas.

Yes, some people might have like a 3.9 GPA...good, that means they can probably do REALLY well in dental school, didactically. However, can he pass his pre-clinical courses? People with 3.0.......ok maybe they won't be #1 of their class but they can still graduate and become an excellent clinicians, right? Don't forget, being a good dentist is not about book smarts, it's about being personable, leadership, having good communicating skills, being responsible, and having good hand skills. Maybe a person with low GPA didn't do that well of a 3.5 in school, but that doesn't mean that applicant won't do better than the person with a 3.5 in undergrad IN LIFE.

 

[Destiny11]

GPA is the indication of a person's ability to survive or even excel in dental schools. DAT is an indication of seeing if you can do well on the boards by putting all the info you've learned in school and put them to good use on a stand. test.

There's a cut off pt because obviously schools wouldn't pick students who can't handle undergrad with a 2.5 over someone who's a 3.8 right? Also keep in mind that some people have to balance between working full time, going to school full time, and also trying to beef up their resume so that'll sometimes kill a person's GPA until he/she finds a good balance between all those areas.

Yes, some people might have like a 3.9 GPA...good, that means they can probably do REALLY well in dental school, didactically. However, can he pass his pre-clinical courses? People with 3.0.......ok maybe they won't be #1 of their class but they can still graduate and become an excellent clinicians, right? Don't forget, being a good dentist is not about book smarts, it's about being personable, leadership, having good communicating skills, being responsible, and having good hand skills. Maybe a person with low GPA didn't do that well of a 3.5 in school, but that doesn't mean that applicant won't do better than the person with a 3.5 in undergrad IN LIFE.

👍👍

 

[Skateguitar]

GPA is the indication of a person's ability to survive or even excel in dental schools. DAT is an indication of seeing if you can do well on the boards by putting all the info you've learned in school and put them to good use on a stand. test.

There's a cut off pt because obviously schools wouldn't pick students who can't handle undergrad with a 2.5 over someone who's a 3.8 right? Also keep in mind that some people have to balance between working full time, going to school full time, and also trying to beef up their resume so that'll sometimes kill a person's GPA until he/she finds a good balance between all those areas.

Yes, some people might have like a 3.9 GPA...good, that means they can probably do REALLY well in dental school, didactically. However, can he pass his pre-clinical courses? People with 3.0.......ok maybe they won't be #1 of their class but they can still graduate and become an excellent clinicians, right? Don't forget, being a good dentist is not about book smarts, it's about being personable, leadership, having good communicating skills, being responsible, and having good hand skills. Maybe a person with low GPA didn't do that well of a 3.5 in school, but that doesn't mean that applicant won't do better than the person with a 3.5 in undergrad IN LIFE.

👍👍👍

 

[ItalianPrincess]

I just got a letter from Midwestern (AZ) saying my Science GPA/Overall GPA weren't above 2.75


That's BS! They're both over this! Do I call them? Are they talking about ONLY BCP? Or do they have a special formula I'm not aware of?



Lame.

i'm not reading anymore of this back and forth nonsense about what it 'should be' it is what it is and everyone making each other upset isnt gonna change anything

2PacClone23, Midwestern was prob referring to your BCP and just called it your science, i would def call and make sure tho.. sorry you got a rejection this early on that something works out

 

[iamgosu]

GPA is the indication of a person's ability to survive or even excel in dental schools. DAT is an indication of seeing if you can do well on the boards by putting all the info you've learned in school and put them to good use on a stand. test.

There's a cut off pt because obviously schools wouldn't pick students who can't handle undergrad with a 2.5 over someone who's a 3.8 right? Also keep in mind that some people have to balance between working full time, going to school full time, and also trying to beef up their resume so that'll sometimes kill a person's GPA until he/she finds a good balance between all those areas.

Yes, some people might have like a 3.9 GPA...good, that means they can probably do REALLY well in dental school, didactically. However, can he pass his pre-clinical courses? People with 3.0.......ok maybe they won't be #1 of their class but they can still graduate and become an excellent clinicians, right? Don't forget, being a good dentist is not about book smarts, it's about being personable, leadership, having good communicating skills, being responsible, and having good hand skills. Maybe a person with low GPA didn't do that well of a 3.5 in school, but that doesn't mean that applicant won't do better than the person with a 3.5 in undergrad IN LIFE.

i'm the 3rd one quoting this
so...
+3

aviator: you are really bad at arguing. My GPA is only 3.19, but I pulled off a DAT of 23 AA in less than 3 weeks of studying while taking 2 summer courses and still maintaining a social life. If you have a GPA of 3.6 or higher, you better be 23+ AA'ing in less than 1 month of studying too, since you "learned" so well at school.
Don't you know some schools inflate marks while others deflate marks?
the DAT is the only standardized method of reviewing applicants based solely on numbers....jeez

 

[shiftypoptart]

i'm the 3rd one quoting this
so...
+3

aviator: you are really bad at arguing. My GPA is only 3.19, but I pulled off a DAT of 23 AA in less than 3 weeks of studying while taking 2 summer courses and still maintaining a social life. If you have a GPA of 3.6 or higher, you better be 23+ AA'ing in less than 1 month of studying too, since you "learned" so well at school.
Don't you know some schools inflate marks while others deflate marks?
the DAT is the only standardized method of reviewing applicants based solely on numbers....jeez

Yep you have a point. It sucks that going to a specific school UC's "cough" "cough" you have so much more competition that you would at other schools which equates to a lower GPA. I was able to pull off a 21TS with a month of studying so I guess its somewhat redeeming. Yet you have others with 3.7+ gpas and cant get higher than an 18... Im sure discrepancies like this would affect your entrance right? I mean as ****ty as standardized testing is, its what the national boards are so a good DAT score should be seen better than an inflated GPA? But I dunno I'm sure there's someone who would disagree.

 

[jump11]

Yep you have a point. It sucks that going to a specific school UC's "cough" "cough" you have so much more competition that you would at other schools which equates to a lower GPA. I was able to pull off a 21TS with a month of studying so I guess its somewhat redeeming. Yet you have others with 3.7+ gpas and cant get higher than an 18... Im sure discrepancies like this would affect your entrance right? I mean as ****ty as standardized testing is, its what the national boards are so a good DAT score should be seen better than an inflated GPA? But I dunno I'm sure there's someone who would disagree.

Totally agree with this point. Not that I don't agree that GPA shouldn't be higher, but it was pretty tough where I went to school, and it didn't help that I struggled to find myself in the first 2 years of school. Those of you who did well all the way through have definitely earned your place in a dental school. On the other hand I think it's unfair to punish someone who has turned their life around and dedicated themselves to something, especially someone who has proven their competence with a standardized test such as the DAT. Hard work should be rewarded in either case, whether it be for 4 years or 2 years. Both of these are a pretty substantial amount of time and indicative of long-term focus in my opinion. Would it be nice if our first two years were different? Certainly, but I can't waste time wishing for things that I cannot change, and in fact all of us with lower starting GPA's just have to push on and do our best whether other pre-dents think we deserve to be there or not. Sorry for the lengthy post I felt that I had to weigh in on this because I'm in a similar situation as some others here.

 

[DrDDSman]

If schools do institute (and publicly acknowledge) a high cut off for GPA/DAT I think that its pretty bad business on their part, because lets face it...dental school is a business. If a school normally had 4,000 applications on average and then went to post a cut off at 3.5 and 20/20/20 DAT scores you would probably see # of applicants drop significantly. And for statistical (and competitive purposes) the acceptance ratio would increase, making the school look less competitive. So in the end, the school is generating less revenue and making itself look less competitive in the process. Again, bad business. It is what it is. For those of you who worked hard and got a 3.8+ 23+ there are just as many of us out there who worked just as hard to get a 3.4 and 20 DAT.

 

[Danny289]

Just for 10 minutes forget you are pre-dental student and put yourself in admission committee's shoes(hopefully you can do that). Then you will find out what, schools really are looking for.......
That is the reason they look to whole package not just numbers! for many schools which don't have pass/fail system, >78 is passing score.
what will be the guaranty the student with GPA<3.00 can survive in dental school? or maybe I revise the question How do the admission people know the student with GPA<3.00 can survive in dental school? for this reason there are post bachelor and master programs for serious students! 🙂 ( I hope you understand I am not talking about somebody having 2~ GPA for first two years college and finishing last two years with >3.8).
I know somebody got 3 interviews with DAT 17 and GPA 4.00 and got accepted to 2 schools and in meanwhile I know the student with DAT 19 and GPA 3.3 got nowhere......(her last year GPA was ~2.7)

 

[Destiny11]

Any update from MWU 2Pac?

 

[2PacClone23]

Any update from MWU 2Pac?

I called them today and the dude kept referring to my BCP GPA so I guess that's it.


WOW. FML. 1 Rejection already.

 

[MrBeans]

I called them today and the dude kept referring to my BCP GPA so I guess that's it.


WOW. FML. 1 Rejection already.

You'll be fine, keep your chin up! 🙂

There's better schools that you probably applied to anyway!

 

[Tommy43087]

Well, I agree w/ the Aviator. So you think people w/ low GPA's should be in the same category as people w/ high GPA's?

wtf do u mean by this? Same category?

The problem is you think GPA is everything....it's not. Application is def not dependent on just numbers, its dependent on the app as a whole (GPA, DAT, EC's, PS, LOR's). Who cares about the guy with the 4.0 that never did anything in his/her life. Dentistry really depends on personality and being personable with others. Obviously you dont fit that criteria. You better hope that doesnt show during your interviews.

 

[lmaozedong1]

wtf do u mean by this? Same category?

The problem is you think GPA is everything....it's not. Application is def not dependent on just numbers, its dependent on the app as a whole (GPA, DAT, EC's, PS, LOR's). Who cares about the guy with the 4.0 that never did anything in his/her life. Dentistry really depends on personality and being personable with others. Obviously you dont fit that criteria. You better hope that doesnt show during your interviews.

wtf do U mean by this? How does having a good GPA make you unperson-able? You sir, are a fool!

 

[i4everpaki]

Nah,

 

[Tommy43087]

wtf do U mean by this? How does having a good GPA make you unperson-able? You sir, are a fool!

Did i say having a good gpa makes you "unperson-able"? I was basing my judgment on what you have been saying.

 

[peerless218]

Wow, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. If number is the only thing that matters then why is there such a thing as a REVIEWING process for the application? Why don't we just all apply with ONLY our GPA and DAT scores? Like someone mentioned earlier, this is a professional forum and not a place for senseless argument WITH insults to each other and bragging what you've achieved. The mentality has got to change to some of you. Don't be harsh on people. You are striding to becoming a health professional and you SHOULD have compassion and not only caring about stats of facts.

Saying people shouldn't qualify to even apply to schools is kinda like saying people shouldn't have the right to health treatment at your office AT ALL if they can't pay the full $300 for a class I composite filling. Not everything is as clear as black and white and that's why adcom will take the time for each and every applicant to see if they're the right match for their school.

 

[aelian]

Wow, I can't believe people are still arguing about this. If number is the only thing that matters then why is there such a thing as a REVIEWING process for the application? Why don't we just all apply with ONLY our GPA and DAT scores? Like someone mentioned earlier, this is a professional forum and not a place for senseless argument WITH insults to each other and bragging what you've achieved. The mentality has got to change to some of you. Don't be harsh on people. You are striding to becoming a health professional and you SHOULD have compassion and not only caring about stats of facts.

Saying people shouldn't qualify to even apply to schools is kinda like saying people shouldn't have the right to health treatment at your office AT ALL if they can't pay the full $300 for a class I composite filling. Not everything is as clear as black and white and that's why adcom will take the time for each and every applicant to see if they're the right match for their school.

👍👍👍Cease arguments henceforth👍👍👍

 

[LaFleur]

This is a pointless argument, and I think an admin should shut this thread down, because it's not productive and it's getting pretty ugly.

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[LaFleur]

BTW Mr. Lmao, it's people like you with such narrow vision that make others feel like they shouldn't be posting on this website if they don't have a 3.99 and a 29 AA DAT. I've seen it happen.

Please try to be more open-minded if that's possible. Open mindedness and compassion are some things that are important in any type of health professional, and if you cannot be compassionate towards your peers who may have lost their way in college but have since taken the time to try to salvage what they can and worked their butts off to make up for it, how are you going to be compassionate towards your future patients? That isn't just something one can pick up. If your grades and scores are as good as you say they are, no 3.2 person is going to take your place (even with a great dat) unless you are socially handicapped. Since that doesn't seem to be the case from what you've said, it astounded me that you show no compassion towards others, especially when you say you have had "MANY hardships" in your own life.

Honestly, none of us can change our past, whether we screwed up or not, and therefore we can only change the present or the future. People applying to dschool with lower undergraduate gpas don't just sit on their asses, they go out and get a master's or take extra classes because they know that's what they need to do. As someone who has experienced hardships throughout college (that I'm probably not even going to mention to adcoms because I take full responsibility for my mistakes), I know that I (and probably everyone else with a low gpa) am already harsher on myself to a multitudinous degree when compared to how harsh you are on people with low gpas. Therefore, I really don't think that this kind of a negative attitude is helpful in the least (this also goes for anyone else who posted an inflammatory post--no one needs that) and the forum certainly doesn't need it.

The main thing that I find concerning, however is your lack of compassion. What would you do if you were in our shoes? Just give up on that dream because you can't make it or someone else "deserves it more?" Please. I bet you wouldn't. Put yourself in those shoes. What would you do? If you would give up, you are likely not half as strong as those who persevere and apply to dental school with a low gpa. If you would do anything in your power to get that gpa up, then why don't you think someone else should be afforded the same opportunity?

You're probably just going to say something like oh well I was focused from the beginning so I have a 4.0 why would I ever even put myself in someone else's position? Well, as the proverb goes: to understand a man, you have to walk a mile in his shoes, whether they fit or not.

And personally I think that bouncing back from something like a low gpa is one of the most powerful things. Way back when I was a lurker I read a post in the premed forum about how DO med students and residents oftentimes seem to have more fire than the MD ones because the DO's may be trying to make up for things like lower gpas or mcat scores as undergraduates and forever having an inferior degree (specialty programs after residency for ex will prefer MD to DO and DO schools generally have lower gpa averages than MD schools). I think the same logic could potentially work with dental students as well (though there's no way to prove that) since one appreciates something to a greater degree only after it has been taken away from him.



Anyway no one can make someone else be more open minded or compassionate if they themselves do not want to be. Therefore *at the very least* people should be respectful of each other, whether their views are extreme or not.

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[LaFleur]

2pac, don't worry about it too much, you did your best this cycle and hardly anyone gets into all the schools they apply to. Since you cannot change anything, just take it as it comes. I'm sure there will be some good news from other schools you've applied to.

Keep your chin up!

BTW thanks for the info. I don't think I'd be eligible for Midwestern due to low intro class scores, which is good to know. >.

 

[Dota]

lmaozedong is a communist

 

[lnngu]

2pac, don't worry about it too much, you did your best this cycle and hardly anyone gets into all the schools they apply to. Since you cannot change anything, just take it as it comes. I'm sure there will be some good news from other schools you've applied to.

Keep your chin up!

BTW thanks for the info. I don't think I'd be eligible for Midwestern due to low intro class scores, which is good to know. >.

*cough* uhhhh...before you give up on that... I don't want to make 2pac feel any worse, but I got an interview with some pretty embarrassing GPA scores.

Anyhoo, the point is: you sound like someone who's turned her life around of late. Have faith

 

[mprs]

The maturity level in this thread is alarmingly low. So I'll just quote the post that seems to be made by someone over the age of 3.

GPA is the indication of a person's ability to survive or even excel in dental schools. DAT is an indication of seeing if you can do well on the boards by putting all the info you've learned in school and put them to good use on a stand. test.

There's a cut off pt because obviously schools wouldn't pick students who can't handle undergrad with a 2.5 over someone who's a 3.8 right? Also keep in mind that some people have to balance between working full time, going to school full time, and also trying to beef up their resume so that'll sometimes kill a person's GPA until he/she finds a good balance between all those areas.

Yes, some people might have like a 3.9 GPA...good, that means they can probably do REALLY well in dental school, didactically. However, can he pass his pre-clinical courses? People with 3.0.......ok maybe they won't be #1 of their class but they can still graduate and become an excellent clinicians, right? Don't forget, being a good dentist is not about book smarts, it's about being personable, leadership, having good communicating skills, being responsible, and having good hand skills. Maybe a person with low GPA didn't do that well of a 3.5 in school, but that doesn't mean that applicant won't do better than the person with a 3.5 in undergrad IN LIFE.