My first semester at CWRU med.

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If memory serves me correctly, this time of year and the following few months should have 300 (or thereabouts) of you considering an admissions offer to Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine in Cleveland, Ohio. I’ve just finished my first semester there as an M1 (well, a few days left) and thought I would post my thoughts and comments. Hope this helps those of you considering CWRU for med school.

Our system is “organ based” and classes are arranged in the form of “committees”. A “committee” is essentially a class dedicated to one subject area. We have two types of committees, longitudinal and (for lack of a better word) “latitudinal”. A longitudinal committee is a class that spans the entire year. Gross Anatomy and Histopathology are examples of these. Our latitudinal committees span anywhere from two to five weeks. These are the organ based subject committees. Because longitudinal committees run the entire length of the year, they run concurrently with the latitudinal committees. We are in class from 8:00 to 12:00 or 8:00 to 1:00 five days a week. In addition to the basic sciences committees, CWRU also has a comprehensive final examination at the end of the first year.

This all sounds rather opaque. So how does this work? My last committee is illustrative: we just finished our cardiovascular committee which lasted two weeks (ten days of class). Depending on how many four hours days versus five hour days we had (I can’t recall how many of each) we had approximately 40 hours of instruction in cardiovascular material. Most of those hours (say 25-30) consisted of cardiovascular physiology taught by instructors from the Physiology Department (from instructors who specialize in cardiovascular physiology, presumably). About 6-8 hours of instruction originated from the Department of Anatomy. This consisted of approximately 2 hours of anatomy “lecture” and four to six hours of laboratory time with the cadaver. Finally, we had several hours of instruction regarding the histology of the cardiovascular system from the department of histology. This consisted of a few hours of lecture followed by a few hours of laboratory with the microscopes. Hence, over the past two weeks we dedicated ALL of our instructional time to the cardiovascular system but we had three committees running concurrently. The largest was the “latitudinal” subject committee where we learned about (among other things) the various regulatory mechanisms that control the cardiovascular system. At the same time, we dissected and studied the human heart within the context of the Gross Anatomy longitudinal subject committee AND we studied the histology of cardiomyocytes and vascular tissue within the context of the Histology longitudinal committee. ALL instruction, including ALL lab periods were confined to the hours between 8am to 12 or 1. There is no basic science lab or instructional material in the afternoons at all at Case.

Grading of the basic sciences committees at CWRU is strictly pass/fail on a yearly basis. This means that for each of the two years, only one grade is given, P of F (hence, the transcript says, for instance:

Year 1 Pass
Year 2 Pass.

This means that your individual performance on any one committee is not reflected on your transcript as long as you pass enough committees to receive a P for the year. Which raises an interesting question: Just how many committee may one fail before he receives an F for the year? As far as I can tell, there is no clear answer to this question. You are probably safe failing 2 or perhaps 3, but no more. But that is a guess.

Each latitudinal committee is followed by an examination (called an “interim examination”). This examination tests all the material taught over the preceding weeks. Concurrent (and seamlessly integrated) with the latitudinal committee, the longitudinal committee examinations are also given. Hence, on exam day for, say, the neuromuscular subject committee we answered questions not only about the physiology of the neuromuscular junction but also anatomy questions about the muscles in the arm and leg and histology questions about the cytology of neurons. We also participated in a “practical” examination of the muscles and bones of all the limbs and extremities. Because this examination marks the termination of instruction for the neuromuscular subject committee, we receive a preliminary grade for that committee within about 10 minutes of finishing the examination (and a final grade within about a week). This ALSO marks the end of instruction regarding the neuromuscular system for both histology and gross anatomy as well. BUT, it does NOT mark the end of instruction for those committees in general (remember, they are longitudinal, and therefore span the entire year). Hence, the grades we get for those represent only a part of the final grade we will get in these committees. All grading is numerical, and each committee sets their own passing score. If your numerical score is above the passing score, you get a P. Simple.

Every student is assigned his own desk in one of three large rooms. Each desk has its own power outlet and internet connection. We are also issued a new dell laptop computer (as part of the basic tuition cost) on which we take ALL examinations.

As I said, all basic science instruction occurs in the mornings, five days a week. ALL of this instruction is strictly OPTIONAL. You may attend as many or as few lectures and laboratories as your heart desires. A day or two before each committee we receive written syllabi (notes) for every single lecture in the committee. In addition to that, every lecture is also streamed on the internet – so you can watch them at your leisure. Everybody’s mileage with this system will vary. You just have to figure out where you are and what works best for you. It has been absolutely fantastic for me because I have a wife and kids and I live about 25 minutes from campus. I made it to class exactly two times in the past six weeks. I don’t watch the lectures either because I find the written syllabi to be very good. I promise you it is possible to do well with this system – studying ONLY the material in the written syllabi, I am doing extremely well. Again, though, you may be a lecture person. That’s cool. We still have those here also.

There are a few things that are NOT optional, however. These are the Science of Clinical Practice (SCP) committee, the Physical Diagnosis committee (which, to tell you the truth, may simply be a part of the SCP committee – I have not figured that our yet), the Family Medicine Clinic and our “electives”.

SCP meets every Tuesday morning from 8 to 10. This is the only formal mixing of the CWRU students with the Cleveland Clinic med students. We meet in small groups (or sometimes as a large group) and discuss things like reform of the medical malpractice system, how to do online medical research, etc. These sessions are mandatory but otherwise minimally invasive. As I understand it, one may get Honors, High Pass, Pass and Fail for this. Not sure, though.

Physical Diagnosis meets once a week in the evenings. This is also mandatory. We spend a few hours learning how to do a particular exam (say, cardiovascular) and then practice it on a “standardized patient. I think this is fairly worthwhile. It only meets for the first semester (hence, we just finished it) but I think I got A LOT out of it. For instance, I had NO CLUE how to take a blood pressure or check for an upper nerve injury. But now I do – so that’s cool.

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Electives are offered in the afternoons. There are approximately 100 to choose from. They each last six weeks (two hours a week) and you get one elective credit for each. You’ll need 13 of these credits to get past second year. These are generally non-demanding and sometimes interesting. My last one consisted of going to the surgical ICU once a week. Each time we learned about and observed a new procedure (like putting in a central line, for instance). No tests. Just be present. These are cool because you get exposure to a bunch of different areas of medicine in a non-demanding and stress-free way.

The final mandatory activity is the Family Medicine Clinic. Shortly after arriving at Case you will be assigned a real live patient. You can choose from an elderly patient, a pregnant patient or an adolescent. Most choose OB (as I have). Basically you follow the OB patient one each visit (and take her calls between visits) until the baby is born. Then you follow the baby until the end of the second year. This experience ranges from good to extraordinary depending on your relationship with your patient and your preceptor/doctor. Mine is extraordinary. I see my patient at a family medical clinic on the west side of town. I conduct the interview and examination on my own and then report to my preceptor. He comes in and we do it all again (because, after all, I know virtually nothing). But it CAN be really hands on if you want it to be. After my appointment, I normally hang around and see other patients as well – learning a ton. I think being able to do patient interviews and examination in a semi-autonomous way is great preparation for clinicals in year 3. This is probably one of the best aspects of the CWRU program. Integrated with this we have various examination and history taking workshops throughout the year. The push toward clinical competence at CWRU seems to be a big part of the program. As I understand it, the Cleveland Clinic people do even more of this stuff, though with less single-patient continuity.

In my estimation, everything I have discussed so far represents a reason to attend CWRU rather than run away from it screaming. It’s been the perfect program for me so far and I think I’m learning everything I need to be. The examinations seem fair and comprehensive.

There are, of course, some “cons” that one may want to consider. In my estimation cost is the largest one. It’s obscenely expensive. Like most private medical schools, the yearly budget is simply breathtaking (about $52,000 this year) which, in my estimation is simply too high no matter how great the education may be. Moreover, the actual medical school facilities are not anything to write home about. Our anatomy labs are too cramped and the lecture halls have not been changed since the mid 1970’s (as far as I can tell – though I don’t spend any time in them, so I guess I don’t care). All of this in sharp contrast to the facilities at the Cleveland Clinic, which are fantastic no matter how you slice it.

Anyway, this info has a “sell by date” on it. The school is overhauling the curriculum sometime in the next several years. So, things may change.

Overall, I am very happy here. If anybody has any questions, ask away.

Judd
 
Fermata said:
How's your family doing?

Trying to kill me . . . . slowly. But otherwise very good.

Judd
 
Great post judd. I love case. woo hoo!
 
Why won't Case show me some love? The "hold list" is killing me!
 
dopaminophile said:
Why won't Case show me some love? The "hold list" is killing me!

me too... 😳
 
Jason110 said:
me too... 😳
You and me... we'll stick together buddy. Resist the hold!!!
 
juddson,
hey do you have any info on the "inside" scoop on cclcm? i think i know a lot about their curriculum...but im just wondering about everything else? gossip? rumors? thanks!

ps. hope your family is taking good care of you and not killing you 😉
 
dopaminophile said:
You and me... we'll stick together buddy. Resist the hold!!!

Why are you leaving me out?? 🙁 🙁
 
How are your classmates? Competitive? Workaholic?
Do you guys hang out at all? How often per week?

I heard your year was more cutthroat than previous classes...do you think this is true?
 
Thanks from another hold-listee 😉. Tons of great info, I really appreciate your taking the time to lay it all out.
 
uclabruin2003 said:
juddson,
hey do you have any info on the "inside" scoop on cclcm? i think i know a lot about their curriculum...but im just wondering about everything else? gossip? rumors? thanks!

ps. hope your family is taking good care of you and not killing you 😉

I don't know much about any rumours or gosip.

I CAN say that they are in a different place than we are. I attend small group sessions over there every tuesday morning and the stuff they have up on their dry erase boards is WAY different than what we are studying. They appear to spend a lot of time discussing patient presentations, lab results, diagnostic results, etc., as well as possible diagnoses for various conditions. On the other hand, I couldn't tell you what blood gas tests for, let alone what any of the results might mean. So, they appear to be much more clinically based than we are. That said, I'm not sure they are grounded quite as well in the basic sciences and physiology at this point. So, I think we are just coming at things from a different angle at this point. These two programs will obviously have to converge at the same place at some point (presumably sometime before Step 1).

Judd
 
funshine said:
How are your classmates? Competitive? Workaholic?
Do you guys hang out at all? How often per week?

I heard your year was more cutthroat than previous classes...do you think this is true?

Well, I don't spend very much time at school - and quite frankly I'm kind of in a different place than most of them. But I can say that there is NO sense of competition whatsoever. All the exams are pass/fail. What's to compete on? Nobody seems to be a "workaholic" and everybody seems very nice and helpful. I don't have any idea about the previous class, but nothing here is "cutthroat". There are no grades, no evaluations of any kind. What's to be cutthroat about? I would say that while med school has been more work than I ever dreamed it would be, it has also been utterly stress-free in terms of competition. There just simply isn't any at all.

Exmike can back me up on that.

judd
 
go case! cant wait to be there on the 4th!!!

thanks so much for the inside scoop judd. what do you have to say about cleveland and the social scene?
 
Thanks a lot. This was a great post! I can't wait til August! I'm definitely coming to Case! I withdrew from other places as soon as I got the good word from CWRU.

Very informational post. Good luck with the rest of school! 🙂
 
Thanks so much for all the great info! I'm having a "really-want-to-go-to-CWRU" kind of week. Like many, I think the only thing holding me back is the price (and maybe the weather since I'm from CA, but I lived in snow the last 4 years so I'll deal). I love Case's program/curriculum and think it's the perfect school for me. The CA school I'm likely to get into doesn't exactly have the cheapest tuition (d#@$ budget crisis!) and I didn't really like it's program/facilities/location. Do you think Case is worth being an extra 50k in the hole at the end? (not that I can really comprehend how much $ that is right now)
 
juddson said:
Well, I don't spend very much time at school - and quite frankly I'm kind of in a different place than most of them. But I can say that there is NO sense of competition whatsoever. All the exams are pass/fail. What's to compete on? Nobody seems to be a "workaholic" and everybody seems very nice and helpful. I don't have any idea about the previous class, but nothing here is "cutthroat". There are no grades, no evaluations of any kind. What's to be cutthroat about? I would say that while med school has been more work than I ever dreamed it would be, it has also been utterly stress-free in terms of competition. There just simply isn't any at all.

Exmike can back me up on that.

judd

Seriously, competition at case? whats that? On the nights before exams, the schools is deserted, noone is left here cramming. For example, last sunday, the night before our cardiovascular exam, i came home from picking up an interviewee at the airport and seven of my classmates were watching desperate housewives with my roommate (another first year) on our bigscreen TV. It was funny because I was telling the interviewee on the way back how laid back the class was but I was struggling to find a really good example of how non competitive case is. This is how med school should be!
 
ravi said:
Why are you leaving me out?? 🙁 🙁
Ah Ravi, Kazema! Didn't mean to leave you out!! Lets form a Case hold list support group. I ache with dissatisfaction from Case...

Hi. I'm Dope and I'm a hold-listee

everyone: Hi Dope!
 
dopaminophile said:
Ah Ravi, Kazema! Didn't mean to leave you out!! Lets form a Case hold list support group. I ache with dissatisfaction from Case...

Hi. I'm Dope and I'm a hold-listee

everyone: Hi Dope!

hi dope. hope you get in.
 
exmike said:
hi dope. hope you get in.

I hope we all get in! 🙂 🙂 Is that too much to ask? 🙁
 
dopaminophile said:
Ah Ravi, Kazema! Didn't mean to leave you out!! Lets form a Case hold list support group. I ache with dissatisfaction from Case...

Hi. I'm Dope and I'm a hold-listee

everyone: Hi Dope!

Hi Dope, I hope we will here good news from Case in near future. Are you planning to write any LOIs?
 
ravi said:
I hope we all get in! 🙂 🙂 Is that too much to ask?
Indeed, they ought to have a special adcom meeting in which they accept all members of the SDN hold-list support group. That way they can dissolve the organization that breeds so much discontent yet has so many swell chaps and chapetts. Do we have any chapetts?
 
dopaminophile said:
Indeed, they ought to have a special adcom meeting in which they accept all members of the SDN hold-list support group. That way they can dissolve the organization that breeds so much discontent yet has so many swell chaps and chapetts. Do we have any chapetts?

Pardon my ignorance, I am not sure what chapett is (I know chap). I am asuming it is female version of chap. If it is......., then here I am. 😀 😀
 
dopaminophile said:
Thanks man, me too.

Dope, if you express even half the level of excitement to the adcoms that you do here at SDN, they'd be crazy not to accept you. Get those LOI's sent! I'm pullin' for you!
 
Mr. Seeds said:
Dope, if you express even half the level of excitement to the adcoms that you do here at SDN, they'd be crazy not to accept you. Get those LOI's sent! I'm pullin' for you!

Thanks Mr. Seeds! The 11/22 gang is sticking together. Congrats on your Case accept and on Loyola. Right now if its not Case for me it'll be Loyola most likely... maybe I'll see you at one of the two!

Ravi... that's awesome that you hacked through my mangling of the English language! It's a rare skill that anyone can figure out what I'm saying at all. As a co-founder of the hold-list support group, hopefully I'll see you at Case too!
 
dopaminophile said:
Ravi... that's awesome that you hacked through my mangling of the English language! It's a rare skill that anyone can figure out what I'm saying at all. As a co-founder of the hold-list support group, hopefully I'll see you at Case too!

HOOOPEFULLY... :luck: :luck:
 
I want to be at Case too. Better get cracking on that letter of intent (after my final tomorrow of course)...

Good luck everyone. Hope to see y'all at Case... I so wanna get off this hold list.

Jason
 
Great post. Really valuable to those of us feeling Case right now.

Where do most of the students live? What is the neighborhood like? Do students go out together (bars/clubs/sports)? What is campus social life like (intramural sports/clubs)? What neighborhoods should new students look at for apartments/houses?
 
too all the acceptees, can wait to see you guys in august!

and to the holdees, good luck! we're all pulling for you.

just a question, does case have a second look weekend? when is it? and do they pay for anything?

Thanks!
 
would like to know the same.....esp about where i should live.

fakin' the funk said:
Great post. Really valuable to those of us feeling Case right now.

Where do most of the students live? What is the neighborhood like? Do students go out together (bars/clubs/sports)? What is campus social life like (intramural sports/clubs)? What neighborhoods should new students look at for apartments/houses?
 
anotherhopeful said:
too all the acceptees, can wait to see you guys in august!

and to the holdees, good luck! we're all pulling for you.

just a question, does case have a second look weekend? when is it? and do they pay for anything?

Thanks!


bump...I'd like to know about second look weekend as well (i.e. if they have one and if they do...when?) thanks! 🙂
 
Last year we did not have an official second look weekend. I don't think Case has one. This means, of course, that no money is available.

As far as living arrangements, most people live in the community directly east and southeast of the campus. Most people walk to school (about 5 to 10 minutes depending) and generally have few complaints. This is the Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights communities. This is not the case for the Cleveland Clinic, BTW. There is essentially no housing without walkng distance of CCLCM.

Judd
 
how is the area around case, and cleveland in general? i loved the school when i interviewed, but from what i saw of the area i wasn't that impressed...how safe would you say it is around the school? is there a lot to do in terms of the social scene?

thanks for all the info - i reallly appreciated your great post about the curriculum judd! case sounds like an awesome place!
 
bump for info and bump for the hold-list support group!
 
there have been rumblings of putting together a second look weekend. how much interest is there?
 
I would go if I were accepted. But second-looks don't include waitlisted folk
 
juddson said:
There is essentially no housing without walkng distance of CCLCM.

:scared: I guess you better tell that to my host, who lived 1/2 block north of the CC. All along Chester and north there are apartments and houses. And on the south side of the CC, right across the street, there is a neighborhood. Not pretty, but a neighborhood all the same.

Or perhaps you mean no overpriced neighborhoods where rich med students would live?
 
exmike said:
there have been rumblings of putting together a second look weekend. how much interest is there?


I would definitely be interested in a second look weekend!! =)

Is there any way you could coordinate with CCLCM's 2nd look? I'm accepted at and interested in both schools, but wouldn't want to make two separate trips to Cleveland...
 
ms. myers from cclcm said that the revisit is the first weekend of april i believe on a thurs and fri. so you can check out case on sat and sun if you wish since there is no formal revisit (i believe). anyways.....i hope you all who got into cclcm pick it over case!
 
juddson said:
Last year we did not have an official second look weekend. I don't think Case has one. This means, of course, that no money is available.

Hmmm... during my interview, the students I was speaking to told me "definitely come to the second look weekend if you are accepted." "It's what sold the school for me." yadda yadda yadda... These were students I spoke to during the "rap session for minority students" (yes, that's ACTUALLY what it was called...). Is it possible there's a second look weekend just for minority students?? Don't know how I feel about that if that's true...

btw, thanks SO MUCH for the info. I'm seriously considering Case for next year, and this post helped a lot...
 
uclabruin2003 said:
anyways.....i hope you all who got into cclcm pick it over case!

Yes, Yes.... pick CCLCM over Case, so that we people on the hold list can get a chance..... 😀 . Just kidding! 😀 For those who already got into Case or CCLCM, CONGRATULATIONS 👍 . I don't know much about CCLCM, but I heard lots of good stuff about it. Case is an awesome school too. I wish they show some love to SDN hold list bunch.
 
fakin' the funk said:
:scared: I guess you better tell that to my host, who lived 1/2 block north of the CC. All along Chester and north there are apartments and houses. And on the south side of the CC, right across the street, there is a neighborhood. Not pretty, but a neighborhood all the same.

Or perhaps you mean no overpriced neighborhoods where rich med students would live?

speaking as a former cleveland resident of 20 years::
i'd wholeheartedly agree with the case student who said *most* students live in shaker/cleveland heights... some students live on the near west side (ohio city), near the west side market and take the rapid transit to case ($1 or 1.25 each way, i think)...
historically, the area around clinic is known for lots of crime and not much safe housing. doesnt mean everyone there gets mugged/broken into/accosted, it just means that the housing there is less desireable... and in my opinion, the price difference for moving another 5-10 min away is WAY worth it. ask your host about those loud "POP" noises late at night. those aren't backfiring cars.
clinic moved in big-time in the past 10-20 years and all the new buildings kind of rejuvenated the area, but it still didnt address the fact that those neighborhoods are really low income and above avg. crime... little by little, the area will get nicer as more money is dumped into it for development and such, but cleveland will always face inner-city low income problems (e.g. crime, not much money for infrastructure, etc) until it gets a reliable industry for its working class citizens (i.e. the steel mills closed, a large chunk of people moved out of the city to the suburbs and you see the results if you follow chester/euclid west, towards downtown (dilpidated buildings, houses etc.))

so, rich med students pick the overpriced neighborhoods because those are safer and just as close. those neighborhoods became overpriced because they were safer and the university population moved there as a result, increasing demand..... the university circle area has a lot of students and employs a lot of people...

edit: north along chester, some newer housing units went up in the past few years, but neighborhoods change character slowly.
 
jtown said:
speaking as a former cleveland resident of 20 years::
i'd wholeheartedly agree with the case student who said *most* students live in shaker/cleveland heights... some students live on the near west side (ohio city), near the west side market and take the rapid transit to case ($1 or 1.25 each way, i think)...
historically, the area around clinic is known for lots of crime and not much safe housing. doesnt mean everyone there gets mugged/broken into/accosted, it just means that the housing there is less desireable... and in my opinion, the price difference for moving another 5-10 min away is WAY worth it. ask your host about those loud "POP" noises late at night. those aren't backfiring cars.
clinic moved in big-time in the past 10-20 years and all the new buildings kind of rejuvenated the area, but it still didnt address the fact that those neighborhoods are really low income and above avg. crime... little by little, the area will get nicer as more money is dumped into it for development and such, but cleveland will always face inner-city low income problems (e.g. crime, not much money for infrastructure, etc) until it gets a reliable industry for its working class citizens (i.e. the steel mills closed, a large chunk of people moved out of the city to the suburbs and you see the results if you follow chester/euclid west, towards downtown (dilpidated buildings, houses etc.))

so, rich med students pick the overpriced neighborhoods because those are safer and just as close. those neighborhoods became overpriced because they were safer and the university population moved there as a result, increasing demand..... the university circle area has a lot of students and employs a lot of people...

edit: north along chester, some newer housing units went up in the past few years, but neighborhoods change character slowly.

does a safer area necessarily mean better housing (renovated, cleaner, more spacious, etc.)

safety is not really an issue for me but i do care about the inside of the house/apartment itself.
 
funshine said:
does a safer area necessarily mean better housing (renovated, cleaner, more spacious, etc.)

safety is not really an issue for me but i do care about the inside of the house/apartment itself.

you'd probably have to go by the age/price range to estimate the quality... the ones that i think are being referred to as the 'rich med student neighborhood' are nice inside (thinking of overlook area).... hardwood floors, high ceilings, fairly spacious... i havent been inside any of the new units in the E.100 area (cclcm area)... shaker/east cleveland (e. 125-128) has nice apartments and alright houses/duplexes... some of the shaker square apts are ritzy, but i'm guessing price alone would shy a med student away from those.

there are some crappy houses in really safe areas too (further SE)... usually the rentals (unfortunately)... but that's what you get in a 50-100 year old house... leaky insulation, slow hot water, creaky floors/doors/windows
 
jtown said:
you'd probably have to go by the age/price range to estimate the quality... the ones that i think are being referred to as the 'rich med student neighborhood' are nice inside (thinking of overlook area).... hardwood floors, high ceilings, fairly spacious... i havent been inside any of the new units in the E.100 area (cclcm area)... shaker/east cleveland (e. 125-128) has nice apartments and alright houses/duplexes... some of the shaker square apts are ritzy, but i'm guessing price alone would shy a med student away from those.

there are some crappy houses in really safe areas too (further SE)... usually the rentals (unfortunately)... but that's what you get in a 50-100 year old house... leaky insulation, slow hot water, creaky floors/doors/windows

thanks! do most students find roommates over the summer before they start med school or somthing?
or do you live by yourself first year (if you don't know anyone) ?
or place ads?
 
ravi said:
Yes, Yes.... pick CCLCM over Case, so that we people on the hold list can get a chance..... 😀 . Just kidding! 😀 For those who already got into Case or CCLCM, CONGRATULATIONS 👍 . I don't know much about CCLCM, but I heard lots of good stuff about it. Case is an awesome school too. I wish they show some love to SDN hold list bunch.


cclcm is such a great program! you really should have applied to it. i guess the second best program would be the university one...ha. jk
 
uclabruin2003 said:
cclcm is such a great program! you really should have applied to it. i guess the second best program would be the university one...ha. jk

No research experience 🙁 , otherwise why would I miss such a great oppurtunity?
 
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