My med school experience + random advice

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Hi handetalc, thanks a lot for this thread.

I had a question about feeling quesy/lightheaded (at the sight of blood) in medical school. Is this something students may feel but eventually get used to after enough exposure?

I've wanted to be a doctor ever since high school, mainly because I am interested in the human body and the concept of helping people heal. I've shadowed surgeons before and I seem to do fine after what I call a "warmup period." Basically if it's the first time I'm seeing something I'll get sweaty and a bit uncomfortable, but then after I've seen it for a while it's all fine. But for some reason if I don't shadow for say two months and then go back to the ER, I seem to get all sweaty and light-headed all over again as if it's my first time 🙁

I'm hoping that this is something that I can train myself to get over? When I visited med schools for interviews I didn't mind looking at cadavers whatsoever. And pictures in textbooks or movies of procedures/diseases don't phase me at all, it's just real-life surgery. Do you think that the first two years of school will help me overcome my weird "phobia" (for lack of a better word)? Do you know anyone that was like me before entering medical school and seemed to do just fine?

I can't imagine pursuing anything other than medicine, but I'm just concerned about this hangup of mine 🙁

A good friend of mine (who is pre-med) has the same concern, actually. One thing I can recommend is for you to stay hydrated and to brace yourself mentally at the sight of blood. Or you can try intellectualizing it, thinking about all the components of blood and how it has lymphocytes, plasma cells, immunoglobulins, blah blah blah. Or the night before a surgery, for example, perhaps watch some videos or flip through anatomy photo atlases or something.

I was lucky enough not to have this problem. I do remember early M1 year though, when I was anxious about dissecting cadavers. It was a bit harder for me to eat meat for a few days after the first anatomy labs. But there's a rapid adjustment period. After a few sessions, it didn't bother me at all and I could each lunch right after lab.:laugh:
 
I did the above, and sucked up enough to put in 1 chest tube, take out about 8 chest tubes, and do 1 central line.

Basically I was told by 1 surgeon at my institution: "I don't care what you want to do....if a surgeon asks you what specialty you want to do, you say surgery." I took his advise/threat, and in retrospect, I probably would have gotten out earlier most days if I hadn't ever said that.

Hahaha, that is funny as hell. You're right though.

But I also remember saying I was interested in Pathology, which really seemed to irritate some attendings and residents because I wasn't going to be seeing patients. They just assumed that I wasn't interested in their specialty, which probably didn't work to my advantage on my evaluations.
 
A good friend of mine (who is pre-med) has the same concern, actually. One thing I can recommend is for you to stay hydrated and to brace yourself mentally at the sight of blood. Or you can try intellectualizing it, thinking about all the components of blood and how it has lymphocytes, plasma cells, immunoglobulins, blah blah blah. Or the night before a surgery, for example, perhaps watch some videos or flip through anatomy photo atlases or something.

I was lucky enough not to have this problem. I do remember early M1 year though, when I was anxious about dissecting cadavers. It was a bit harder for me to eat meat for a few days after the first anatomy labs. But there's a rapid adjustment period. After a few sessions, it didn't bother me at all and I could each lunch right after lab.:laugh:

But have you eaten the sandwhich off the cadaver like Gone in 60 Seconds? This could be your youtube coming out party.......think about it. 🙂
 
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How's M1 anatomy class and lab like anyways? I heard it's the hardest class of the preclinical years.
 
How's M1 anatomy class and lab like anyways? I heard it's the hardest class of the preclinical years.
Not even close. It just seems intimidating, and it's the first class you usually take. Pharm was MUCH worse, and micro, path and phys were definitely harder than anatomy.
 
What an awesome thread!

My question -- what did you do the summer before M-I, and what do you WISH you had done instead?
 
What an awesome thread!

My question -- what did you do the summer before M-I, and what do you WISH you had done instead?

I spent a week as a camp counselor at a Diabetes Camp. The rest of the time I did absolutely nothing productive....beach, gym, lake, beer, fun.

I wouldn't have changed a thing. Make sure to take time to relax. You have plenty of time to stress later.
 
I think it's a lot like working in the real world. I've been working in a corporate job for a few years now, and it's not about how hard you work - it's how smart you work. If they don't like you, you can work your butt off, and you still won't get promoted. If they do like you, you can get away with quite a bit, and still get promoted. It's all about presentation and hard work. I think as premeds that's a bit foreign to us because we're used to putting an X amount of hours to get whatever grade we're shooting for. For us, it seems weird that it's not only based on hard work, but also on how they perceive us.

True true true x1000. I've worked for several years after college too, and establishing relationships in the workplace is hugely important. ESPECIALLY if the job is in a hospital setting, I have found. I've worked in different settings- corporate setting, hospital setting, home setting (providing personal care in the client's home).

Out of all the environments, the hospital setting was THE worst, in terms of difficult personalities (I'm talking coworkers, not patients 🙄), social politics, hierarchical hazing, scut work, etc. etc. So I definitely don't think it's just about having work experience or not having work experience... the hospital is a special kind of place-- oftentimes, it's high pressure, fast paced work, an overflow of patients combined with under staffing. To give just one example of how hospitals are different, it's not enough to just do one's own work well and efficiently. If you don't spent at least as much time shooting the breeze with others, kissing up to your immediate superior, etc., you're gonna have people talk crap about you & basically lie about you on evaluations, saying you don't do work (wtf?) or whatever. Otoh, there are people who really DON'T do any work, spend practically all their time talking/socializing, and they get great evaluations. It wasn't about the quality of your work; it was about "fitting in" with the old-timers.

There was also the thing of, if you're seen as too capable at your job, sometimes people higher up on the hierarchy get jealous or for whatever reason, want to "put you in your place" by assigning you all kinds of unnecessary scut work. Not everyone was like this of course. But there were definitely a significant number of insecure folks who would do this. I guess doctors dump on them quite a bit too, and it just kind of trickles downward, where they want to establish their authority.

It was definitely a bit of a hazing experience, but by the end of my tenure there, I finally learned how to hold my own a little bit. Reading about what people go through 3rd year, I can definitely see why many people seem kind of scarred by the experience :laugh:

The things I realized were especially important about the hospital:

1) Respect the hierarchy at all costs

Even if your immediate supervisor is a douche. Especially if your immediate supervisor is a douche. Just pretend you're in the army. "Yes, sir/ma'am!"

2) Be a teamplayer

From my experiences doing home care for clients, I had developed the bad habit of working pretty independently. I felt like my main focus should be the patients and taking care of their needs. But, no. If your sup wants you to go do something while you're in the middle of helping a patient, do NOT try to explain you're helping the patient; drop everything and do what your sup wants you to do. It kind of goes hand in hand with # 1, respect the hierarchy. This seriously took some time for me to process and figure out. Even tho' I had previous work experience in a corporate setting, this was so different. People would often be exceedingly unprofessional too. For whatever reason, get used to seeing unprofessional, outrageous behavior at the hospital.


3) Don't neglect socializing

Do this however you want to-- whether it's through just asking Qs, or volunteering to do things/help with something, or simply taking the time to chat on a more personal level. Your eval really IS about these fluffy thing as much as it is about your actual knowledge/work. Unfortunately or fortunately, that appears to be how things work.

Any thoughts med students? Those were just some things I figured out for myself after my experiences there... of course being a MSIII in a hospital is bound to be different than working at the hospital at the bottom of the totem pole. But I think there's probably going to be some significant similarities there too. I've worked in many different settings, but out of all of them, nothing compares to working at the hospital. It seems to bring out the best & worst in people.
 
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I have 2 questions:

1) is getting matched for cardiology real competitive? how does it weigh against derm, radiology, etc?

2) why is surgery not competitive? is what makes a given field competitive simply the hours and money? in that case, shouldn't cardiology be competitive? cardiologists make a crapload of money.
 
I have 2 questions:

1) is getting matched for cardiology real competitive? how does it weigh against derm, radiology, etc?

2) why is surgery not competitive? is what makes a given field competitive simply the hours and money? in that case, shouldn't cardiology be competitive? cardiologists make a crapload of money.
Cardiology isn't a residency, its a fellowship after internal medicine residency. And because you apply later stage in your career it is difficult to compare competitiveness with specialties such as derm and radiology.
 
I have 2 questions:

1) is getting matched for cardiology real competitive? how does it weigh against derm, radiology, etc?

2) why is surgery not competitive? is what makes a given field competitive simply the hours and money? in that case, shouldn't cardiology be competitive? cardiologists make a crapload of money.

FYI, cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. You match into IM, do the 3 year residency, and then you do a fellowship in cardiology for 3 years
 
FYI, cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. You match into IM, do the 3 year residency, and then you do a fellowship in cardiology for 3 years


er, yes I know that. sorry, wasn't specific enough in my question.

okay, so among fellowships, how competitive is cardiology?
 
How's M1 anatomy class and lab like anyways? I heard it's the hardest class of the preclinical years.

Anatomy was pretty challenging to me for whatever reason. Didn't seem too bad for others though. I had the opposite experience with histology...I actually really liked it and got decent at basic histo, while others seemed to struggle.

For anatomy, I would purchase Rohen's Color Atlas of Anatomy. It has really nice photographs of cadavers, organ systems, etc. and is really good for self-study. It's a hell of a lot more efficient than going into the actual lab, dealing with the smell, and wasting time fishing around fascia and knocking out fat.
 
I spent a week as a camp counselor at a Diabetes Camp. The rest of the time I did absolutely nothing productive....beach, gym, lake, beer, fun.

I wouldn't have changed a thing. Make sure to take time to relax. You have plenty of time to stress later.

I did absolutely nothing as well. I tried to plan a Europe trip, but plans fell through after a good friend couldn't go.

If I were to do anything over again, I'd have gone by myself.

No work, no studying.
 
er, yes I know that. sorry, wasn't specific enough in my question.

okay, so among fellowships, how competitive is cardiology?

I'm not an expert, but what I've read on the forums, especially thanks to dragonfly's advice, it seems that cards is quite competitive. You must go through not one, but two competitive applications and do well. It requires scores, LORs, pubs, etc. Also, you must essentially be a US Allo and train in IM at a larger university.

correct me if I'm wrong...
 
True true true x1000. I've worked for several years after college too, and establishing relationships in the workplace is hugely important. ESPECIALLY if the job is in a hospital setting, I have found. I've worked in different settings- corporate setting, hospital setting, home setting (providing personal care in the client's home).

Out of all the environments, the hospital setting was THE worst, in terms of difficult personalities (I'm talking coworkers, not patients 🙄), social politics, hierarchical hazing, scut work, etc. etc. So I definitely don't think it's just about having work experience or not having work experience... the hospital is a special kind of place-- oftentimes, it's high pressure, fast paced work, an overflow of patients combined with under staffing. To give just one example of how hospitals are different, it's not enough to just do one's own work well and efficiently. If you don't spent at least as much time shooting the breeze with others, kissing up to your immediate superior, etc., you're gonna have people talk crap about you & basically lie about you on evaluations, saying you don't do work (wtf?) or whatever. Otoh, there are people who really DON'T do any work, spend practically all their time talking/socializing, and they get great evaluations. It wasn't about the quality of your work; it was about "fitting in" with the old-timers.

There was also the thing of, if you're seen as too capable at your job, sometimes people higher up on the hierarchy get jealous or for whatever reason, want to "put you in your place" by assigning you all kinds of unnecessary scut work. Not everyone was like this of course. But there were definitely a significant number of insecure folks who would do this. I guess doctors dump on them quite a bit too, and it just kind of trickles downward, where they want to establish their authority.

It was definitely a bit of a hazing experience, but by the end of my tenure there, I finally learned how to hold my own a little bit. Reading about what people go through 3rd year, I can definitely see why many people seem kind of scarred by the experience :laugh:

The things I realized were especially important about the hospital:

1) Respect the hierarchy at all costs

Even if your immediate supervisor is a douche. Especially if your immediate supervisor is a douche. Just pretend you're in the army. "Yes, sir/ma'am!"

2) Be a teamplayer

From my experiences doing home care for clients, I had developed the bad habit of working pretty independently. I felt like my main focus should be the patients and taking care of their needs. But, no. If your sup wants you to go do something while you're in the middle of helping a patient, do NOT try to explain you're helping the patient; drop everything and do what your sup wants you to do. It kind of goes hand in hand with # 1, respect the hierarchy. This seriously took some time for me to process and figure out. Even tho' I had previous work experience in a corporate setting, this was so different. People would often be exceedingly unprofessional too. For whatever reason, get used to seeing unprofessional, outrageous behavior at the hospital.


3) Don't neglect socializing

Do this however you want to-- whether it's through just asking Qs, or volunteering to do things/help with something, or simply taking the time to chat on a more personal level. Your eval really IS about these fluffy thing as much as it is about your actual knowledge/work. Unfortunately or fortunately, that appears to be how things work.

Any thoughts med students? Those were just some things I figured out for myself after my experiences there... of course being a MSIII in a hospital is bound to be different than working at the hospital at the bottom of the totem pole. But I think there's probably going to be some significant similarities there too. I've worked in many different settings, but out of all of them, nothing compares to working at the hospital. It seems to bring out the best & worst in people.

You pretty much drove the nail right through the coffin there. Being an M3 is like a combination of being a secretary, a punchline, and an army private. You are a student, but you're also at "work." Social skills and being tactfully aggressive will curry you a lot of favor.

You will really learn to hate the hierarchy, yet at the same time sadly acknowledge its necessity. Things really do look up after M3 year though, and even moreso after internship year.
 
er, yes I know that. sorry, wasn't specific enough in my question.

okay, so among fellowships, how competitive is cardiology?

Very very competitive. I don't know too much about Internal Medicine fellowships, but from what I do know, Cardiology, GI, and Allergy&Immunology seem to be the most competitive ones.

With Cardiology, the lifestyle is actually pretty lousy from what I hear. However, there is potential to earn tons of money, and it's a very prestigious, "glorious" subspecialty.
 
I'm not an expert, but what I've read on the forums, especially thanks to dragonfly's advice, it seems that cards is quite competitive. You must go through not one, but two competitive applications and do well. It requires scores, LORs, pubs, etc. Also, you must essentially be a US Allo and train in IM at a larger university.

correct me if I'm wrong...

Ive never heard of DOs having trouble with IM or cardiology.
 
Ive never heard of DOs having trouble with IM or cardiology.

DOs def dont have trouble getting into IM. as for cards, think about it...that admissions is gonna based more on what you do in residency. so perhaps everyone's on equal ground once they get into IM?
 
DOs def dont have trouble getting into IM. as for cards, think about it...that admissions is gonna based more on what you do in residency. so perhaps everyone's on equal ground once they get into IM?

The sad thing is that there is still a lot of discrimination with DO's. When I interviewed, the committee that I faced even admitted that fact, and noted that while it has improved- there is a long way to go. Also, are all IM residency's equal? No.
 
Gosh, reading these posts, I can't wait to get started with medical school.🙂
 
Gosh, reading these posts, I can't wait to get started with medical school.🙂
Just don't get a fairy tale view of what's coming. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely enjoying what I've been doing this year, but it's like looking forward to boot camp. Your time is not your own as an M3/M4, you'll be doing what you're told, you'll be waking up verrrrry early on some M3 rotations, and when you get that test score back with a mediocre or failing grade, despite your incredible amounts of studying, you'll feel kind of worthless. Everyone is smart, and your best will no longer be the best. I easily led the pack in my college classes, and now I'm average in my med school class.

Good times will be had, you'll learn an incredible amount, and you'll lose a lot of sleep.
 
My main questions deal with the course material. How indepth does the biochemistry course get? Biochemistry is the foundation of all metabolic diseases and a lot of disease burden.

I would say it doesn't get much more in-depth than a college-level intro biochem course. The difficulty is the same in med school (or even easier), except you might be learning about a few more pathways. There's also a considerably amount of biochem to learn from for Step 1.
 
DOs def dont have trouble getting into IM. as for cards, think about it...that admissions is gonna based more on what you do in residency. so perhaps everyone's on equal ground once they get into IM?

that was my point....i would imagine landing a cards fellowship would be more dependent on your residency/what you do at your residency. You could argue that there is a difference coming from a DO residency compared to an MD residency, but DOs dont have troube matching into IM for either allo or osteo residencies.
 
I would say it doesn't get much more in-depth than a college-level intro biochem course. The difficulty is the same in med school (or even easier), except you might be learning about a few more pathways. There's also a considerably amount of biochem to learn from for Step 1.

Isn't it also relevant that you are learning it in such a short period of time in med school, as opposed to college where you might have an entire semester devoted to the subject?
 
I spent a week as a camp counselor at a Diabetes Camp. The rest of the time I did absolutely nothing productive....beach, gym, lake, beer, fun.

I wouldn't have changed a thing. Make sure to take time to relax. You have plenty of time to stress later.

I did absolutely nothing as well. I tried to plan a Europe trip, but plans fell through after a good friend couldn't go.

If I were to do anything over again, I'd have gone by myself.

No work, no studying.


Thanks. 👍

I have to continue to work to support myself this summer as well as to be able to afford moving, the apartment deposit, and other incidentals until Fin Aid kicks in, but my friends & I are planning many weekend road trips. 😍
 
Life isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. Once a DO matches into an ACGME, they are at the same level as those that came from an MD school (with the exception of some places that only take MD graduates...but whatever).
But a DO still has to MATCH first, right? Does everyone have to go thru ACGME?
 
Very very competitive. I don't know too much about Internal Medicine fellowships, but from what I do know, Cardiology, GI, and Allergy&Immunology seem to be the most competitive ones.

With Cardiology, the lifestyle is actually pretty lousy from what I hear. However, there is potential to earn tons of money, and it's a very prestigious, "glorious" subspecialty.

Cardiology is definitely the most competitive followed closely by GI. To whoever asked the question: it is hard to compare these to traditional tracks like derm. Anyone who matches at an IM program with a cards fellowship has a good shot of matching at their home cards program if they get along with the cards faculty. Fellowhips tend to "love" their own residents because they already know their way around. There is no adjustment period needed, and the faculty knows exactly what they are getting - after all they have worked with them for 3 straight years.

Allergy and Immunology is not as competitive as it used to be though. This is more my opinion, but I think it is a dying field. New research and drugs will make most allergies easy enough to treat that any family practice doc can handle it all. My opinion, but I would avoid the field if I were you. Oncology is actually replacing it as the 3rd most competitive fellowship in IM.
 
Life isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. Once a DO matches into an ACGME, they are at the same level as those that came from an MD school (with the exception of some places that only take MD graduates...but whatever).

What you do in residency matters for fellowship. Having said that, doing good in medical school can help as well (e.g., journal publications, good Step 1 and 2 scores, etc). I'm sure a great Step 3 score after your first year of residency would be important. As far as how one resident is known to be better than another resident I don't know.

Most take Step 3 even before the end of intern year, so it isn't used much at all for fellowships. How well you get along with the faculty in the field of your fellowship probably matters most. Impress them and you could land your home fellowship spot easy.

My classmates interested in cardiology aren't applying to IM programs that don't have fellowships in cardiology.
 
Isn't it also relevant that you are learning it in such a short period of time in med school, as opposed to college where you might have an entire semester devoted to the subject?

This may vary, but I would compare: 1 semester of undergrad knowledge = 1 test in medical school (approximately every 2-3 weeks).

You move so much quicker in medical school!
 
My main questions deal with the course material. How indepth does the biochemistry course get? Biochemistry is the foundation of all metabolic diseases and a lot of disease burden.

Being honest, I never learned the pathways all that well. The most important and testable topics are only those that deal with medicine. Concentrate on what reactions are inhibited by x or what each disease does within the pathway.

Medical school isn't hard because of complex material. There is just a lot of it.
 
Thanks. 👍

I have to continue to work to support myself this summer as well as to be able to afford moving, the apartment deposit, and other incidentals until Fin Aid kicks in, but my friends & I are planning many weekend road trips. 😍

Good plan, but try to work as little as possible!
 
Thanks for making yourself available for questions. I'm in the process of choosing between two schools and right now the factor that is weighing on me the most is the difference in cost. Was this a factor for you, and how do you feel about your choice in the end? I like the more expensive one better, but I'm worried about becoming further in debt. Have you found that the amount of debt you're in factors into residency choice? Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated.
 
Thanks for making yourself available for questions. I'm in the process of choosing between two schools and right now the factor that is weighing on me the most is the difference in cost. Was this a factor for you, and how do you feel about your choice in the end? I like the more expensive one better, but I'm worried about becoming further in debt. Have you found that the amount of debt you're in factors into residency choice? Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated.

I don't think tuition should change your residency choice. I'd rather be in debt a few extra years than do something I don't enjoy for a living.

I got accepted to a couple OOS schools, but when I looked at the cost, 4 years of in-state = 1 year out-of-state. It just didn't make sense to me.

If the cost between your schools is only a couple thousand, it won't make a difference. If the difference in cost is sizeable, I would urge you to possibly revisit the cheaper school and see if you could see yourself there. No US MD school can offer you an advantage over another that is worth paying more money - my opinion.
 
do you watch how you spend ? live cheap or live comfy?
 
M3 year is extremely different from college. Out of ~170 med students in my class (a so-called "top" tier med school, whatever that really means), only four or five got all Honors in M3 year. It's not like college where you can do well on exams, show up a few times in office hours to express interest, and get an A. I went to an Ivy League school (again, whatever that really means is arguable) and was in the top 20 out of my class of 1100. Here in med school, I'm at about the 50th percentile.

But hey, if four or five med students can do it, it's possible. My best advice would be to 1) study your a** off for those shelf exams given at the end of each rotation, and 2) display terrific people skills, cooperation, enthusiasm, and pick up extra patients. You'll be the ire of your fellow med students, but unfortunately that's apparently what it takes sometimes to get into the most competitive specialties.

Having said that, there are more efficient ways to get into Derm or Ortho, for example. Rounding out your application with more research/publications, clinically-related ECs, stellar LORs, etc. would certainly help.

So all in all, it is possible - but damn near impossible.


handetalc,
did you take any advice from lee witters?
or should i continue to mock him?
 
when did you start preparing for STEP I? thanks
 
handetalc,
did you take any advice from lee witters?
or should i continue to mock him?

Dartmouth student, eh?

I actually heard good things about Dr. Witters. Never actually met the man myself, however...
 
when did you start preparing for STEP I? thanks

I started studying intensely (for me, that was a concentrated 8 hours of studying each day) about 5 weeks before the real thing.

If I had to do it over again, I would've supplemented my M2 lectures with reading of the corresponding sections of First Aid and BRS Pathology (or Goljan's Rapid Review).

It seems that most students at my school took roughly 4 weeks of intense study (12 hrs/day) to prepare for Step 1. Some students demolished the exam (250+ scores) with 4 weeks of study, while others failed with that same amount of time. And in similar stead, some students studied a little each day throughout the whole year and still received mediocre scores.
 
I started studying intensely (for me, that was a concentrated 8 hours of studying each day) about 5 weeks before the real thing.

If I had to do it over again, I would've supplemented my M2 lectures with reading of the corresponding sections of First Aid and BRS Pathology (or Goljan's Rapid Review).

It seems that most students at my school took roughly 4 weeks of intense study (12 hrs/day) to prepare for Step 1. Some students demolished the exam (250+ scores) with 4 weeks of study, while others failed with that same amount of time. And in similar stead, some students studied a little each day throughout the whole year and still received mediocre scores.

So is the Step 1 still more of a... standardized test, and thus requires standardized test-taking skills more than a lot of people want to admit? It must be pretty tough to do well, considering that you're competing with people who pulled 35+ on their MCATs.
 
So is the Step 1 still more of a... standardized test, and thus requires standardized test-taking skills more than a lot of people want to admit? It must be pretty tough to do well, considering that you're competing with people who pulled 35+ on their MCATs.
I doubt it. There aren't gimmicks with Step 1, IMO. If you get bogged down in irrelevant details and read slowly and can't figure out 2-4 step questions, then you'll have a hard time, but I don't consider those to be test-taking skills per se. If there were easy gimmicks and quick tricks, I think board review courses would be much more popular, but I don't know a single student in my class of 200 that took one of those classes. On the other hand, we almost all did Kaplan classes for the MCAT.
 
I doubt it. There aren't gimmicks with Step 1, IMO. If you get bogged down in irrelevant details and read slowly and can't figure out 2-4 step questions, then you'll have a hard time, but I don't consider those to be test-taking skills per se. If there were easy gimmicks and quick tricks, I think board review courses would be much more popular, but I don't know a single student in my class of 200 that took one of those classes. On the other hand, we almost all did Kaplan classes for the MCAT.

Agreed. Step 1 has really well written questions. You either know the answer or you don't. Obviously you have to manage your time well and integrate knowledge, but that is true of life. Key words are really important on Step 1 though. I finished Step 1 three hours early because I didn't read a lot of the questions more than half way.
 
best thread ever, thank you handetalc, hope it goes to page 1000, lol.
 
Haha, it's funny that you say that. Last night I hung out with a group of my friends (all of them classmates), and asked them if they would do med school over again if they could rewind 4-5 years back. Most of them said NO immediately. One guy said maybe, and one guy said he would. Myself? I'd do it again (reluctantly), but only if I knew I could get into Pathology again, or maybe Radiology, Dermatology, or even PM&R.

M1 year was fine, not much different from college honestly. You'll have a good bit of free time and be proud to be a med student.

M2 year is considerably busier, but you still have freedom and control of your schedule. Studying for Step 1 at the end of the year really blows, but it's something everyone gets through.

M3 year was by far the most difficult for me. For those who have never had a real job prior to med school (I never had one), it'll come as a pretty rude awakening. Dealing with difficult personalities and egos, being at the very bottom of the heirarchy, being anxious and nervous much of the time, doing scut work, skipping meals, sacrificing sleep and some evenings and weekends, and not knowing when you're going to get home each day can really take a toll on you. Honestly, I was pretty unhappy and angry M3 year - but from what I've observed and heard, it's not uncommon. Best thing to do is to stay grounded and healthy by venting to friends and such. I was also lucky enough to find a special woman who listened to me gripe and whine, and added a great deal to my overall happiness.

The upside is though, at the end of the year, you really feel like you've learned a ton and have survived a hazing ritual. You will have develop a lot of self-confidence and your skin will be pretty damn thick.

M4 year is like the sunrise after a bad storm. Your future looks up, you get a little more respect, and you have a good deal of free time once again. And at the end of it all, if you've chosen a specialty wisely (happy people in the field) and have maintained an overall healthy attitude, then yeah I think it's definitely worth it. :]


then I guess i can add one more + to being out of undergrad 4 years before applying to med school. I've had a several real jobs since undergrad (and several part time jobs during undergrad and high school to be precise), countless nights of little sleep (and many instances of not sleeping at all for 24-36 hours) and experience with bad attitudes while working full time. I have developed somewhat of a "thicker skin" since undergrad, but I thinks its more about not taking it personaly and understanding the people you work with are all under stress and possibly under much more stress than you are. And learnig its always a good thing NOT to assume you know somones motivation for doing/saying things.
 
What were your responsibilities/what did the doctors let you do during your third year rotation, in each field?
 
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