my pre-pharm advisor is a *******

[killer4605]

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I go to clemson university and my pre-pharmacy advisor is a *******. He advises everyone to take anatomy physiology at clemson even though it is one of the toughest classes you can take at this university. My roommate took the first semester of it in the fall and just looking at the amount of work he had to do for the LAB was ridiculous.

He literally had more work for the lab than if he took 2 or 3 other classes. Great way to boost your GPA right there. Not only that, but he tells all the pre-pharm students to stay at clemson for 3 years to get clemson's bull**** degree...

sounds great, 3 years and you get some kind of degree... NOT. You don't get anything from clemson unless you get into pharmacy school. Whoopty doo, once you get into pharmacy school you can go get a PharmD. That fake ass clemson degree won't mean **** at that point.

Sorry for the rant. I just met this cute ( 😍, jk ) pre-pharm girl in my organic 2 lab and it pisses me off that our ADVISOR misleads people so much. She was shocked to find out that I was a freshman and already took the PCAT without anatomy or organic under my belt (oct pcat).

Yeah, and he did convince her to do the 3 year track and to take anatomy/phys at clemson.

PS: the degree is a BS in professional studies if that makes any difference. You get it after you take a year at a pharmacy school.

 

[imperial frog]

At UF at least, a good anatomy/physiology class can really help in the first year. Toughest class was Pathophysiology and a good understanding means you don't have to learn everything from scratch.

 

[crossjb]

SDN was and continues to be my academic advisor. Lots of great posters on this site.

 

[usi]

If is any consolation P.Chem lab I and II was hell.
I could not believe how many hours and brain power I had to use.
Every effort you put in to learn stuff does not go wasted.
However, a degree in profesional studies sounds too iffy to me.
Take a BS in a science instead if you can. 3 years for iffy is a bit long...

 

[killer4605]

If is any consolation P.Chem lab I and II was hell.
I could not believe how many hours and brain power I had to use.
Every effort you put in to learn stuff does not go wasted.
However, a degree in profesional studies sounds too iffy to me.
Take a BS in a science instead if you can. 3 years for iffy is a bit long...

A BS in a science is definitely a better way to go if someone is planning on staying 3 or more years. Personally, I'd rather not waste my time. I want to get my PharmD as quickly as possible because I think I might want to apply to medical school and get an MD or DO sometime afterward if clinical pharmacy isn't my niche.

 

[bananaface]

A&P is an excellent prep class to have under your belt.

 

[pharmacology]

If it were up to me I might consider someone who has taken A&P over someone who has not. But at this time it is not up to me.

Drugs have a major impact on physiology and you only understand drug effects by understanding physiology. Are you in this to learn something or just to get into pharmacy school?

 

[killer4605]

A&P is an excellent prep class to have under your belt.

I agree but what I was trying to say is that the advisor tells everyone to take it at clemson and not at a community college. Taking it at clemson landed my buddy a C (and he only had 12 hrs that semester so he studied plenty for the class) so now he HAS to retake it at a CC to fix his GPA

 

[killer4605]

If it were up to me I might consider someone who has taken A&P over someone who has not. But at this time it is not up to me.

Drugs have a major impact on physiology and you only understand drug effects by understanding physiology. Are you in this to learn something or just to get into pharmacy school?

Would you stand by that statement if A&P was not a requirement for admissions?

Human anatomy & physiology is part of the pharm curriculum at the school i am applying to (UGA). Yes, I would take it right now if I had the time, but no, I will not willingly stay out of pharmacy school for another year just to take A&P and physics 1/2. Even MUSC, which requires A&P, has pharm students take human A&P in their first(?) year.

The argument isn't "these classes are useless blah blah blah," the argument is that our pharmacy advisor misleads the students into thinking that it is better to take A&P at clemson (rather than com. col.) and to spend a 3rd year at clemson to get some worthless degree. That's all.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for learning. I just want to speed up the process a bit by eliminating certain pointless (in my opinion) classes (IE: physics) and reduntant classes (IE: A&P if I have to take it as part of the pharm curic anyways)

Like I said, If I had a little more time I would take everything and be done with it.

 

[bananaface]

I agree but what I was trying to say is that the advisor tells everyone to take it at clemson and not at a community college. Taking it at clemson landed my buddy a C (and he only had 12 hrs that semester so he studied plenty for the class) so now he HAS to retake it at a CC to fix his GPA

You aren't going to find many university advisors who tell you to leave their school and attend another. Their job is to tell you which classes would be helpful. It's your job to decide whether or not those are classes you can handle as a student.

There are a handful of schools out there who require A&P as a prerequisite. And anyone who has taken A&P will have an advantage in their pharmacy school studies. I think your advisor's recommendation is quite sound. If there was one class not required for admission at most schools that would be the most helpful curriculum wise, it would be A&P.

 

[rxlynn]

I go to clemson university and my pre-pharmacy advisor is a *******. He advises everyone to take anatomy physiology at clemson even though it is one of the toughest classes you can take at this university. My roommate took the first semester of it in the fall and just looking at the amount of work he had to do for the LAB was ridiculous.

He literally had more work for the lab than if he took 2 or 3 other classes. Great way to boost your GPA right there. Not only that, but he tells all the pre-pharm students to stay at clemson for 3 years to get clemson's bull**** degree...

sounds great, 3 years and you get some kind of degree... NOT. You don't get anything from clemson unless you get into pharmacy school. Whoopty doo, once you get into pharmacy school you can go get a PharmD. That fake ass clemson degree won't mean **** at that point.

Sorry for the rant. I just met this cute ( 😍, jk ) pre-pharm girl in my organic 2 lab and it pisses me off that our ADVISOR misleads people so much. She was shocked to find out that I was a freshman and already took the PCAT without anatomy or organic under my belt (oct pcat).

Yeah, and he did convince her to do the 3 year track and to take anatomy/phys at clemson.

PS: the degree is a BS in professional studies if that makes any difference. You get it after you take a year at a pharmacy school.

DISCLAIMER - I have a degree from Clemson -- and I got an A in A&P there.

Well, I agree that a BS in professional studies may be sort of cheesy. And, perhaps there isn't a reason to take A&P if you don't have to have it for a prereq. However, if you plan to stay in SC or even in the South to work, Clemson is a well-thought of university, and I don't think it would hurt your record at all. So the two classes (I assume it's still a 2 semester sequence) are much harder at Clemson - don't you just think it will prepare the student better for pharmacy school? Is your roommate also pre-pharm? If so, then I think he/she should be worried about pharmacy school if they can't do better with a 200-level anatomy course while only taking 12 hours.

 

[killer4605]

You aren't going to find many university advisors who tell you to leave their school and attend another. Their job is to tell you which classes would be helpful. It's your job to decide whether or not those are classes you can handle as a student.

There are a handful of schools out there who require A&P as a prerequisite. And anyone who has taken A&P will have an advantage in their pharmacy school studies. I think your advisor's recommendation is quite sound. If there was one class not required for admission at most schools that would be the most helpful curriculum wise, it would be A&P.

So do you think it would be wise for me to audit an A&P class over the summer if I have time?

 

[killer4605]

DISCLAIMER - I have a degree from Clemson -- and I got an A in A&P there.

Well, I agree that a BS in professional studies may be sort of cheesy. And, perhaps there isn't a reason to take A&P if you don't have to have it for a prereq. However, if you plan to stay in SC or even in the South to work, Clemson is a well-thought of university, and I don't think it would hurt your record at all. So the two classes (I assume it's still a 2 semester sequence) are much harder at Clemson - don't you just think it will prepare the student better for pharmacy school? Is your roommate also pre-pharm? If so, then I think he/she should be worried about pharmacy school if they can't do better with a 200-level anatomy course while only taking 12 hours.

No, I don't think that if you can identify a bone in the body without seeing it (it being placed in a black garbage bag) you will automatically do better in pharmacy. Taking A&P is great advice, I don't disagree...I just think it would be better to take it at a CC where you have a much better chance of getting an A. Don't forget how competitive the medical field is as far as grades...

Yes, my roommate is pre-pharm. Yes he screwed up big time. He needs some adderall or something he's just not willing to go to the doc for it.

 

[bananaface]

So do you think it would be wise for me to audit an A&P class over the summer if I have time?

It certainly wouldn't hurt. It might help you start off with a healthy GPA in pharmacy school, since most schools have A&P early in the curriculum.

Microbiology is also another excellent class to take.

 

[killer4605]

It certainly wouldn't hurt. It might help you start off with a healthy GPA in pharmacy school, since most schools have A&P early in the curriculum.

Microbiology is also another excellent class to take.

Great advice, Thanks!

Anything I should be weary of for the first year (assuming i'm accepted)?
Are labs hell?
Do you really have very little free time?
Do the instructors write out notes and draw molecular structures and stuff on the board?
How many labs do you take per semester?

Thanks again!

 

[illusions]

Even MUSC, which requires A&P, has pharm students take human A&P in their first(?) year.

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Well actually, last yer MUSC DID NOT require Anatomy and Physiology. Next year with the South Carolina COP, A&P will be required and will not be taught in the professional curriculum. So their has never been in redundancy in that aspect. If a school doesn't require it, I think it would still be beneficial for you to take

 

[killer4605]

Well actually, last yer MUSC DID NOT require Anatomy and Physiology. Next year with the South Carolina COP, A&P will be required and will not be taught in the professional curriculum. So their has never been in redundancy in that aspect. If a school doesn't require it, I think it would still be beneficial for you to take

well by MUSC I meant SCCP I just figured if I put SCCP some people might not know what i'm talking about.

Anyways, are you sure SCCP doesn't have anatomy in their curriculum? When the SCCP people came down to clemson they told me that you have to take a higher level A&P course in the pharm school

 

[illusions]

Well they haven't been very consistent with things they have been saying. The current tentative SCCP curriculum doesn't include any anatomy. You will however be taking a two series pathophysiology course, in which A&P is really helpful. To answer your previous question about labs. Upcoming class will have to take a community lab, compounding lab, and hospital lab 1 and 2. You will take 1 lab a semester for the first 2 years.

 

[bananaface]

Great advice, Thanks!

Anything I should be weary of for the first year (assuming i'm accepted)?
Are labs hell?
Do you really have very little free time?
Do the instructors write out notes and draw molecular structures and stuff on the board?
How many labs do you take per semester?

Thanks again!

Not particularly.
No.
It depends.
Yes.
1-2 usually.

 

[spacecowgirl]

well by MUSC I meant SCCP I just figured if I put SCCP some people might not know what i'm talking about.

Anyways, are you sure SCCP doesn't have anatomy in their curriculum? When the SCCP people came down to clemson they told me that you have to take a higher level A&P course in the pharm school

I *think* you are thinking of pathophys too. You really need an A&P background to do well in patho, or pharmacy school in general. I never took the labs though, they weren't (aren't?) required; it sounds like those increase the work load quite a bit. Do you have to take the labs at Clemson?

A few of my classmates have that degree you're talking about. I don't really understand what purpose it serves either 😕