My Re-Applicant Story and Dilemna

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Uhhh that's the type of masters program you should be applying to right now, what did you think I was talking about before? A masters in marine biology? It's called biomedical sciences if you need help googling it. Actually, just go to community college, it seems you got it all figured out.

I don't have it figured out. A Master's in Biology or Biochemistry or Cell Biology or whatever could work but I have to figure this out and get to work this upcoming academic year, be it CC or whatever.
 
DAT scores don't get into Master's unless it's those medical/dental-focuses Master's programs with relationships to the dental school.




That makes more sense. I can start working and save money for the upcoming Master's during Fall 2014.

Only bad thing is that I'll be around 27 starting dental school.
I'm 28 now. Will be married and almost 30 when I will start dental school if accepted. That is a consequence of messing up when you are young, Like I said, you make a choice and if you can't accept starting your career late then finding another career now will not end your world. People work hard and make good livings that aren't dentists. If the wait is too long there really is no shame in that. I worked a corporate job for years in order to save money as to not get completely destroyed by grad school. Yes I'll be much older then I had planned to be when I start my actual career in dentistry but the bottom line is I don't care because that is what I really want. If you can't say the same then step back and truly consider what you are about to step in to.
 
On a unrelated note, what is the feedback on my school list?

California Resident:

USC
Western
UoP
ASDOH
MOSDOH
Nova
LECOM
BU
Tufts
NYU
Case
Detroit Mercy
LECOM
Roseman
Marquette
Creighton
Howard
Pitt
Midwestern AZ
Midwestern IL

Not sure if I should add/delete some....any help is appreciated.

Boston and Tufts do not take CC credits.
 
I'm 28 now. Will be married and almost 30 when I will start dental school if accepted. That is a consequence of messing up when you are young, Like I said, you make a choice and if you can't accept starting your career late then finding another career now will not end your world. People work hard and make good livings that aren't dentists. If the wait is too long there really is no shame in that. I worked a corporate job for years in order to save money as to not get completely destroyed by grad school. Yes I'll be much older then I had planned to be when I start my actual career in dentistry but the bottom line is I don't care because that is what I really want. If you can't say the same then step back and truly consider what you are about to step in to.

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29 here and starting dental school in the fall... messed up when I was young🙂

My hope is that the 5 or 6 years I spent working crappy jobs and trying to take care of myself on my own will make me thankful rather than whiny when I have tough days in dental school or as a practicing dentist.
 
Apologies for making an assumption, then.

Looking at your situation further and re-evaluating my feedback from post #5, here's a quick pros / cons breakdown of your situation the way I see it:

Continue with post-bacc
Pros
Save money staying local and attending junior college
Boost overall GPA

Cons
One more year spent repairing undergraduate GPA
Stepping backwards going to junior college

Attending an SMP
Pros
Fresh graduate GPA and awarding of a graduate degree
Demonstrates abilities to succeed in a rigorous curriculum
Illustrates your dedication more than your current plan - you'll be working much harder than what you're doing in your current informal post-bacc plan

Cons
Expensive - but it's worth it if you get an acceptance.
You'll be away from friends and family - but it's only one year.

It's up to you! I suggest what numerous others state above - do an SMP and kill it! Forget junior college, that's fairly clear now. Your DAT is strong so I believe you can handle this. The question is your resolve.

I like your breakdown, but I'm looking for Spring 2014 at this point haha. I'll have to take a look at my budget.
 
After reading this ENTIRE argumentative thread, I feel like I have just had an argument with one of my children! The most important piece of information that you have yet to answer is......when you called the dental school and spoke with them regarding whether or not they accept CC courses, did you tell them specifically that you are wanting to take these course AFTER you sucked at you undergrad courses from your 4 year university. Meaning, there are two VERY different ways this could have been phrased when you called them. One-"Hi, I am just calling to ask whether or not "insert dental school" accepts community college credits as acceptable in meeting the pre-req courses?" Two-" I am currently attending a four year university and didn't apply myself at all and now I have a VERY low GPA and am thinking of applying this cycle to "insert dental school" but I know that I do not meet your average GPA of the matriculated student. I am going back to kindergarten (community college) to try to boost my GPA just over the receommended number. I wanted to make sure this is ok with you?"

Do you see now where we are going with this???? I am also a non-traditional student and have worked my butt off while raising six kids and it gets very frustrating to see people post, asking for advice, yet never take it. You are what we call ASKHOLES(someone who asks for advice and never takes it). Yes, it's true that many schools accept CC courses. However, that is for prior to screwing up your 4 year GPA. NOT for going back to fix the last four years. You are telling adcoms that you couldn't handle your undergrad so you are going backwards to try to take easy courses just to boost numbers. That is not what they are looking for. They want someone that can handle the dental school courseload and you would not be showing them that. The only way to do that is to own your screw up, accrue more debt to fix it, work your butt off in a Master's (yes, that means you will have to retake the DAT), and apply next year or the next or the next. This is something you messed up. They need to see that you are willing to own your mistake, regardless of the consequences, and be a grown up and fix it the right way. Not the "easy" way. They do not want lazy people in their program. Dental school is a business. They are partnering with you and no one wants a lazy partner.

This is exactly what I would say to one of my children if they were in your shoes. This is life and just how life works. It sucks but sometimes, it's just what you have to do when you have made a mistake in life. Take it from those of us who have lived long enough to have made mistakes and learned the hard way. And before you say anything about how I haven't commented very often on SDN, that's because of two reasons 1) I'm usually only on here for about 10 mins tops to just update myself on those that I like to follow in their dental school journey because I am usually STUDYING and 2) Most OP's take the advice that is given to them so there is no need to repost something that has been said by someone else already.

Lastly, if you HAVE changed to a new name......let me give you this advice, as well. People can sniff that crap out! Again, if you screwed up under another name and are trying to take the easy way out, stop! Own it....say yes, I was a jerk under another name and I created a new account because I want a new start. Don't just create a new name and continue being the same rude person. It will get you no where in life. Obviously, if that's what you are doing, you are the issue because people have an issue with your attitude, not your screen name or avatar. Be a grown up about this and do things the right way. People on SDN, most of them anyway, care about other people and want to help them get into dental school. However, we want to be surrounded in dental school by like-minded people, not lazy slackers.

Now, I hope this helps you and you make wise life choices from this point forward. Parenting........done for the day!

well said. unfortunately it'll all fall on deaf ears. this kid's a ***** and won't stop until someone tells him exactly what he wants to hear.
 
When I read your GPA and DAT scores the first thing that came to my head was, "Wow I wonder how he cheated on the DAT." I am not trying to be rude, just honest. Members of admissions committees may think the same thing. When there is a huge discrepancy between GPA and DAT score people start to wonder how one thing turned out so good and the other so bad.
 
I didn't get a chance to read through all the pages, but when you calculated your possible future gpa, did you average out the grades for repeat courses? Since most of the classes at a CC will be repeats..
 
When I read your GPA and DAT scores the first thing that came to my head was, "Wow I wonder how he cheated on the DAT." I am not trying to be rude, just honest. Members of admissions committees may think the same thing. When there is a huge discrepancy between GPA and DAT score people start to wonder how one thing turned out so good and the other so bad.

OP obviously has talent but hasn't always applied himself.
 
After reading this ENTIRE argumentative thread, I feel like I have just had an argument with one of my children! The most important piece of information that you have yet to answer is......when you called the dental school and spoke with them regarding whether or not they accept CC courses, did you tell them specifically that you are wanting to take these course AFTER you sucked at you undergrad courses from your 4 year university. Meaning, there are two VERY different ways this could have been phrased when you called them. One-"Hi, I am just calling to ask whether or not "insert dental school" accepts community college credits as acceptable in meeting the pre-req courses?" Two-" I am currently attending a four year university and didn't apply myself at all and now I have a VERY low GPA and am thinking of applying this cycle to "insert dental school" but I know that I do not meet your average GPA of the matriculated student. I am going back to kindergarten (community college) to try to boost my GPA just over the receommended number. I wanted to make sure this is ok with you?"

Do you see now where we are going with this???? I am also a non-traditional student and have worked my butt off while raising six kids and it gets very frustrating to see people post, asking for advice, yet never take it. You are what we call ASKHOLES(someone who asks for advice and never takes it). Yes, it's true that many schools accept CC courses. However, that is for prior to screwing up your 4 year GPA. NOT for going back to fix the last four years. You are telling adcoms that you couldn't handle your undergrad so you are going backwards to try to take easy courses just to boost numbers. That is not what they are looking for. They want someone that can handle the dental school courseload and you would not be showing them that. The only way to do that is to own your screw up, accrue more debt to fix it, work your butt off in a Master's (yes, that means you will have to retake the DAT), and apply next year or the next or the next. This is something you messed up. They need to see that you are willing to own your mistake, regardless of the consequences, and be a grown up and fix it the right way. Not the "easy" way. They do not want lazy people in their program. Dental school is a business. They are partnering with you and no one wants a lazy partner.

This is exactly what I would say to one of my children if they were in your shoes. This is life and just how life works. It sucks but sometimes, it's just what you have to do when you have made a mistake in life. Take it from those of us who have lived long enough to have made mistakes and learned the hard way. And before you say anything about how I haven't commented very often on SDN, that's because of two reasons 1) I'm usually only on here for about 10 mins tops to just update myself on those that I like to follow in their dental school journey because I am usually STUDYING and 2) Most OP's take the advice that is given to them so there is no need to repost something that has been said by someone else already.

Lastly, if you HAVE changed to a new name......let me give you this advice, as well. People can sniff that crap out! Again, if you screwed up under another name and are trying to take the easy way out, stop! Own it....say yes, I was a jerk under another name and I created a new account because I want a new start. Don't just create a new name and continue being the same rude person. It will get you no where in life. Obviously, if that's what you are doing, you are the issue because people have an issue with your attitude, not your screen name or avatar. Be a grown up about this and do things the right way. People on SDN, most of them anyway, care about other people and want to help them get into dental school. However, we want to be surrounded in dental school by like-minded people, not lazy slackers.

Now, I hope this helps you and you make wise life choices from this point forward. Parenting........done for the day!

The way I postulated the question was actually scenario #2, some suggested take more courses to (post-bacc or Master's to raise GPA) while others like UCLA specifically mentioned to do more EC's while others had mentioned that the competition/space available is just too tough.

I do care about what everyone says, unfortunately, not a single of them agree on anything. I'm getting advice from all directions, and trying to listen to them all makes it seem like I'm not listening to any of them!

I consider everything, and weigh them against my realistic possibilities.
 
The way I postulated the question was actually scenario #2, some suggested take more courses to (post-bacc or Master's to raise GPA) while others like UCLA specifically mentioned to do more EC's while others had mentioned that the competition/space available is just too tough.

I do care about what everyone says, unfortunately, not a single of them agree on anything. I'm getting advice from all directions, and trying to listen to them all makes it seem like I'm not listening to any of them!

I consider everything, and weigh them against my realistic possibilities.

No, you're missing the point. We (along with all the schools you contacted) all agree on the same thing: You are not competitive. And to have any hopes of making yourself competitive, you need to work on your grades. And your clinical time. And your EC's.

Your GPA is horrendous for dental school. And then you took a year of post-bacc classes and only got a 3.3???!?!? Do you really consider that improvement? You think that's commitment? Wake up and smell the road tar, kid: It's neither.

You dug yourself into a hole, and now to get out, you're going to have to 1) take a whole lot of hard classes at a REAL university, and 2) get a LOT of A's (and my "a lot" I mean "nothing but") to bring up your GPA. And yes, 3) you are going to have to pay for it. And then you're going to have to amass a lot more 4) shadowing hours and 5) extracurricular activities because there are gobs and gobs of candidates that have a lot more than you.

And you can go ahead and apply this cycle but I can pretty much guarantee you you won't get accepted anywhere (unless by some ridiculous stroke of luck on your part or stupidity on some ADCOM's part), so you had better be prepared to wait for at least a year or more likely 2 before you have a real shot at matriculation.

If you're not 100% committed to any of this, then stop wasting your time and choose another profession. No one's going to just hand you a career in dentistry, you need to earn it. And the bottom line is that nothing you've done so far shows that you really deserve it. And trying to find a shortcut or easy option (read: community college) isn't going to work. Do you really think you're going to fool anyone in an admissions committee who likely sees over five hundred applications a year?
 
No, you're missing the point. We (along with all the schools you contacted) all agree on the same thing: You are not competitive. And to have any hopes of making yourself competitive, you need to work on your grades. And your clinical time. And your EC's.

Your GPA is horrendous for dental school. And then you took a year of post-bacc classes and only got a 3.3???!?!? Do you really consider that improvement? You think that's commitment? Wake up and smell the road tar, kid: It's neither.

You dug yourself into a hole, and now to get out, you're going to have to 1) take a whole lot of hard classes at a REAL university, and 2) get a LOT of A's (and my "a lot" I mean "nothing but") to bring up your GPA. And yes, 3) you are going to have to pay for it. And then you're going to have to amass a lot more 4) shadowing hours and 5) extracurricular activities because there are gobs and gobs of candidates that have a lot more than you.

And you can go ahead and apply this cycle but I can pretty much guarantee you you won't get accepted anywhere (unless by some ridiculous stroke of luck on your part or stupidity on some ADCOM's part), so you had better be prepared to wait for at least a year or more likely 2 before you have a real shot at matriculation.

If you're not 100% committed to any of this, then stop wasting your time and choose another profession. No one's going to just hand you a career in dentistry, you need to earn it. And the bottom line is that nothing you've done so far shows that you really deserve it. And trying to find a shortcut or easy option (read: community college) isn't going to work. Do you really think you're going to fool anyone in an admissions committee who likely sees over five hundred applications a year?

I am working on option #2 as we speak. Give me until the academic update period.
 
California Resident:

USC
Western
UoP
ASDOH
MOSDOH
Nova
LECOM
BU
Tufts
NYU
Case
Detroit Mercy
LECOM
Roseman
Marquette
Creighton
Howard
Pitt
Midwestern AZ
Midwestern IL

Can you guys PLEASE help me to eliminate or add some new schools?
 
You don't have the luxury of eliminating any of those schools right now. Not with your current GPA. But I will tell you that you aren't very likely gonna get any love from UDM, Pitt and Marquette. But UNLV definitely has shown preference for Cali and other west coast residents.
 
You don't have the luxury of eliminating any of those schools right now. Not with your current GPA. But I will tell you that you aren't very likely gonna get any love from UDM, Pitt and Marquette. But UNLV definitely has shown preference for Cali and other west coast residents.

Okay thanks. UNLV has shown love but is that even with my lowGPA/highDAT situation?

I thought UDM and Pitt were OOS friendly....what about Marquette?
 
have you considered applying to schools outside the US? Like poznan in poland? I may do that if no schools in the states will take me.
 
have you considered applying to schools outside the US? Like poznan in poland? I may do that if no schools in the states will take me.

I looked into Canadian schools but they have insanely high standards (unless I'm reading the GPA wrong). Can anyone explain why Canadians schools are so crazy competitive?
 
Not enough seats! The same thing can be said about Canadian medical school admissions hence many Canadians going abroad to Aussie / Irish schools.

Aren't there like 70-100 seats per school like the US?
 
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