My situation is not new but its bugging me alot

[Yudid]

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Hello

I really need an advice. Here is my situation and its bugging me alot. Last year at the fall quarter i took a heavy load of science classes such as o-chem, bio for majors, calculus and psychology. I didnt handle them, and ended up with getting Fs in almost all of those classes besides psych. Sure my science GPA is terrible right now because of it. I have no idea what to do... I already changed school, started totally new transcript, but its almost impossible to earase that record. However i have two options...

1. Retake those classes
(If i do that should i retake them at the same school or can i retake them at the different school?)

2. Make a petition to delete my transcript record from that qurter and up... (In this case i will lose around 60 credits because, i failed those classes while being sophmore)

3. With those kind of grades forget about medical school....

I know this topic is not new but not lots of you failed 3 science classes at the same time. Please give me advice and put an end to this because i think about it almost everyday!!!

 

[Isoprop]

choice 2 would be ideal. even if you lose a lot of credits, those F's disappear.

choice 1 is good if choice 2 doesn't work out. ideally, you want to take the same class at the same institution, but if it's impractical to do so, you may take them at another school. DO schools use your retake as far as GPA calculations.

 

[Yudid]

Thank you. I also was thinking about it but in this case i will have to wait two more years in order to make a petition... Its a long time you know...

 

[TexasPhysician]

I think you really need to look at "why" you did so poorly. I don't consider 1 bio class, calc, o-chem, and psych to be a tough load at all. Were there other circumstances that kept you from not failing? Do you need to work on study skills? Do you party too much?

You need to fix something quick if med school is your goal. 3 F's in one semester is a big red flag.

 

[mdeast]

I think you really need to look at "why" you did so poorly. I don't consider 1 bio class, calc, o-chem, and psych to be a tough load at all. Were there other circumstances that kept you from not failing? Do you need to work on study skills? Do you party too much?

You need to fix something quick if med school is your goal. 3 F's in one semester is a big red flag.

I kind of agree. I spent one semester taking PChem, Physics, upper level molecular bio course, upper level bio-organic chemistry, and a 15 hour/week lab course and still pulled off decent grades while having fun weekends. your course load didn't sound ridiculous.

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

1. Retake those classes
(If i do that should i retake them at the same school or can i retake them at the different school?)

Your best bet with option #1 is to look at DO schools - from what I recall they let a retake replace the original grade. With AAMC schools, even if you retake the original courses, 3-4 Fs will really hurt your overall GPA. As mentioned above, this is a huge red flag regardless.

2. Make a petition to delete my transcript record from that qurter and up... (In this case i will lose around 60 credits because, i failed those classes while being sophmore)

Is this something commonly done at your school? Unless there are some extreme extenuating circumstances, I can't imagine a school just deleting their records for you. You got the grades unfortunately, and I think you need to work under the assumption that they will be a part of your record if/when you apply to medical school

3. With those kind of grades forget about medical school...

I know you don't want to hear this but you do need to think about this. As mentioned above, you need to really understand WHY you failed these classes. Was your GPA stellar before and was this an outlier; if so, why?

 

[Yudid]

I think you really need to look at "why" you did so poorly. I don't consider 1 bio class, calc, o-chem, and psych to be a tough load at all. Were there other circumstances that kept you from not failing? Do you need to work on study skills? Do you party too much?

You need to fix something quick if med school is your goal. 3 F's in one semester is a big red flag.

The were several circumstances...

1. My o-chem instructor was a jackass. He didnt teach us at all, every class he was just telling to us to work in the groups and built models. However, exams were terribly hard. From 80 students in class stayed around 30.

2. Other reason yes, i was goofy, not serious to my education, was partying and plus at the end of the quarter before finals i went to Canada. (I do regret about it alot! I cant forgive myself for it... )

3. The last reason at the time i was taking those classes i was probably too young for them...

 

[Yudid]

I kind of agree. I spent one semester taking PChem, Physics, upper level molecular bio course, upper level bio-organic chemistry, and a 15 hour/week lab course and still pulled off decent grades while having fun weekends. your course load didn't sound ridiculous.

Yes, thats true those classes not that hard. Right now i am almost done with all science classes. This summer i was taking intense o-chem series, i scored in those classes higher than overage... (Overage in those classes was C). But see the thing is that after that quarter i didnt get anything lower than B-. It was just a big mistake

 

[itsalovestory]

Yes, thats true those classes not that hard. Right now i am almost done with all science classes. This summer i was taking intense o-chem series, i scored in those classes higher than overage... (Overage in those classes was C). But see the thing is that after that quarter i didnt get anything lower than B-. It was just a big mistake

I'm slightly confused.. is overage different from average?

What's your overall GPA now, and how many more years do you have before you plan to apply? What do your extracurriculars look like and/or MCAT scores?

 

[Isoprop]

The were several circumstances...

1. My o-chem instructor was a jackass. He didnt teach us at all, every class he was just telling to us to work in the groups and built models. However, exams were terribly hard. From 80 students in class stayed around 30.

2. Other reason yes, i was goofy, not serious to my education, was partying and plus at the end of the quarter before finals i went to Canada. (I do regret about it alot! I cant forgive myself for it... )

3. The last reason at the time i was taking those classes i was probably too young for them...

Learn from your mistakes. 😎 Hope you're doing better.

 

[Yudid]

I'm slightly confused.. is overage different from average?

What's your overall GPA now, and how many more years do you have before you plan to apply? What do your extracurriculars look like and/or MCAT scores?

Sorry i meant "average." Non science GPA is high around 3.8. Science GPA is terrible, it is very and very low.. I didnt take an MCAT yet cuz i still need to finish with physics. I have no idea when to apply because basically i'll finish with physics and 1 bio class this year, then i want to take mcat prep course...

 

[Yudid]

fall quarter ia taking physics for engineers one and three and calc 2. But i can retake my bio class (where i got F) instead of taking calc. Any ideas what to choose??????

 

[itsalovestory]

Sorry i meant "average." Non science GPA is high around 3.8. Science GPA is terrible, it is very and very low.. I didnt take an MCAT yet cuz i still need to finish with physics. I have no idea when to apply because basically i'll finish with physics and 1 bio class this year, then i want to take mcat prep course...

I'm sorry to probe, but what's your overall GPA including the science classes? I only ask so that we can think of whether you should apply right out of undergrad, or whether you should consider a post-bac program of some sort.

Also, and I know this isn't an easy question, but tell us why you want to be a doctor. Tell us about your extracurricular work, so we can see a background of where you are besides for just these classes.

 

[Techno]

I know how you feel. I ended up with some terrible grades (couple D's and an F in pre-reqs), and i always think about if i will ever be accepted into an MD school. I knew it was because i wasn't working hard enough and didn't care enough.
I just tell myself there is nothing i can do now, but work my ass off in every class i take from now on! I also tried to appeal those grades i received, but nothing. So i chose option 1. Im going to retake everything and work really hard.
Try option 2 first, if that doesn't work, try option 1 and work extremely hard! If this is your passion like it is mine, then nothing should stop you. Just know it is very important to get good grades, no more room for mistakes like this.
Good luck😀

 

[Yudid]

I'm sorry to probe, but what's your overall GPA including the science classes? I only ask so that we can think of whether you should apply right out of undergrad, or whether you should consider a post-bac program of some sort.

Also, and I know this isn't an easy question, but tell us why you want to be a doctor. Tell us about your extracurricular work, so we can see a background of where you are besides for just these classes.

Ou its totally ok. My overal GPA at school where i failed those classes is 2.92. I know its very bad.... (Basically it went from 3.6 to 2.7 after i failed those classes)

Right now i am at the different school i basically just started.. My GPA over there is 3.1. Not that great too but i am working on it...

I want to become a doctor because i cant imagine myself in any other professions.. accounting is not interesting for me, teaching is kind of boring.. Plus, i dont mind all those years of school...

My background is simple... After highschool i didnt really work. Volunteered at the hospital for a year (surgery information desk). Before that situation got several honors and awards, also got several simple sertificates, right now planning to do some more activities around and get more sertificates

 

[JJMrK]

Option 2 isn't going to fly. Even if that was possible, you'd probably still be required to report those classes to AMCAS per their rules and requirements.

IMO you need to retake those classes and shoot for A's. Look into DO schools, as their application service replaces grades for classes that were retaken.

 

[Yudid]

Option 2 isn't going to fly. Even if that was possible, you'd probably still be required to report those classes to AMCAS per their rules and requirements.

IMO you need to retake those classes and shoot for A's. Look into DO schools, as their application service replaces grades for classes that were retaken.

Yeah, i was thinking about DO but the thing is that with DO it is hard to get into certain programs to do residency... And so far i was thinking about anesthesiology.. Probably its impossible huh...

 

[Yudid]

I know how you feel. I ended up with some terrible grades (couple D's and an F in pre-reqs), and i always think about if i will ever be accepted into an MD school. I knew it was because i wasn't working hard enough and didn't care enough.
I just tell myself there is nothing i can do now, but work my ass off in every class i take from now on! I also tried to appeal those grades i received, but nothing. So i chose option 1. Im going to retake everything and work really hard.
Try option 2 first, if that doesn't work, try option 1 and work extremely hard! If this is your passion like it is mine, then nothing should stop you. Just know it is very important to get good grades, no more room for mistakes like this.
Good luck😀

Yeah we are in the same boat. Thanks for understanding!😉

 

[JJMrK]

Yeah, i was thinking about DO but the thing is that with DO it is hard to get into certain programs to do residency... And so far i was thinking about anesthesiology.. Probably its impossible huh...

Look at the DO sub-forum for more information. It might be a harder path, but if that's your only option are you really going to turn it down?

 

[Yudid]

Look at the DO sub-forum for more information. It might be a harder path, but if that's your only option are you really going to turn it down?

No i won't turn it down... I will apply to both several MD and several DO schools whichever is going to accept u know... The only place where i won't apply is Caribbean med schools. And i do not discriminate those schools, i just want to stay in states, i have some personal reasons for it...

 

[Contrarian]

Like others have suggested retake the classes, but you really need to get A's this time around. Do your best to show an upward trend in gpa and adcoms will see this as maturity. Finally you must hit the mcat hard to prove mental capability.

 

[Yudid]

Like others have suggested retake the classes, but you really need to get A's this time around. Do your best to show an upward trend in gpa and adcoms will see this as maturity. Finally you must hit the mcat hard to prove mental capability.

If i will retake those classes then should i retake them at the same school or i can retake them at the different place? I transferred to a different school and class numbers bit different however, titles are exactly the same....

P.S. The school in which i am right now is harder than the previous one but i like it more...

 

[Contrarian]

Like others have suggested retake the classes, but you really need to get A's this time around. Do your best to show an upward trend in gpa and adcoms will see this as maturity. Finally you must hit the mcat hard to prove mental capability.

If i will retake those classes then should i retake them at the same school or i can retake them at the different place? I transferred to a different school and class numbers bit different however, titles are exactly the same....

P.S. The school in which i am right now is harder than the previous one but i like it more...

It's much more important that you take the classes where you feel comfortable and think you will outperform. If that's your current school, great.

 

[Yudid]

Option 2 isn't going to fly. Even if that was possible, you'd probably still be required to report those classes to AMCAS per their rules and requirements.

IMO you need to retake those classes and shoot for A's. Look into DO schools, as their application service replaces grades for classes that were retaken.

How am i going to report them if they won't be on my record?

 

[itsalovestory]

I don't know if the grade would be "replaced" if it is at a different college... because they would be two different transcripts, and the content/difficulty of the classes may vary.

 

[chicubsfan]

You could also look into doing some kind of SMP after you graduate and getting stellar grades to show the adcomms how much you have improved.

 

[itsalovestory]

If you haven't taken a lot of your prereqs, you could also consider Columbia's postbac pre-med program.

 

[Yudid]

You could also look into doing some kind of SMP after you graduate and getting stellar grades to show the adcomms how much you have improved.

I dont really know what is SMP. Could u please clarify it for me?

 

[Yudid]

If you haven't taken a lot of your prereqs, you could also consider Columbia's postbac pre-med program.

Thats actually a nice idea i read a little bit about that program.. Thanks!

 

[JJMrK]

How am i going to report them if they won't be on my record?

AMCAS requires you to report every class you have ever taken. You do not get a free pass just because you didn't do as well as you would have liked.

 

[CielloStelatto]

I agree with a lot of what has been said. First just focus on finishing up and getting your degree. From now on, do not let anything get in the way of your academics - if it is something you are really serious about, you will do this. Shoot for A's. Don't let yourself get F's or D's in any future or upper level science classes, because that would ruin the "upward trend" that you really need to show. Find the way that you study and learn best. Rinse and repeat. Post-bac or SMP may be a really great option for you, especially as you say you don't mind the years of school.

Good luck!

 

[Yudid]

AMCAS requires you to report every class you have ever taken. You do not get a free pass just because you didn't do as well as you would have liked.

Yeah i knew that they have no forgiveness but i didnt know that i will have to report even something that is not on my record... 😡.

No forgiveness for mistakes sniff sniff

 

[JJMrK]

Yeah i knew that they have no forgiveness but i didnt know that i will have to report even something that is not on my record... 😡.

No forgiveness for mistakes sniff sniff

DO schools allow you to replace grades for classes that you retake.

 

[itsalovestory]

DO schools allow you to replace grades for classes that you retake.

Yeah, but she's retaking similar classes at a new institution. I don't know if DO schools would consider it a retake and replace the grade if the two classes are from different institutions and on different transcripts.

 

[Exalya]

Yeah, but she's retaking similar classes at a new institution. I don't know if DO schools would consider it a retake and replace the grade if the two classes are from different institutions and on different transcripts.

To my knowledge they do. I could replace, for example, my University O Chem II with O Chem II that I took at a community college (they actually offer it in my local CC, go figure).

 

[itsalovestory]

To my knowledge they do. I could replace, for example, my University O Chem II with O Chem II that I took at a community college (they actually offer it in my local CC, go figure).

Oh wow, that's pretty cool then.

 

[Yudid]

To my knowledge they do. I could replace, for example, my University O Chem II with O Chem II that I took at a community college (they actually offer it in my local CC, go figure).

I guess this kind of answers on my question which i posted on thread "Calc or cell bio." Hope its true, thanks alot!😉

 

[Bacchus]

Yeah, i was thinking about DO but the thing is that with DO it is hard to get into certain programs to do residency... And so far i was thinking about anesthesiology.. Probably its impossible huh...

You can apply for AOA (Osteopathic) anesthesia residencies. You also, assuming you do well, can land an allopathic residency in anesthesia as a DO. I believe some DOs got into Johns Hopkins this year as anesthesia residents. Its not impossible, work hard.

 

[LabMonster]

The were several circumstances... 1. My o-chem instructor was a jackass.

Doesn't matter, you still failed it.

He didnt teach us at all, every class he was just telling to us to work in the groups and built models. However, exams were terribly hard. From 80 students in class stayed around 30.

Many people find O-Chem to be very challenging. O-chem takes work.

2. Other reason yes, i was goofy, not serious to my education, was partying and plus at the end of the quarter before finals i went to Canada. (I do regret about it alot! I cant forgive myself for it... )

Forgive yourself, realize you caused your failures and reassess why you are in college in the first place.

3. The last reason at the time i was taking those classes i was probably too young for them...

Or too young for college and life on your own.

I'm not trying to be malevolent, but you know why you didn't do well and you've clearly outlined why. You didn't give a damn because you were having a great time. Advice from someone who knows what that is all about: take a semester off, get a job, and re-evaluate your education goals.

By the way, making a petition to excuse your grades (even if losing credit) is shameful. You made choices, you reaped the consequences and you must deal with them like the rest of us.

Also, please don't belittle our DO colleagues by saying because you were lazy you will pursue DO school.

Again, I'm being real, even if it stings. Re-evaluate your education goals. It's never a bad thing to take time off (and not get bad grades) to learn how bad you actually want an education.

 

[Yudid]

Doesn't matter, you still failed it.

Many people find O-Chem to be very challenging. O-chem takes work.

Forgive yourself, realize you caused your failures and reassess why you are in college in the first place.

Or too young for college and life on your own.

I'm not trying to be malevolent, but you know why you didn't do well and you've clearly outlined why. You didn't give a damn because you were having a great time. Advice from someone who knows what that is all about: take a semester off, get a job, and re-evaluate your education goals.

By the way, making a petition to excuse your grades (even if losing credit) is shameful. You made choices, you reaped the consequences and you must deal with them like the rest of us.

Also, please don't belittle our DO colleagues by saying because you were lazy you will pursue DO school.

Again, I'm being real, even if it stings. Re-evaluate your education goals. It's never a bad thing to take time off (and not get bad grades) to learn how bad you actually want an education.

The ugly truth huh... I know you are right and i partially agree with u... i already reevaluated my life. I dont really have many friends right now... because i am trying to stay away from the trouble, i dont party at all. For now my life is just school...

 

[LabMonster]

If that is what you want Yudid - go for it 😀 Always go for it.

 

[LabMonster]

I dont really have many friends right now... because i am trying to stay away from the trouble, i dont party at all.

I had to comment on this - even though you only partially agree with me 😉

If you don't really have many friends right now, make new ones. You want to go to med-school, then you are a nerd. You may be a partying nerd, but you're still a nerd. Find some other nerds and hang out. Before long, you'll be talking Amadori rearrangements. 😎

 

[Yudid]

If that is what you want Yudid - go for it 😀 Always go for it.

I was thinking about ur posts and u reminded me about my friend lol. He used to talk in exactly the same way about these kinda stuff.. LOL. By the way i know Yudid sounds bit stupid, i just didnt know what username to choose hahaha.