My stats and acceptance/rejection.

[avagadro]

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Hello everyone,

I have been reading SDN's form for quite some while. Very good information. Big ups to the contributors! 😀

I think im in an unpleasant situation at the moment.

I just finished my second fall semester and have so far completed 30 credits.

My GPA is less than 2 (1.9) for those 30 credits! 😡

I still have 80 credits left I think, for a BS.

First, my GPA is due to me not studying. I realize this and its now time to put in the effort. But is it even worth it now ?

I'm attending a CC and will probably take 3 classes
(2 arts/1 sci) for the current semester.

I'm just wondering if I have to get all A's now ? If so isn't that a bit too difficult even if I study night and day ?

How many of you had a strong upward trend , A's and B's, after you had completed 30 credits ? How many of you got an acceptance ?

I don't know, but doesnt 30 credits of bad grades seem extremely bad ?

 

[DocInProgress]

i started my freshman yr with a gpa of 2.6 and ended with a 3.5 overall. with a gpa of less than 2.0, you will definitely need a 4.0 every semester to get up to 3.4 and over.. now that u had fun slacking off from work, it's time you need to pay attention to your work and give it your all.

with 4.0 for the rest of 80 credits, let's calculate:

1.9(30) + 4.0 (80) = 57.0 + 320 = 377/110 = 3.42 <-- that's the best you can get now. (serious)

 

[avagadro]

gosh that seems impossible !


Has anyone done this before or something like it ?

 

[DocInProgress]

gosh that seems impossible

well, the other option is.. you can get a 3.1 or 3.2 gpa with a killer mcat score (30 or over). couple of people on sdn had those stats and got into schools like pcom.

 

[EEL08]

With AACOMAS though you can raise it with retakes. Definitely don't give up yet, you've only just begun. Do you have to work a lot to support yourself?

 

[avagadro]

well, the other option is.. you can get a 3.1 or 3.2 gpa with a killer mcat score (30 or over). couple of people on sdn had those stats and got into schools like pcom.

hmm...so are my chances slim if have a 3.1/3.2 and an average mcat ?

 

[superfan56]

hmm...so are my chances slim if have a 3.1/3.2 and an average mcat ?

much better than they are now.

 

[avagadro]

With AACOMAS though you can raise it with retakes. Definitely don't give up yet, you've only just begun. Do you have to work a lot to support yourself?

Hello,

I took a year off to work so I have enough money for 4 years.

 

[DadAndPreDOinMO]

Just do your best. That is all you can do. It's not unheard of to get in with less than stellar stats. I got in with a 3.2 gpa and 25 mcat, but I also had lots of other things going on in undergrad like 3 jobs, a wife and two kids.
Just work hard and whatever happens happens. Good luck.

 

[Nasem]

30 credits is NOTHING.... you can easily fix that GPA...

Do your best for the next 80 credits (by that I mean obtain nothing less than 3.5) and your overall GPA will be touching 3.3ish (which isn't bad at all)

Just take your undergrad studies seriously, and you'll be good to go

 

[avagadro]

Alright, thanks a lot guys.

I just needed some opinions as to whether I should continue on with my studies or quit and do something more relastic. I have 2f's which I can hopefully retake and get an A/B. The rest are mostly C's with the exception of a few B's.

thanks again.

 

[avagadro]

30 credits is NOTHING.... you can easily fix that GPA...

Do your best for the next 80 credits (by that I mean obtain nothing less than 3.5) and your overall GPA will be touching 3.3ish (which isn't bad at all)

Just take your undergrad studies seriously, and you'll be good to go

Wow.

THANKS ALOT 😍😍

I'm so relived that someone said that.

thanks NASEM 😀😀😀

(Thanks to the other posters aswell 😍 )

 

[DadAndPreDOinMO]

have you take any prereqs? Like gen chem or physics

 

[avagadro]

have you take any prereqs? Like gen chem or physics

Unfortunately, my 30 credits are based on the pre-reqs...though I seriously think I could have gotten an A in those if I studied. I was just being arrogant/immature since most of the material covered in those classes, I had done previously during high-school. But it got to the point where I stopped attending lectures, not preparing for labs, not doing assignments etc. and thats when things fell downwards.

Is it bad that most of my bad grades are pre-requisite classes ? I'm sure if I do well in upper division bio/chem courses than my bad grades will not be looked down upon ?

 

[DadAndPreDOinMO]

Do you live under a bridge??

 

[avagadro]

What are you trying to ask ?

 

[EEL08]

Unfortunately, my 30 credits are based on the pre-reqs...though I seriously think I could have gotten an A in those if I studied. I was just being arrogant/immature since most of the material covered in those classes, I had done previously during high-school. But it got to the point where I stopped attending lectures, not preparing for labs, not doing assignments etc. and thats when things fell downwards.

Is it bad that most of my bad grades are pre-requisite classes ? I'm sure if I do well in upper division bio/chem courses than my bad grades will not be looked down upon ?

Yeah that's pretty bad. No but seriously, when I first went to college back in '96 I was fascinated by the idea of not having to go to class if I didn't want to. I ended up not going to class all that much and not really studying so after my first semester I ended up on academic probation with like a 1.78 or something. Granted that was only after 15 or so hours and I wasn't pre-med at the time but after improving my grades from there on and retaking a couple of the prereqs I was able to bring up my GPAs. If you don't have to worry about working just buckle down now that you've realized what you need to do and study a lot and work hard but also enjoy yourself socially and in ECs.

 

[TexasTriathlete]

After my first freshman year, my GPA was less than 1.0. In fact, I think it was less than 0.5.

 

[DadAndPreDOinMO]

I'm just curious how you've taken 30 hours and they are based on prereq's. What prereq's have you taken?

 

[avagadro]

I'm just curious how you've taken 30 hours and they are based on prereq's. What prereq's have you taken?

• Biology: A minimum of eight semester hours, including two semester hours of laboratory work. These eight hours may consist of general biology or zoology, or a combination of biology, zoology and botany.
• Inorganic Chemistry: A minimum of eight semester hours, including two semester hours of laboratory work.
• Organic Chemistry: A minimum of eight semester hours, including two semester hours of laboratory work.
• Physics: A minimum of eight semester hours, including two hours of laboratory work.
• English: A minimum of six semester hours of composition and literature.
• Behavioral Sciences: A minimum of six semester hours of courses in the behavioral sciences; i.e., psychology, sociology, anthropology, medical ethics, or philosophy.

I've taken most of these- as you can see the total is greater than 30 credits.

 

[toothsome]

I'm curious as to why you were not and still have not been placed on academic probation for those grades. My school gives you a warning of probation after getting less then a 2.2 after one semester. In fact, how come you were not kicked out, cause 30 credits is over 2 full time semesters. Good though, I'm sure this has been an eye opener.🙂 Don't give up!

 

[FinchHead]

You can fix your GPA. A B.S. requires 120 units, so you would actually need 90 more. In 90 units, you can get your GPA to about a 3.4, which is competitive.

Also, you will continue to fail at things until you're able to do stuff yourself without people reassuring you all the time... You seem to be looking for the easiest possible way, and for people to reassure you that it's good enough.

First, my GPA is due to me not studying. I realize this and its now time to put in the effort. But is it even worth it now ?

It's good you are taking responsibility for your actions, but the answer to this question totally depends on you. If you are able to maintain a high enough GPA to be competitive, yes it's worth it. Otherwise no.

I'm just wondering if I have to get all A's now ? If so isn't that a bit too difficult even if I study night and day ?

We are not your mom. You have to get whatever you want to get, you are your own man. It goes unsaid, but the more A's the better. It's like you're asking us to excuse you and say, "nah you don't need A's, just do the best you can!". Well, the best you can is not always good enough. You pretty much do need to get mostly A's from now on if you want a shot at medical school.

I don't mean to be harsh, but your behavior is clearly approval seeking. You still have a chance at turning things around. It's all on you 👍

 

[reaton]

Think about this for a minute - you don't like to study? You want to go to medical school? DUH! If you don't want to study and you are not willing to study hard to make up for the bad grades how will you survive in medical school?

Find an easy profession - like alopathic school?

 

[gochi]

I know I will study but even if I do I just don't know if I can get an A in courses such as organic chemistry, quantum chemistry, physical chemistry etc..

Reaton, do you think alopathic school is easy ? I surely don't.

 

[meggielou]

if adcoms see an upward trend in your grades (i.e. the next 80 credits), you have a better chance. Also, as others have said before, it might be in your best interest to retake some of the classes 🙂

 

[InTheMaking]

So, based on you admitting you didn't even study, I'd say a whole lifestyle change for 3 years is going to be hard. I'd imagine you end with a 3.0-3.1 if you try really hard and retake some classes. With an MCAT 29 or above you've probably got a good chance at osteo school. I don't think you got a shot at allopathic unless you're hitting that 3.4 and you absolutely destroy the MCAT (we're talking a year of studying and a 34+).

Just my 2 cents.

 

[patrickd223]

Retake the classes you failed and the grades will be replaced for DO schools. It is however still a big smudge on your transcript so you will need to get mostly A's if not all A's if you want to get in.

 

[gochi]

Just study hard and you will where you want.

 

[mosel]

i believe aacomas will replace your F's with your more recent grades in those classes if you retake. so, if you retake and make a's or b's, your gpa won't be so bad after all... allopathic doesn't do this to my understanding, i think they average the grades...

i do think if you don't mature up right quick and get serious, you will make it extremely difficult to ever get into a us med school

 

[NickOICU812]

Unfortunately, my 30 credits are based on the pre-reqs...though I seriously think I could have gotten an A in those if I studied. I was just being arrogant/immature since most of the material covered in those classes, I had done previously during high-school. But it got to the point where I stopped attending lectures, not preparing for labs, not doing assignments etc. and thats when things fell downwards.

Is it bad that most of my bad grades are pre-requisite classes ? I'm sure if I do well in upper division bio/chem courses than my bad grades will not be looked down upon ?

I think the best thing to do is discuss it with your adviser. Lots of schools let you re-take classes that you did badly in. In some cases, the old grade is erased and replaced with the most recent one. Ask your adviser about this before simply signing up for the same classes again. This was my back-up plan if I'd happened fail a class. Re-taking a few classes would be a lot easier than trying to get all A's for the next three years.

 

[avagadro]

Thats what I was going to do...

I only have 2 F's the rest are C's and one C- which Im not going to retake...

Would you guys recommend me retaking some courses in which I got a C in ? I dont know if its worth it, because ultimately I know the material and its fairly straight forward/easy so I think I would be wasting my money retaking courses on which I got a C in.

Phys 1/chem 2/bio 1/bio2/math 1 are all course in which I could get A's, but I dont think its worth it...I really do not want to take the labs again.

Any input would be valuable- thanks to the people who PM'ed me 😀

 

[phEight]

Thats what I was going to do...

I only have 2 F's the rest are C's and one C- which Im not going to retake...

Would you guys recommend me retaking some courses in which I got a C in ? I dont know if its worth it, because ultimately I know the material and its fairly straight forward/easy so I think I would be wasting my money retaking courses on which I got a C in.

Phys 1/chem 2/bio 1/bio2/math 1 are all course in which I could get A's, but I dont think its worth it...I really do not want to take the labs again.

Any input would be valuable- thanks to the people who PM'ed me 😀

The C's are optional for you to retake. What you should do is list all your classes and project a future GPA with estimated grades in your future classes. Plan everything out. The C's aren't necessary to retake as F's and D's are, but in the end if a few C's that are retaken make a dent in your overall GPA then it may be worth it. For now you should concentrate on re-taking the F's and planning out the next few years of your academic life. Plus, why would you have to re-take the labs? Can't you just re-take the lectures? Lab's are only 1 or 2 credit hour max so I really doubt those will affect you too much, unless they were F's or D's.

To give you some comfort I have 3 F's and a D on my transcript and a few C's. I'm on a steep uphill battle to accomplishing my dreams, but I've set my mind to do this and I'm not resting till I've accomplished it. It takes a lot of effort to become an excellent student in classes like Organic after you've been used to slacking and failing in school. It will require focus and dedication on your part, and you're no longer allowed to make slips. Best of luck to you.

 

[avagadro]

Thanks alot pheight- good luck to you aswell.

 

[reaton]

I know I will study but even if I do I just don't know if I can get an A in courses such as organic chemistry, quantum chemistry, physical chemistry etc..

Reaton, do you think alopathic school is easy ? I surely don't.

It's called SARCASM - it's easy to understand. I really don't understand, why pick a field of study that you will not do well in? Why not take something you enjoy, save yourself the headaches and only take the prereq's.

Who you trying to impress with quantum chemistry, the med school admissions committee. I am sure they would just as gladly admit a well round music or art major who had a great college career as opposed to a stressed out quantum chemistry student who only spent all their time studying or in a lab (someone not even bright enough to understand sarcasm).

 

[reaton]

Just study hard and you will where you want. _ Not True - these are just sweet little sugar words to make the original poster feel better about themselve. How many people never make it into medical school and they study hard and DON'T get what they want? The original poster admitted he does not like to study. Tell him to grow up and see the world as it really is, not give him a little pat on the back and tell him it will be okay, just try a little harder. He needs to grow up and realize that it takes HARD WORK and dedication. What do you think medical school will be like??????????????? for someone who does not like to study.

To give you some comfort I have 3 F's and a D on my transcript and a few C's. I'm on a steep uphill battle to accomplishing my dreams, but I've set my mind to do this and I'm not resting till I've accomplished it. It takes a lot of effort to become an excellent student in classes like Organic after you've been used to slacking and failing in school. It will require focus and dedication on your part, and you're no longer allowed to make slips. Best of luck to you. SEE someone who is realistic and realizes what they are up against and are willing to face the battle. This poster at least has a chance of making it and I hope he/she does.
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[phEight]

Just study hard and you will where you want. _ Not True - these are just sweet little sugar words to make the original poster feel better about themselve. How many people never make it into medical school and they study hard and DON'T get what they want? The original poster admitted he does not like to study. Tell him to grow up and see the world as it really is, not give him a little pat on the back and tell him it will be okay, just try a little harder. He needs to grow up and realize that it takes HARD WORK and dedication. What do you think medical school will be like??????????????? for someone who does not like to study.
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reaton is very right. It's no joke and it's not a matter you should take lightly. If you've failed classes before chances are you're lacking the study habits and hard work to a point where you can't gain them just like that with some changes in thought. It really requires intense focus and dedication and you need to be up for it. Or else you'll be back at square one before you realize it. Write your goals down, if you don't plan everything out you are going to be setting yourself up for failure. This is about the truest advice I can give you from personal experience, do not take it lightly. 👍

Thanks for the good wishes/luck reaton & avagadro.

 

[avagadro]

reaton is very right. It's no joke and it's not a matter you should take lightly. If you've failed classes before chances are you're lacking the study habits and hard work to a point where you can't gain them just like that with some changes in thought. It really requires intense focus and dedication and you need to be up for it. Or else you'll be back at square one before you realize it. Write your goals down, if you don't plan everything out you are going to be setting yourself up for failure. This is about the truest advice I can give you from personal experience, do not take it lightly. 👍

Thanks for the good wishes/luck reaton & avagadro.

I think I was taking it too lightly, but nevertheless, I think all one needs to do in order to have/maintain good study habits is to be disciplined. Once I start devoting time into the courses Im sure I will do well- Im not stupid or anything, if I study I do well, if I dont....

 

[Nasem]

Wow.

THANKS ALOT 😍😍

I'm so relived that someone said that.

thanks NASEM 😀😀😀

(Thanks to the other posters aswell 😍 )

since most of your 30 credits are coming from sciences, you will now need to take additional science classes to bump up that science GPA.... here is a tip, do you like geology? becaues If I remember correctly, any course in geology is considerd towards your science GPA by AACOMAS

there is one thing to remember though, MOST medical schools (talking about DO) like to see you do your pre-reqs with a C or higher (I think thats what... 2.5? or higher).... so If you go a head and retake those chemistry courses and earn higher marks, not only will they make you pass the C or higher requirement, but also, it will BUMP up your science and over all GPA .... Because as you know, AACOMAS only calculates one of the retakes (not both), they will take the most recent one, so DON'T **** up !!

good luck

 

[t-funk]

since most of your 30 credits are coming from sciences, you will now need to take additional science classes to bump up that science GPA.... here is a tip, do you like geology? becaues If I remember correctly, any course in geology is considerd towards your science GPA by AACOMAS

Being a Geology major with somewhere around 70 hours in Geolgy, I'm not real sure what you're getting at here unless you're talking about GEO101 for non-majors. Geology is absolutely no easier than Biology.

 

[CommanderRiker]

Hello everyone,

I have been reading SDN's form for quite some while. Very good information. Big ups to the contributors! 😀

I think im in an unpleasant situation at the moment.

I just finished my second fall semester and have so far completed 30 credits.

My GPA is less than 2 (1.9) for those 30 credits! 😡

I still have 80 credits left I think, for a BS.

First, my GPA is due to me not studying. I realize this and its now time to put in the effort. But is it even worth it now ?

I'm attending a CC and will probably take 3 classes
(2 arts/1 sci) for the current semester.

I'm just wondering if I have to get all A's now ? If so isn't that a bit too difficult even if I study night and day ?

How many of you had a strong upward trend , A's and B's, after you had completed 30 credits ? How many of you got an acceptance ?

I don't know, but doesnt 30 credits of bad grades seem extremely bad ?

Riker here. Executing log entry H.H.-Beta.

You have no chance at allopathic schools. However, D.O. schools are much easier to get into and if you make good grades you will get in. At P.C.O.M. the highest M.C.A.T. was a 33. At many top allopathic schools a man can barely qualify for an interview with that. 😎

Computer, end entry.

 

[PlAnEjaNe]

Being a Geology major with somewhere around 70 hours in Geolgy, I'm not real sure what you're getting at here unless you're talking about GEO101 for non-majors. Geology is absolutely no easier than Biology.

I think the suggestion was geology because if OP has exhausted all other science courses, like bio and whatnot...then there is always geology because that too counts in science gpa...not as an easy alternative to other science courses.

PlAnEjaNe

 

[EEL08]

Riker here. Executing log entry H.H.-Beta.

You have no chance at allopathic schools. However, D.O. schools are much easier to get into and if you make good grades you will get in. At P.C.O.M. the highest M.C.A.T. was a 33. At many top allopathic schools a man can barely qualify for an interview with that. 😎

Computer, end entry.

Wow I haven't seen you on here in forever. Do you frequent the other boards still?

 

[ks417]

Not to be rude, but if you got less than a 2.0 at CC with freshman level classes I'd strongly suggest a backup plan. It is possible to get a 4.0 from here on out but I'd hate for you to limp yourself through and not get accepted and ask yourself why you didn't change your plans after that 1.9.

Study night and day will not help you. Sometimes you can study too much. I can assume you put forth an effort for that 1.9 so upper level classes are going to bring you 1.6 semesters.

I'd suggest switching majors... or career paths.. maybe University Studies, Divinity, or Physical Education.

 

[ks417]

30 credits is NOTHING.... you can easily fix that GPA...

Do your best for the next 80 credits (by that I mean obtain nothing less than 3.5) and your overall GPA will be touching 3.3ish (which isn't bad at all)

Just take your undergrad studies seriously, and you'll be good to go

A 3.3 overall is fluid now imo and in a couple years will only be worse. Keep in mind that averages at both D.O. schools and M.D. schools rise each year...

 

[gochi]

Not to be rude, but if you got less than a 2.0 at CC with freshman level classes I'd strongly suggest a backup plan. It is possible to get a 4.0 from here on out but I'd hate for you to limp yourself through and not get accepted and ask yourself why you didn't change your plans after that 1.9.

Study night and day will not help you. Sometimes you can study too much. I can assume you put forth an effort for that 1.9 so upper level classes are going to bring you 1.6 semesters.

I'd suggest switching majors... or career paths.. maybe University Studies, Divinity, or Physical Education.

Dont the adcoms frown about other majors not related to science ?

 

[avagadro]

I didnt take those at a CC- I stated that Im now taking 3 classes at a CC.
Im sticking to my science major as I think its something i can and will excel at if I put in the time.

Besides, if worst come to worst, I'll retake some courses- which will be my backup plan.

Like NASEM said, 30 credits is nothing- still have 90 credits left.

 

[t-funk]

I think the suggestion was geology because if OP has exhausted all other science courses, like bio and whatnot...then there is always geology because that too counts in science gpa...not as an easy alternative to other science courses.

PlAnEjaNe

Oh, but if the OP only has 30 credit hours, I doubt he has exhausted his available courses. Geology is really only for people who truly love it, like me, bc most people find it unbelievably boring. If the OP can't do well in in something he truly loves or in courses related to what he/she wants to do in life, he/she will not do well in Geology courses other than possibly 101 and 1 class isn't really going to bring up your GPA and probably isn't really worth it to take a course you don't like. Plus each course usually involves a 5 day field trip where you go to a mountain range or some other geological feature and rough it while you hike the mountain looking at rocks. Why anyone who isn't interested in this would want to do that is beyond me.

 

[avagadro]

Thanks for the encouragement. 😀

Im going to change my study habits aswell as isolate myself from alot of distractions that resulted in me doing poorly my first year. The next 3 years I will have a whole different approach towards school, but its going to be fairly hard to get a 4.0 every semester.🙁

 

[Nasem]

Thanks for the encouragement. 😀

Im going to change my study habits aswell as isolate myself from alot of distractions that resulted in me doing poorly my first year. The next 3 years I will have a whole different approach towards school, but its going to be fairly hard to get a 4.0 every semester.🙁

don't think of it as "omg I HAVE to have a 4.0 every term"

If you start thinking this way, your going to give up in 6 months and go back to your old habits....

Just think like this:
"Im going to do the best I can....Period"
One thing I learned from being a student is that we usually KNOW exactly how we are doing, if we are screwing around and leaving off every assignment, we know about it, we know when we are doing it, and sometimes, we just don't give a s*** lol (and thats why you see folks with lower GPAs who ADMITTIDLY say "we screwed around alot")...... The point is, when you start screwing around, and not paying attention to your studies (kind of like you have been doing for those 30 credits), your going to know about it, and when you do, your going to have to make a decision whether you want to continue this route to medicine to just forget about it all together and letting that GPA trash down into the crapper

good luck

 

[Nasem]

A 3.3 overall is fluid now imo and in a couple years will only be worse. Keep in mind that averages at both D.O. schools and M.D. schools rise each year...

I don't agree with this, a 3.3 is a 3.3

I underestand that Medical school competition is raising tremendously (MD and DO), but it is not going to get to a point where a 3.3 in 3-4 years is equivilant to a 3.0 (or less) of today....

lol, our GPAs doesn't have the same inflation rates as our mighty american dollars 🙂