My view...2 cents

[2win]

Obama won with a large margin.
He won because
1) He is FOR ABORTION - means that the majority of women want to have sex, are dumb enough to become pregnant and are cheap enough to ask OTHERS to pay to kill their child. That's ....speechless.
2) He is for ILLEGAL immigration. All of mexicans with a right to vote have like 10 other illegal relatives here in the USA. Of course they voted for Him. The King.
3) Blacks - almost all of them. Shows us that the Baptist church is not changing the color of people.
4) DC - how much??? Like 95% for Ob? Public employes - federal suckers, paid by us
5) Cook County type - sucking from others. Parasites.
6) West Coast - a melange of PotHeads and latinos - see 2.
Overall - this is a sad reality. I expected this results BUT i had a hope.
No - I am not gonna say that I will immigrate - just because there is no place to go.
I do have though another statement.
I will keep my spending at minimum.
Downgrade the house, get rid of the mexican gardener ( mostly a leaf blower), keep my old car, get land in my republican red neck country, work hard as always, contribute more to my church, save money.
You know - I came here from a former communist country - we know the drill. We know how to survive and win.
God bless,
2win

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[DrAwsome]

Obama won with a large margin.
He won because
1) He is FOR ABORTION - means that the majority of women want to have sex, are dumb enough to become pregnant and are cheap enough to ask OTHERS to pay to kill their child. That's ....speechless.
2) He is for ILLEGAL immigration. All of mexicans with a right to vote have like 10 other illegal relatives here in the USA. Of course they voted for Him. The King.
3) Blacks - almost all of them. Shows us that the Baptist church is not changing the color of people.
4) DC - how much??? Like 95% for Ob? Public employes - federal suckers, paid by us
5) Cook County type - sucking from others. Parasites.
6) West Coast - a melange of PotHeads and latinos - see 2.
Overall - this is a sad reality. I expected this results BUT i had a hope.
No - I am not gonna say that I will immigrate - just because there is no place to go.
I do have though another statement.
I will keep my spending at minimum.
Downgrade the house, get rid of the mexican gardener ( mostly a leaf blower), keep my old car, get land in my republican red neck country, work hard as always, contribute more to my church, save money.
You know - I came here from a former communist country - we know the drill. We know how to survive and win.
God bless,
2win

Although very non-PC, you are right on. My state is shameful, and I think the reasons he won are exactly what you state. He's pro-abortion, pro illegals (although he's told illegals he's pro immigration reform, yet he's deported more illegals than Bush!), he passed that ridiculous immigration dream act thing, he is pro union/pension which is a form of gov handout, and CA has a combo of what you mentioned.

What I could not figure out was NY-why would people in a state like NY, which has a ton of intelligent, educated, cultured, and hard working people, would they vote for him? Same with PA.

Much of the Midwest was the same-lots of African Americans who vote for him merely because he's African American, which is sad, the bailout in MI, etc.

I also find it sad that someone like Jesse Jackson Jr, who has not been working since JUNE!, and did not even campaign, and is being treated for bipolar disorder and being investigated for fraud by the FBI, would win over 2 other people. Mind numbing.

 

[Somnus Tuto]

Obama won with a large margin.
He won because
1) He is FOR ABORTION - means that the majority of women want to have sex, are dumb enough to become pregnant and are cheap enough to ask OTHERS to pay to kill their child. That's ....speechless.
2) He is for ILLEGAL immigration. All of mexicans with a right to vote have like 10 other illegal relatives here in the USA. Of course they voted for Him. The King.
3) Blacks - almost all of them. Shows us that the Baptist church is not changing the color of people.
4) DC - how much??? Like 95% for Ob? Public employes - federal suckers, paid by us
5) Cook County type - sucking from others. Parasites.
6) West Coast - a melange of PotHeads and latinos - see 2.
Overall - this is a sad reality. I expected this results BUT i had a hope.
No - I am not gonna say that I will immigrate - just because there is no place to go.
I do have though another statement.
I will keep my spending at minimum.
Downgrade the house, get rid of the mexican gardener ( mostly a leaf blower), keep my old car, get land in my republican red neck country, work hard as always, contribute more to my church, save money.
You know - I came here from a former communist country - we know the drill. We know how to survive and win.
God bless,
2win

I have always found your posts to be immensely entertaining

(the element of truth in them is undeniable, but good heavens, the hyperbole!!)

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

Are you that guy that was advertising for Romney about having lived in a socialist country and if the rich get poor the poor will get poorer?

 

[BLADEMDA]

Are you that guy that was advertising for Romney about having lived in a socialist country and if the rich get poor the poor will get poorer?

That guy founded Interactive Brokes and is a Billionaire.

 

[ssmallz]

Obama won with a large margin.
He won because
1) He is FOR ABORTION - means that the majority of women want to have sex, are dumb enough to become pregnant and are cheap enough to ask OTHERS to pay to kill their child. That's ....speechless.
2) He is for ILLEGAL immigration. All of mexicans with a right to vote have like 10 other illegal relatives here in the USA. Of course they voted for Him. The King.
3) Blacks - almost all of them. Shows us that the Baptist church is not changing the color of people.
4) DC - how much??? Like 95% for Ob? Public employes - federal suckers, paid by us
5) Cook County type - sucking from others. Parasites.
6) West Coast - a melange of PotHeads and latinos - see 2.
Overall - this is a sad reality. I expected this results BUT i had a hope.
No - I am not gonna say that I will immigrate - just because there is no place to go.
I do have though another statement.
I will keep my spending at minimum.
Downgrade the house, get rid of the mexican gardener ( mostly a leaf blower), keep my old car, get land in my republican red neck country, work hard as always, contribute more to my church, save money.
You know - I came here from a former communist country - we know the drill. We know how to survive and win.
God bless,
2win

Obama won b/c women vote for him 55-44%. The reasons for this had less to do w/Romney himself and more to do w/the republican's party values. You can't get away w/saying that if a woman has a kid b/c of rape it's god's will. It's got less to do w/actual pro v con abortion and more to do w/how the argument is presented. Same thing w/latinos. You can't go around saying we're going to deport illegals and expect to carry to latino vote. Until republicans learn to massage their message they won't win

 

[neuropathic]

Obama won b/c women vote for him 55-44%. The reasons for this had less to do w/Romney himself and more to do w/the republican's party values. You can't get away w/saying that if a woman has a kid b/c of rape it's god's will. It's got less to do w/actual pro v con abortion and more to do w/how the argument is presented. Same thing w/latinos. You can't go around saying we're going to deport illegals and expect to carry to latino vote. Until republicans learn to massage their message they won't win

Your last sentence does sum it up. The Republican party should focus on strategies to market their messages. And this election is lost largely because of poor marketing. Unfortunately, Romney is also super rich, and the general public don't like rich Republicans. The Country is also moving towards the left, whether legit or scam, more and more people will depend on the government under Obama, and Republicans/conservatives will continue to face an uphill battle in the future.

 

[Slack3r]

Obama won with a large margin.
He won because
1) He is FOR ABORTION - means that the majority of women want to have sex, are dumb enough to become pregnant and are cheap enough to ask OTHERS to pay to kill their child. That's ....speechless.
2) He is for ILLEGAL immigration. All of mexicans with a right to vote have like 10 other illegal relatives here in the USA. Of course they voted for Him. The King.
3) Blacks - almost all of them. Shows us that the Baptist church is not changing the color of people.

He won because the Republican party would prefer to shoot themselves in the foot arguing about gay marriage and abortion and "legitimate rape" rather than winning on economic policies. You alienate quite a few demographics that way, particularly the youth and women vote. And btw, the black vote is typically always >90% Democrat.

I'd like to see a Republican in 2016 run a campaign without all the Bible-thumping, hyperbole like #1. You turn a lot of potential voters off with that kind of nonsense.

 

[ssmallz]

He won because the Republican party would prefer to shoot themselves in the foot arguing about gay marriage and abortion and "legitimate rape" rather than winning on economic policies. You alienate quite a few demographics that way, particularly the youth and women vote. And btw, the black vote is typically always >90% Democrat.

I'd like to see a Republican in 2016 run a campaign without all the Bible-thumping, hyperbole like #1. You turn a lot of potential voters off with that kind of nonsense.

QFT x 1000, it's not rocket science people

 

[Silent Cool]

He won because the Republican party would prefer to shoot themselves in the foot arguing about gay marriage and abortion and "legitimate rape" rather than winning on economic policies. You alienate quite a few demographics that way, particularly the youth and women vote. And btw, the black vote is typically always >90% Democrat.

I'd like to see a Republican in 2016 run a campaign without all the Bible-thumping, hyperbole like #1. You turn a lot of potential voters off with that kind of nonsense.

Yup, that's exactly right. Hit the nail on the head. Repubs will continue to lose until they abandon the radical right social propaganda.

 

[DoctwoB]

He won because the Republican party would prefer to shoot themselves in the foot arguing about gay marriage and abortion and "legitimate rape" rather than winning on economic policies. You alienate quite a few demographics that way, particularly the youth and women vote. And btw, the black vote is typically always >90% Democrat.

I'd like to see a Republican in 2016 run a campaign without all the Bible-thumping, hyperbole like #1. You turn a lot of potential voters off with that kind of nonsense.

Yup, republicans are their own worst enemy. Its impossible to get through the republican primary without coming out the other side damaged by right wing extremist positions. Mitt was the most moderate one, and even he couldn't escape that legacy.

I, and many other young fiscal conservatives I know, will continue to vote democrat (which has actually become more centrist in recent years) until the republican party stops being the party of bigotry, religious-extremism, and obstructionism.

 

[hoyden]

Are you that guy that was advertising for Romney about having lived in a socialist country and if the rich get poor the poor will get poorer?

I do not know if that was him, but the statement about getting poorer is absolutely correct

 

[hoyden]

Obama won b/c women vote for him 55-44%. The reasons for this had less to do w/Romney himself and more to do w/the republican's party values. You can't get away w/saying that if a woman has a kid b/c of rape it's god's will. It's got less to do w/actual pro v con abortion and more to do w/how the argument is presented. Same thing w/latinos. You can't go around saying we're going to deport illegals and expect to carry to latino vote. Until republicans learn to massage their message they won't win

No, it has to do with an infantile psychology of the majority of single women( those are the ones for obama) - it's all about me, around me an only me - sandra fluke as an impersonation of the type.

Married women are predominantly for Romney because they are simply more mature - it takes a lot of sacrifices to build a marriage and it matures you to understanding that even as unique and precious as you are, you are not the center of the universe and neither is your uterus.

As to repubs strategy they should have learn loooong time ago - lie to the stupid people, as the left does and sing the songs they want to hear - the majority of the electorate is simply low on IQ. Toss out gay marriage, abortion and other wishy-washy stuff and concentrate only on economics. If you have to hide your real views on the social matters - do it. Winning the election takes lies and cynicism - see the last one, as a perfect example.

 

[chocomorsel]

If you look at the national polls the big demographic shift vs previous elections wasn't women, or the young, or the anti-religious, and it definitely wasn't the pro choice crowd (the nation has actually gotten much more pro life, per polls). The big change was Hispanics. The republicans, in four years, went from splitting the Hispanic vote to losing it 3:1. You can't win elections like that. Gay marriage and abortion are both sideshows to immigration, at this point. As long as Republicans maintain a forgiveness free attitude towards illegal immigrants, no matter how long they have lived here or how young they came here, they will lose by large margins. Heck, if Hispanics keep voting like this, in 2020 Texas will be blue.

That last part is what my BF says. He and I are very democratic.

OP, surprise surprise we are black. And a large majority of blacks are democratic. We voted for Bill Clinton and he was a white man from Arkansas. Yes, Obama being black sure brings out a lot of blacks to the voting polls. But, most black folk in this country are regular middle class, and poor middle class, so we just don't identify with people like Mitt Romney. Remember this little thing called slavery that kept blacks in this country oppressed and unable to own land and accumulate wealth for hundreds of years? The same wealth that has been passed down to people like Mitt Romney?

Heck, I am a foreigner myself and see a lot of ignorance, lack of long term planning out there in the Black communities. Plenty of black folk out there who believe that to be wealthy in this country one needs to be a rapper/sports figure. But you gotta admit that even the well to do, educated blacks now are only in their second or third generation at the most and there are very few of those. It will take hundreds more years to see a large number blacks in this country on equal footing with the Caucasian majority as many still have to find their way out of poverty. Until that happens, ignorant comments like yours will remain at the forefront of even some of the most educated people I know. Sad.

Also as a woman, it's amazing how easily a man can tell a woman to have an unwanted/unplanned baby for whatever reason. Birth control is not 100% and you as an educated physician knows that. Only abstinence is. And please tell me the last time you knew a man to abstain more than ONE OR TWO MONTHS!!! It's OK for a man to run around and have sex with women because he himself can't get pregnant. But it's wrong for a woman to have an abortion for an unplanned, accidental pregnancy because she's also out there having sex just like any other male. Of course the former is typically referred to as a stud/player while the latter is a slut.

As for the Latinos, they will keep growing and will one day likely be the majority in this country. That's all I gotta say about that.

You are a sexist, racist male. And I thought education brought some enlightenment to people.

When keeping it real goes wrong.

 

[hoyden]

Yup, republicans are their own worst enemy. Its impossible to get through the republican primary without coming out the other side damaged by right wing extremist positions. Mitt was the most moderate one, and even he couldn't escape that legacy.

I, and many other young fiscal conservatives I know, will continue to vote democrat (which has actually become more centrist in recent years) until the republican party stops being the party of bigotry, religious-extremism, and obstructionism.

Don't lie about your fiscal conservatism. You are a typical give me my handout type as all others, if you vote democrat. Social issues do not matter in reality, they matter on papaer and on air - and if you pay attention to them vs fiscal issues, you are simply lying about your fiscal conservatism.

 

[hoyden]

If you look at the national polls the big demographic shift vs previous elections wasn't women, or the young, or the anti-religious, and it definitely wasn't the pro choice crowd (the nation has actually gotten much more pro life, per polls). The big change was Hispanics. The republicans, in four years, went from splitting the Hispanic vote to losing it 3:1. You can't win elections like that. Gay marriage and abortion are both sideshows to immigration, at this point. As long as Republicans maintain a forgiveness free attitude towards illegal immigrants, no matter how long they have lived here or how young they came here, they will lose by large margins. Heck, if Hispanics keep voting like this, in 2020 Texas will be blue.

agree completely

 

[imfrankie]

Cheney-Wolfowitz: "you don't know Dick, we'll mop this up with a billion or less"

 

[neuropathic]

Winning the election takes lies and cynicism - see the last one, as a perfect example.

It certainly seems this way as of late. People don't vote based on who is the best for the country.

 

[JoBreeze]

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[smegmah]

To all the posters who are so upset about the election results. Even if Romney had won, there is nothing that could have stopped Obamacare at this point. No way he would have been able to overturn it. So other than paying more taxes, why is everyone acting like the world is coming to an end. The outcry is much bigger than it was in June considering the SCOTUS decision was probably much more influential. So much negativity here... btw I voted for G. Johnson.

 

[yappy]

Obama also got the Asian vote, too. Who, on average, have higher incomes than whites. How does that work into your free-stuff-for-votes vision of the election? How about the fact that red states, on average, take more from the fed than they pay in taxes. Indeed, true welfare states.

These types arguments are precisely why the R lost. There is ZERO academic rigor to republican/conservative arguments today. They make perfect sense to the ideologue who has bought into the dogma; however, to the rest of the intellectually curious/honest it is clear that most conservative arguments are examples of cognitive dissonance/self promotion.

They have four years to shake off all the Fox & Friends, Trumps, Glen Becks, Rush, Palins, Malcolms etc. etc. and present real arguments to the American people. The whole "upper-class/high income vs entitlement crowd" argument is just another example of this type of non-nonsensical logic perpetuated by pundits that cash in on conservative minded people to sell them gold, guns, their book, and something to "ditto".

The most annoying thing to me about the argument you present OP is that it places conservatives in some sort of moral high ground and that the democrats votes were essentially bought.

It's pathetic and marginalizes other peoples votes; who, are most likely more informed than your prototypical fox-news-watching-entitlement-collecting-fly-over-country-red-state-resident.

EDIT: BTW - I voted for Romney because of his 5 point plan. My beef isn't with Romney - Ryan; it's with the type of marginalization that conservatives always do and their high horse.

 

[QQm]

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[hoyden]

Like the other 47% of the country? Well, I guess 50.4% now.

Like it or not, many of my generation (20-30yo) have strong libertarian tendencies; the gung-ho Ron Paul types kind of annoy me too, but unless the Republican party starts convincing me and others my age that the social conservative wing of the Right does not control the party, the demographic for Republicans will only shrink as younger and minority demographics grow proportionately. Either that, or they will need to cave on immigration to salvage the Latino vote; either way, the status quo is untenable for the Republican party.

a typical handout-loving type of the argument. nobody is going to convince you in anything. the ones who want to know the reality - dig themselves.

Your pocket is going to convince you sooner or later. It might be too late for the steering the country to the right track, but that is going to be YOUR and your generation problem.

If somebody is lazy and stupid - he/she will have to pay for it, even if it is later in life.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money(c)
And then you will have the greece scenario

 

[yappy]

Look at the conservative brand of 2012:

Looks like he didn't go through with punishing his employees for voting wrong afterall:

David Siegel Hasn't Fired Anyone Yet

David Siegel was one of those bosses who told their employees to vote for Mitt Romney in the presidential election. Siegel, 77, is the owner of a private time-share company, Westgate Resorts, in Orlando and says he employs some 7,000 people. "I wanted to let my employees know what will come if they make the wrong choice. They need to worry if Obama gets reelected," he told me in an Oct. 10 interview.

So instead of "buying votes" conservatives attempt to coerce them prior to an election.

 

[hoyden]

Look at the conservative brand of 2012:


Looks like he didn't go through with punishing his employees for voting wrong afterall:

Hasn't Fired Anyone Yet[/URL]



So instead of buying votes conservatives attempt to coerce them prior to an election.

YET

 

[Somnus Tuto]

Look at the conservative brand of 2012:



Looks like he didn't go through with punishing his employees for voting wrong afterall:

David Siegel Hasn't Fired Anyone Yet



So instead of "buying votes" conservatives attempt to coerce them prior to an election.

seems he bought himself a wife just like Teresa Heinz bought herself a husband

 

[QQm]

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[periopdoc]

To all the posters who are so upset about the election results. Even if Romney had won, there is nothing that could have stopped Obamacare at this point. No way he would have been able to overturn it. So other than paying more taxes, why is everyone acting like the world is coming to an end. The outcry is much bigger than it was in June considering the SCOTUS decision was probably much more influential. So much negativity here... btw I voted for G. Johnson.

The full provisions of ACA do not come into effect until 2014. While changes are beginning to be implemented in our systems to meet some of the ridiculous and onerous provisions of the act, we have a long way to go before it is fully implemented.

Had Mitt Romney won and had the GOP taken control of The Senate and retained control of The House, there is a good chance that, although ACA might not have been completely repealed, there would have been pretty significant moderation of some of the more onerous provisions. With no national election left before complete enactment of the ACA there is little chance that we will see any significant reform until circa 2030 when we go to a single payer system.

For my generation, the bulk of our working years will be spent under ACA.

-pod

 

[hoyden]

I don't disagree, but my point was that if the Republican party wants to put a president in the White House in the near future, they're going to have to expand their voter base somehow. I thought punting social issues or immigration would be the most politically expedient way to do so, that's all I'm saying. Either that or the country could fall off a cliff.

and my point is that pandering to some categories of electorate is not worth it - because if those categories think that social issues are more important than the economic ones - they have the right to it, but they will have to pay for that as well. stupidity has it's price tag attached. economy is the basis, everything else - is secondary to that. if your generation being supposedly so educated does not know it - it will learn it in a harsh way, but there is no other way around

The only issue worth changing the course is immigration - and that can be done absolutely in a rational way, with economical benefit to it as well. And it should be done.

 

[QQm]

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[hoyden]

I would actually argue that everything is secondary to education, but your point is well-taken. I'd be interested to see if your rational immigration reform would survive the Republican primary process, though.

no, education is also secondary to economy, since it is not a producing field. education in this country is not going to be changed by more money spent on it, anyway ( if we talk about secondary one). People who are 20 to 30 years old should be able to self-educate themselves as well - there is plenty of educational material around

Anyway, I'm not above admitting if I voted for the wrong person, but I guess we'll have four years to find out.

If you voted for obama - it is the wrong person. it is not 2008 - he has had his 4 year reign and the results are pathetic.

 

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[DoctwoB]

Don't lie about your fiscal conservatism. You are a typical give me my handout type as all others, if you vote democrat. Social issues do not matter in reality, they matter on papaer and on air - and if you pay attention to them vs fiscal issues, you are simply lying about your fiscal conservatism.

So thats your argument. Social issues are unimportant? Equality for a major minority (LGBTs) is unimportant? Belief and education in science is unimportant?

I support a smaller government and lower taxes. But not at the expense of living in a country that denies civil liberties to minorities, denies reproductive rights to women, and fails to separate theology from government and education. Looking back to the 60s, what do we remember: tax policy or civil rights?

 

[hoyden]

I'm sorry I didn't mean education for myself, I meant education for today's children and for future generations; the mantra of making our kids better than ourselves. Also, I (and every teacher in the country) strongly disagree education would not be helped for the better with more money, but that's another argument.

Look, it's clear we're not going to agree on much, or even on the definition of "pathetic". But as a formerly undecided voter in pretty much the only swing state that mattered, I thought I'd give my thought process for voting and what I think the Republican party could do better the next time around.

I am in a swing state that mattered as well. And contrary to you guys, I lived in a socialist country. You can talk all day long on an importance of education but in a current system of secondary education in this country it is futile - improving it requires responsibility and ability to toss out bad teachers which is not even close to anything democrats plan to discuss at all. And no teachers unions, if you want to improve the secondary education - nil, zilch, zero

 

[hoyden]

So thats your argument. Social issues are unimportant? Equality for a major minority (LGBTs) is unimportant? Belief and education in science is unimportant?

I support a smaller government and lower taxes. But not at the expense of living in a country that denies civil liberties to minorities, denies reproductive rights to women, and fails to separate theology from government and education. Looking back to the 60s, what do we remember: tax policy or civil rights?

No, they are not important. The economy is. Until it's fixed, you can whine all day long about social issues, that wont take you anywhere - as it did not for the last four years and now we have futile or even worse four to come as well

It's a done deal - everybody is equal, let's move on. I do not want to look back to the 60s - let's look back to the mid-nineteenth century, better yet to the early Roman empire, should we? There is sooooo much to discuss about the slavery at that time

 

[GoodmanBrown]

No, they are not important. The economy is. Until it's fixed, you can whine all day long about social issues, that wont take you anywhere - as it did not for the last four years and now we have futile or even worse four to come as well

It's a done deal - everybody is equal, let's move on. I do not want to look back to the 60s - let's look back to the mid-nineteenth century, better yet to the early Roman empire, should we? There is sooooo much to discuss about the slavery at that time

Posts like these make me pretty hopeful for the Dems come 2012. The old guard of the GOP won't let social issues go and are too stubborn to see that Americans want small government, but want Social Security and Medicare more.

I don't foresee Republicans having a resurgence for awhile. Voters like 2win, hoyden, and BladeMD will vote for the hard right candidates in the primaries when more moderate voters either can't or don't bother. Then, in the main showing, the candidate has to desperately track back to the center. Mitt couldn't pull it off, and I doubt others will either. And all that extremism will push minorities and young women into the open arms of the Democrats.

 

[Osteoimperfecta]

GOP needs hispanics more than they need us. That truth was served cold on teusday. Obama's game plan is simple: Immigration reform early next year, which will force the right wing extremists to say crazy stuff about hispanics, and that will finally solidify their place with the dems FOREVER . Our game plan has to involve pre-empting or having a solid alternate immigration reform plan. Either way, the hispanics got us by the balls.

 

[BLADEMDA]

GOP needs hispanics more than they need us. That truth was served cold on teusday. Obama's game plan is simple: Immigration reform early next year, which will force the right wing extremists to say crazy stuff about hispanics, and that will finally solidify their place with the dems FOREVER . Our game plan has to involve pre-empting or having a solid alternate immigration reform plan. Either way, the hispanics got us by the balls.

Agree. I think we hold the line on fiscal Philosophy (smaller, leaner govt) but become pragmatic on social issues and immigration.

 

[AlmostJesus]

He won because the Republican party would prefer to shoot themselves in the foot arguing about gay marriage and abortion and "legitimate rape" rather than winning on economic policies. You alienate quite a few demographics that way, particularly the youth and women vote. And btw, the black vote is typically always >90% Democrat.

I'd like to see a Republican in 2016 run a campaign without all the Bible-thumping, hyperbole like #1. You turn a lot of potential voters off with that kind of nonsense.

Slack3r 2016.

 

[yappy]

Lets just admit it...

The far right R primary killed Romney's chances before he ever got to the national election.

The catch 22 is that if he never had pandered to them he would not of been nominated to rep the R.

The foundation for this failure occurred in 2008/2009 when the Sarah Palin movement occurred and the party went full ******.

 

[hoyden]

Posts like these make me pretty hopeful for the Dems come 2012. The old guard of the GOP won't let social issues go and are too stubborn to see that Americans want small government, but want Social Security and Medicare more.

I don't foresee Republicans having a resurgence for awhile. Voters like 2win, hoyden, and BladeMD will vote for the hard right candidates in the primaries when more moderate voters either can't or don't bother. Then, in the main showing, the candidate has to desperately track back to the center. Mitt couldn't pull it off, and I doubt others will either. And all that extremism will push minorities and young women into the open arms of the Democrats.

Voters like blade, hoyden and 2win do not have to pay their medical school debt unlike stupid medical and prehealth students who think the social issues ever take precedence over economy. Voters like 2win, hoyden and blade have already learned that social isuues do not matter, if the economy is abysmal. medical and prehealth students will learn that too and pay the price for their stupidity as well. Voters like 2win, hoyden or blade have the freedom to say whay they really think because they actually THINK and ANYLYZE, unlike the medical and prehealth students, who just repeat the talking points like parrots.

Nothing new under the sun

 

[hoyden]

Lets just admit it...

The far right R primary killed Romney's chances before he ever got to the national election.

The catch 22 is that if he never had pandered to them he would not of been nominated to rep the R.

The foundation for this failure occurred in 2008/2009 when the Sarah Palin movement occurred and the party went full ******.

far right has nothing to do with the results of this election - at all.

If people WANT to believe in lies they will. It takes some mental work actually to anylyze what you are being told. The vast majority of the left electorate does not want to work mentally.
You can not convince anybody that they are delusional. They can learn that only themselves. People who in all seriousness believe that there is any threat to "women's uterus rights" ARE delusional. And the same people think that voting over that delusion is more important than over economy - let them learn the hard way.
The beauty of THIS catch 22 is that you are not 20 to 30 years old forever

 

[gas2012]

Conservative Media Industrial Complex is what caused republicans to lose and what will cause major losses in the future. Republicans have been lied to by people like Rush LImbaugh and Hannity who themselves will always be OK. Rush makes 50 million each year stirring the **** pot of hate, exclusion and outright nastiness. 50 million a year.

 

[yappy]

Obama won on womans issues AND the economy. The far right is dogmatic in their understanding of the economy. I'm a centrist and regularly blow conservatives out of the water on economic issues. How many peer reviewed economic journals do you read Hoyden? How much empirical evidence has been published to support far right ideas relating to the economy? It's pathetic. The whole party has been reduced to sound bites and dogma pushed forward by AM talk show hosts who are cashing in on peoples ignorance via book sales. Did you know that prior to the election the R buried their own study that found empirical evidence was contrary to the fundamental assumptions Romneys tax plan? You've been played for a fool... a real fan boy.

far right has nothing to do with the results of this election - at all.

If people WANT to believe in lies they will. It takes some mental work actually to anylyze what you are being told. The vast majority of the left electorate does not want to work mentally.
You can not convince anybody that they are delusional. They can learn that only themselves. People who in all seriousness believe that there is any threat to "women's uterus rights" ARE delusional. And the same people think that voting over that delusion is more important than over economy - let them learn the hard way.
The beauty of THIS catch 22 is that you are not 20 to 30 years old forever

 

[redtomate]

Obama won on womans issues AND the economy. The far right is dogmatic in their understanding of the economy. I'm a centrist and regularly blow conservatives out of the water on economic issues. How many peer reviewed economic journals do you read Hoyden? How much empirical evidence has been published to support far right ideas relating to the economy? It's pathetic. The whole party has been reduced to sound bites and dogma pushed forward by AM talk show hosts who are cashing in on peoples ignorance via book sales. Did you know that prior to the election the R buried their own study that found empirical evidence was contrary to the fundamental assumptions Romneys tax plan? You've been played for a fool... a real fan boy.

This is a really powerful point. For some reason people take for truth that the conservative mantra of lower taxes, less government, less regulation = better economy, and that the choice between repub vs democrat is economy vs social issues. There is little to no evidence supporting it. In fact, there are very few ways to even quantify "better economy". Do you use GDP growth? Equity market returns? Personally I think these stats are moot unless you also weigh in measures of total social welfare, such as the Gini coefficient (I.E., what is the experience like for the "average" person in society.) Even after you chose some way of quantifying it, there is far too few data points to make any real conclusion (as well as way too many other variables involved).

 

[yappy]

I prefer to look at GDP growth, debt, and Gini and correlate that with specific policies. The best place to look is in the journals. But you're right - a lot of the R stuff is taken at face value. For example the laffer curve has been shown to not be accurate; and, anecdotal business owners/entrepreneurs such as Marc Cuban state that taxes hold ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on if they'll hire or their strategic decision making process.

I remember speaking with an R the other day who told me all about how Obama, in his second term, is going to kill the US economy with taxation and has done it halfway in his first term. Then I pull up data showing the history of taxation in the US and some individual examples in history (Reagan, Bush, and Clinton) and it blew his mind. He realized just how misinformed he was and was made an instant independent. This is exactly why the R are losing --- few of their arguments have any rigor.

This is a really powerful point. For some reason people take for truth that the conservative mantra of lower taxes, less government, less regulation = better economy, and that the choice between repub vs democrat is economy vs social issues. There is little to no evidence supporting it. In fact, there are very few ways to even quantify "better economy". Do you use GDP growth? Equity market returns? Personally I think these stats are moot unless you also weigh in measures of total social welfare, such as the Gini coefficient (I.E., what is the experience like for the "average" person in society.) Even after you chose some way of quantifying it, there is far too few data points to make any real conclusion (as well as way too many other variables involved).

 

[neuropathic]

Conservative Media Industrial Complex is what caused republicans to lose and what will cause major losses in the future. Republicans have been lied to by people like Rush LImbaugh and Hannity who themselves will always be OK. Rush makes 50 million each year stirring the **** pot of hate, exclusion and outright nastiness. 50 million a year.

That's absurd. So, Democrats are not lied by Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow or anyone MSNBC either. The majority of the media, newspaper are pro Democrat.

 

[yappy]

The difference being the larger viewership and magnitude of the bias. R wing media is off the rails when it comes to bias; also, most of the people who buy into that stuff do it whole sale.

That's absurd. So, Democrats are not lied by Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow or anyone MSNBC either. The majority of the media, newspaper are pro Democrat.

 

[Slack3r]

The difference being the larger viewership and magnitude of the bias. R wing media is off the rails when it comes to bias; also, most of the people who buy into that stuff do it whole sale.

I guess you don't watch Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher, etc.

 

[yappy]

I've seen them - yeah they're on the level of Hannity etc. But possibly not the same as AM radio. But the viewership is much larger for conservative media than MSNBC or Maher.

I guess you don't watch Rachel Maddow, Bill Maher, etc.

PS: I find Rachel Maddow so freaking annoying!