Name me ONE JOB that is better than being a PHYSICIAN

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I think backup punter is even a better position. You get to kick the ball like 3 times in a season, and still make like 300k...

I was under the impression that most teams don't carry a true backup punter on the roster(one of the kickers probably doubles in that role).


If you want a truly sweet gig in the NFL then the longsnapper is who you want to be.
 
I think trophy wife/husband is a better profession. It's easy at least. You just have to get someone rich to fall in love with you....
Aw, yeah, being a Kept Man for sure. A lot of guys know very well when they're kept, and they behave so as to keep it that way. And then there's K-Fed....

playboy photographers can only look, and can't touch. so it aint all that great. plus, they can't photograph the women doing spread eagles.
They probably make mad bank, so I'm sure they can keep up an active love life with bimbos, and would you really want to work where you could do the latter (spread eagle shots)? "Oh, yeah, I run a low-budget sleazy porn site," or "Yeah, I'm a 'Barely Legal' photographer." No way. PB for the win.


hehe, the only reason that this suggestion came to mind immediately was because my brother and I (when I was probably 9) asked one of my dad's landscape employees what his ideal job would be, and that was his response. It stuck with me since. :laugh:

If you want a truly sweet gig in the NFL then the longsnapper is who you want to be.
Plus you can do it until you're a grandfather, practically. Rob Davis for the Packers is coming up on 40, and his performance is still flawless. He's played with Brett Favre for a decade and has a Superbowl ring to show for it.
 
I can't believe no one has said this so....

1.) Physician's Spouse
2.) Investment Banker
3.) Quant work(institutional finance)
4.) Commodities Trader
5.) Internet Ad Sales Associate(2 years out of college w/ a business degree my sister makes 85k doing this--her boss makes 500k)
6.) Physicist @ CERN
 
I can't believe no one has said this so....

1.) Physician's Spouse

Yeah, cause that's what I would want-- putting up with someone else's b!tchy mood and crappy call schedule. I would qualify this by saying only if you are married to someone in plastics or derm.
 
Hedge fund manager.

The best ones make $500 million to a billion per YEAR

Many make just a few million per year.

Yeah, kind of. But in finance, most folks making coin anything like that are more entrepreneurs than just folks with a "job." They often start investment funds, are part owners of large firms, or have through years of hard work, insight, and a bit of luck built up a good reputation so they can get investors to throw money at them to work with. It takes lots of work, networking, big chances, and entrepreneurial spirit.

It's hardly like one can just do well in school and on some exams, go to MBA school, and get a job with a hedge fund making seven figures for life with no real risk of ever being out of their chosen profession. Which if you change the seven to a six IS essentially the nature of medicine.

Of course I get your point, and certainly there are ways to make more money than getting an MD. Few ways *guarantee* such high, recession-proof incomes, though--even in today's world of high paid CEOs and Goldman Sach employees. You're talking a lot of people at the lower rungs of the ladder making high 5-figures with a few guys up top making huge coin.
 
If you want to make money, finance is really the way to go. There are many different types of jobs and it doesn't have to be on Wall Street. You don't have to go through med school or residency and the work is a lot easier. The income is easily in the 6 figures. Maybe it's a little more stressful because you always have to perform.

Many med students probably have the smarts, talent, and ego to do well in finance. They just don't know how.
 
Astronaut - barring the explosions, sweet views of earth from space, and the only truly exclusive ride

Professional Surfer - time to read on the beach, travel, great health, amazing rush

National Geographic photography editor - diverse topics, environmentaly positive, sweet travel assignments, opportunity to see the world's beauty everyday.
 
You know i see threads about doctor salaries going down, bad hours, annoying studying, time commitment. But when you work in the real world and experience the other side of life you notice, ALL JOBS SUCK MORE. THERE IS NO JOB that does not have its bad sides. I think medicine always has its positives, example Guaranteed Job regardless of where you go, able to work until late ages in life without too much strain, prestige, meaningful job (waking up knowing you are helping others). Now what job out there can compare to being a physician that pays so much and allows one to have so much personal satisfaction in what they do. I am just curious what others think.

Hef has a pretty good job...
 
If you want to make money, finance is really the way to go. There are many different types of jobs and it doesn't have to be on Wall Street. You don't have to go through med school or residency and the work is a lot easier. The income is easily in the 6 figures. Maybe it's a little more stressful because you always have to perform.

Many med students probably have the smarts, talent, and ego to do well in finance. They just don't know how.

I'd agree if money were the driving force for a student to go into medicine AND if it were true that most med students had the potential to do well in finance jobs.

I'm not sure if both of the above are true that often with med students, however.

My undergrad studies were in business at a top b-school, and I knew plenty of "I-bankers" who planned on taking the world by storm on Wall Street. They were likewise very smart, driven, hardworking students. So I don't think it's the case that ALL of the best and brightest students are going into medicine and should be going into finance instead because of the money. Those already going into the field are probably just as smart on average--though obviously in different fields.

But back to my original point... Yes, of course the promise of a secure, very good income recession or not is surely a motivating factor for many students to enter medicine. But I do think that most students in med schools ALSO do enjoy human interaction, studying science, working with their hands or at least with tangible items, or some combination of the above. You get very little of those in most finance jobs.

Also, I'm not sure that finance jobs are the best fit for most med students. My memory of most of the true finance gunners in b-school is that they often had very aggressive personalities, almost combative in the name of competition. Most weren't that concerned about working directly with people, most thought studying science was a waste of time--as was pretty much anything outside of the direct business of making money. And most that ended up getting some success were very risk-loving, always believing they had the biggest and best ideas.

On the contrary, I'd say most med students are risk-averse, preferring to take perhaps less potential pay but the more secure, guaranteed route. Many of my old Wall Street friends also lost their jobs post-9/11 when the market turned south. Medicine always has been and always will be one of the major recession-proof jobs that pays well.

And besides, for many physicians (specialists, surgeons, etc.), the income earned can be just a starting point to much greater wealth through wise financial investments. But again, this doesn't happen as often as it could because of some of the reasons I've listed above re: the nature of most med students. Smart and hard-working, but hardly the biggest risk takers in the world.
 
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playboy photographers can only look, and can't touch. so it aint all that great. plus, they can't photograph the women doing spread eagles.

Massage therapist is good, although you won't make much doing it full time. As a Zen Shiatsu therapist (part-time), women pay me to touch them (but I can't take photos). A lesbian even told me I had the best hands ever and I consider that the ultimate compliment!😀
 
I'd be an Heiress . . . I mean really, what does Paris Hilton actually do all day? (And yes, we all know what she does all night)



being a leech is the greatest in the world.
 
Pre-Divorce K-Fed would be a pretty sweet gig, despite all the douchebaggery. BigNavyPedsGuy told me his dream job would to be a fluffer.
I'd be an Heiress . . . I mean really, what does Paris Hilton actually do all day? (And yes, we all know what she does all night)
 
And besides, for many physicians (specialists, surgeons, etc.), the income earned can be just a starting point to much greater wealth through wise financial investments. But again, this doesn't happen as often as it could because of some of the reasons I've listed above re: the nature of most med students. Smart and hard-working, but hardly the biggest risk takers in the world.

This is probably true. Physicians are the one group of people that historically (past performance is no indication of future results) had the resources by and large to make big time investments at a young enough age to profit from them. Yet, physicians by and large haven't seemed to figure out how to even provide health and malpractice insurance to themselves. No one has even considered putting together a private risk pool to protect his own assets he gets from working, let alone making money from other people's assets.

I think that the one place many physicians would have a shot is law. There is a broad enough career that encompasses book work, to constant human interaction, to anything in between. The type of overachieving students that get into medical school are similar to the types that get into good law schools. That being said, most of us could have successfully chased law, and we chose medicine instead. I guess that means that the job isn't better.
 
I think that the one place many physicians would have a shot is law. There is a broad enough career that encompasses book work, to constant human interaction, to anything in between. The type of overachieving students that get into medical school are similar to the types that get into good law schools. That being said, most of us could have successfully chased law, and we chose medicine instead. I guess that means that the job isn't better.

Sort of, except the high paying prestigious legal work doesn't have much in the way of human contact -- it's more just book work. I would guess family lawyers, criminal defense attorneys, bankrupty lawyers, etc. have a decent amount of contact, but most law students seem to think that working at a huge law firm representing big corporations is the way to go. Working at a court, which is another prestigious legal job, also lacks the human contact. So, that prestige driven attitude that drives people to medical school and top law schools drives future lawyers away from human contact parts of the field. In some ways, I guess that's true with medicine, too, but not as much.
 
Sort of, except the high paying prestigious legal work doesn't have much in the way of human contact -- it's more just book work. I would guess family lawyers, criminal defense attorneys, bankrupty lawyers, etc. have a decent amount of contact, but most law students seem to think that working at a huge law firm representing big corporations is the way to go. Working at a court, which is another prestigious legal job, also lacks the human contact. So, that prestige driven attitude that drives people to medical school and top law schools drives future lawyers away from human contact parts of the field. In some ways, I guess that's true with medicine, too, but not as much.

Actually transactional law/corporate work at big firms is pretty constant human contact once you get past the first couple of years of proving yourself as a faceless cog in the machine. You spend a ton of time in meetings, on the phone, dealing with other lawyers, paralegals, bankers, lenders, underwriters, accountants, title companies, in house folks, clients, etc... the list involved in a given deal is pretty extensive. Most places have a younger associate put together a (multiple page) phone list for everyone listing the contact info of all the major players on each deal. And daily contact with all of them is pretty much a given as closing dates approach.

You often wish for the days when you could close yourself up in your office and get actual work done.🙂
 
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Cop.

You just drive around and chill all day. Screw with people every once in a while. A few cool toys...sirens and the like. Very decent salary for the education ( a few months of "academy").
 
Cop.

You just drive around and chill all day. Screw with people every once in a while. A few cool toys...sirens and the like. Very decent salary for the education ( a few months of "academy").

My friend is finishing up right now and started at 60,000 at 24 with no degree (5 years army MP)

His boss is 9 years on the force and makes 106,000 with 2 weeks of overtime a year.

Pretty sweet diggs.
 
GUYS, i meant attainable careers, careers you could get with your qualifications and degree(s), etc...

Monarch.

Given that the only real requirement is being alive and being born first, I'm actually over-qualified for that one. Have been since birth.
 
What about patients dying? I work at CVS, and I know of several patients who don't get RXs because they're dead. I even saw a patient from CVS when I started working at a local hopital. He died in intensive care.

I was trying to make the point that while we on SDN are interested in medicine and caring for the sick, most people I know are repulsed by the idea of being around sick people all day and wouldn't want to spend all of their life doing this. It takes a special person to do this.
 
I was trying to make the point that while we on SDN are interested in medicine and caring for the sick, most people I know are repulsed by the idea of being around sick people all day and wouldn't want to spend all of their life doing this. It takes a special person to do this.

O rly? Please, "lowlypremed", tell us more of the "specialness" it takes.
 
I was trying to make the point that while we on SDN are interested in medicine and caring for the sick, most people I know are repulsed by the idea of being around sick people all day and wouldn't want to spend all of their life doing this. It takes a special person to do this.
look...you're not more "special" if you're not repulsed by being around sick people all day...instead, you're nutz because you probably want to commiserate with everyone else who's having a bad experience...LowlyPremed, you must be a queen of doom-and-gloom or some sick drama queen
 
look...you're not more "special" if you're not repulsed by being around sick people all day...instead, you're nutz because you probably want to commiserate with everyone else who's having a bad experience...LowlyPremed, you must be a queen of doom-and-gloom or some sick drama queen

Chill out. Where are you getting this? I wrote four sentences and you made quite a few assumptions about me. I didn't say that I'm better than anyone else. And no, I'm not having a bad experience, quite the opposite actually. I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I happen to think that it takes a special person to be an artist or a lawyer, what's your point? Do you think anyone can do it? If your answer is yes, then I guess I'm not special.
 
Chill out. Where are you getting this? I wrote four sentences and you made quite a few assumptions about me. I didn't say that I'm better than anyone else. And no, I'm not having a bad experience, quite the opposite actually. I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I happen to think that it takes a special person to be an artist or a lawyer, what's your point? Do you think anyone can do it? If your answer is yes, then I guess I'm not special.
You're not "special". Thousands and thousands of people want to or are already going to medical school; 35,000 people applied to medical schools in 2003-2004 (http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/pressrel/2003/031104.htm). An estimated 71,000 doctors practiced in California in 2005(http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/PHYSICIA.HTM). Besides, you don't even know if you can "do it", because you aren't even in medical school yet. Duh.
If you were an astronaut for NASA, you might be unique. Only 321 people have been selected for the astronaut training program since its origination (http://www.nasajobs.nasa.gov/astronauts/).
 
You're not "special". Thousands and thousands of people want to or are already going to medical school; 35,000 people applied to medical schools in 2003-2004 (http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/pressrel/2003/031104.htm). An estimated 71,000 doctors practiced in California in 2005(http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/PHYSICIA.HTM). Besides, you don't even know if you can "do it", because you aren't even in medical school yet. Duh.
If you were an astronaut for NASA, you might be unique. Only 321 people have been selected for the astronaut training program since its origination (http://www.nasajobs.nasa.gov/astronauts/).
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35,000 people divided by 300,000,000 people is a pretty small number. besides
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Hedge fund manager.

The best ones make $500 million to a billion per YEAR

Many make just a few million per year.

A billion a year huh? Can you please cut out that ad and send it to me? I want to apply for that job.
 
You're not "special". Thousands and thousands of people want to or are already going to medical school; 35,000 people applied to medical schools in 2003-2004 (http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/pressrel/2003/031104.htm). An estimated 71,000 doctors practiced in California in 2005(http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/occguide/PHYSICIA.HTM). Besides, you don't even know if you can "do it", because you aren't even in medical school yet. Duh.
If you were an astronaut for NASA, you might be unique. Only 321 people have been selected for the astronaut training program since its origination (http://www.nasajobs.nasa.gov/astronauts/).

You just don't get it. And yes, I do agree with you that I don't know that I can do it. That's the point. Second, what physicians do, on a day to day basis, is special. Again, I'm not saying it's the only job that's special, I'm not saying that being a pharmacist isn't special. I believe that it takes a special person to go to Iraq and dodge bullets. I personally couldn't do it. There are hundreds of thousands of soldiers there. What they do is special. Different sets of skills, personality types, etc. are required. So what if thousands of people are in medical school or are practicing physicians. What these people do is special. This seems useless.
 
A billion a year huh? Can you please cut out that ad and send it to me? I want to apply for that job.
I can't remember his name, but there was a front-page article about a hedge fund manager who made $680 million last year, and how he donates a lot of money to autism research (his son is autistic).



ah, here we are: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05349/622925.stm Jim Simons, and it was $670 million, so I was off by a few million :laugh: and he's not the highest paid manager either.


"The highest paid US hedge fund operator made more than $1 billion in 2004, the first time a Wall Street financial manager has topped the billion dollar mark in annual income, according to a survey published last week by a trade publication. Edward S. Lampert made $1.02 billion, while his firm, ESL Investments, raked in a 69 percent return on investment, largely due to Lampert's deal-making in the merger of Kmart and Sears....These gargantuan incomes dwarf even the huge salaries and bonuses paid to corporate CEOs. Edward Lampert's income is 200 times the salary of the typical Fortune 500 CEO ($5 million a year), which is, in turn, 200 times the salary of the typical worker ($25,000-$30,000 a year). Here we have the upper crust of the financial oligarchy that dominates American society."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jun2005/hedg-j09.shtml


Job availability is limited though - only 400 people in the US make over $87 million per year. Good luck getting to be one of them.
 
Job availability is limited though - only 400 people in the US make over $87 million per year. Good luck getting to be one of them.

This was exactly my point when I made that comment. These million dollar salary jobs like "hedge fund manager" are frequently brought up on SDN because they seem so obtainable to the common person. Gee, a hedge fund manager. That's like, a business job, right? I could go out and get my MBA and do that too! Contrast this to jobs as a pro football player, rockstar, moviestar.....these people have qualities that seem almost superhuman so we often disregard them as unobtainable. But in reality, these top level business millionaires are just as rare, if not more rare and thus harder to obtain.

Like you said, good luck getting that job :laugh:
 
Job availability is limited though - only 400 people in the US make over $87 million per year. Good luck getting to be one of them.


basically, you have a better shot at winning the lottery than finding your way into one of those jobs. Also, i'm sure it's the most dog-eat-dog environment you'll ever find.
 
This was exactly my point when I made that comment. These million dollar salary jobs like "hedge fund manager" are frequently brought up on SDN because they seem so obtainable to the common person. Gee, a hedge fund manager. That's like, a business job, right? I could go out and get my MBA and do that too! Contrast this to jobs as a pro football player, rockstar, moviestar.....these people have qualities that seem almost superhuman so we often disregard them as unobtainable. But in reality, these top level business millionaires are just as rare, if not more rare and thus harder to obtain.

Like you said, good luck getting that job :laugh:

Well, it could be said that you never will really know if you have the kind of stuff to make it in that world until you try. (Not so with NFL football player or rockstar -- if you don't have the objectively visible or audible talent, you are wasting your time.)

I know more than a few idiots making seven digits in finance, without yet even having gone back for their MBA, and frankly, if they can do it, I suspect a lot of folks with the brains to get into med school probably could too. But you have to go after that dream with the same vengeance some folks on here went after med school and then that competitive residency. And you have to be really comfortable with risk, something many people going into a stable profession such as medicine don't have. Much of your income will be based on bonuses, and based on how good a year you have. Instead of that set 6 digit income, you have to be comfortable taking home a percentage of the kill. That's the kind of thing that separates the really big money makers from smart people in other fields.

So I would say it isn't impossible, but you have to have the ballz to go for it.
 
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35,000 people divided by 300,000,000 people is a pretty small number. besides
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My point is that MDs are not special. Even though only a small number of people apply to medical school (a whopping 35,000), there are millions of doctors practicing in America.
Excellent doctors are special- simply because of their talents, not because they enjoy being around sick people. Dealing with sickly people is just secondary to treating them. There are many doctors who don't like blood, coughing, nurses, etc., and they do remarkable things for their patients.:idea:
 
So I would say it isn't impossible, but you have to have the ballz to go for it.

This is a good point. If medicine were unstable and risky in the way that business is, nobody would do it. I think it's one of the very positive aspects of the profession. Despite the difficulty, stress, and other burdens, I think it's safe to say that most doctors at least have the luxury of having always having a job. The benefits may not match the work put in, but it's still a job.

I can't fathom how people make billions of dollars by managing people's money. What do they do on a day to day business? Call people? Write emails? Calculate things using basic math? Is this stuff worth BILLIONS of dollars every year?? I consider things like inventing the computer (Bill Gates-well, he practically invented it) worth making billions of dollars. Developing a vaccine is worth billions of dollars to me. But managing money?

I know business and finance can be extremely complicated (and boring in my opinion) but for some reason I can never get it to add up. I'm sure I'm just looking at to too superficially, but it still pisses me off.
 
I'm sure I'm just looking at to too superficially

You are. People don't pay you billions to send emails or make phone calls or to use basic math. You have to bring value beyond what they can do themselves. You have to make people a ton of money for them to pay you a ton of money. Investment analysis, hedge fund management, etc are all full semester courses in many business schools, and I promise you that nowhere in those courses do the emphasize the art of the email.🙂
 
The benefits may not match the work put in, but it's still a job.

Pretty much any way you shake it down, the benefits match the work put in. Even if you worked 80 hr/wk as a FP you would still be making ~ $35/hr; still way more than the $7/hr the Congress is trying to pass through.
 
You are. People don't pay you billions to send emails or make phone calls or to use basic math. You have to bring value beyond what they can do themselves. You have to make people a ton of money for them to pay you a ton of money. Investment analysis, hedge fund management, etc are all full semester courses in many business schools, and I promise you that nowhere in those courses do the emphasize the art of the email.🙂

Right. I figured it wasn't THAT easy. 🙂 I realize I am dumbing it down to the point of stupidity. Rich people just piss me off, especially when they do such boring jobs as "managing money" Blah i'm just ranting nevermind
 
Hedge fund manager.

The best ones make $500 million to a billion per YEAR

Many make just a few million per year.

not a billion. but 500 million.

anyways a better job is a senior investment banker.

average sal around 2-5 million and 8-7, and no weekend work, prob once a month work on weekends. travel once a week.

not a bad career if you pay your dues as an analyst and associate and vp for 7 years. (aka 100 hr weeks, with little vacation time)
 
Astronaut.

You know i see threads about doctor salaries going down, bad hours, annoying studying, time commitment. But when you work in the real world and experience the other side of life you notice, ALL JOBS SUCK MORE. THERE IS NO JOB that does not have its bad sides. I think medicine always has its positives, example Guaranteed Job regardless of where you go, able to work until late ages in life without too much strain, prestige, meaningful job (waking up knowing you are helping others). Now what job out there can compare to being a physician that pays so much and allows one to have so much personal satisfaction in what they do. I am just curious what others think.
 
Astronaut.

Being as astronaut can certainly have its fun times, but I wouldn't really call an astronaut's salary comparable to a physician's salary. A physician-astronaut is a little better off, but still not as much as a regular old physician.

Plus, although a resident's schedule is tough, imagine having a family and training for the space station. You spend 2-3 years in training, spending every other month in Russia, then you're totally gone for 6-8 months, then you have all the post-flight travel and PR stuff. It's no walk in the park! But, for a lot of people, it's worth it for the ultimate ride.
 
yeah, i'll have to go with astronaut. in fact, since i am 37% committed to pursuing a candidacy with NASA, i can't believe it slipped my mind . . .
 
Pretty much any way you shake it down, the benefits match the work put in. Even if you worked 80 hr/wk as a FP you would still be making ~ $35/hr; still way more than the $7/hr the Congress is trying to pass through.

35 dollars an hour? After 7 years of training and >125k in graduate tuition alone? My friend with a BS in CS just got a job straight out of college where he makes more than that. Wow, I wonder why US allo grads aren't flocking to FP.
 
35 dollars an hour? After 7 years of training and >125k in graduate tuition alone? My friend with a BS in CS just got a job straight out of college where he makes more than that. Wow, I wonder why US allo grads aren't flocking to FP.

My point was that you still make a lot more (both gross and hourly) than many other people even at the bottom of the MD salary range. If one goes into a profession solely for monetary reasons you will usually be disappointed in the end.
 
I don't think any job is better than the other. It depends on the individual. Sure lawyers and doctors make a lot of money, but everything comes at a price. These jobs are not cake, and not everyone is cut out for them or can handle the stress and time committment they entail. Plus if everyone wanted to do the same thing, we wouldnt get anything accomplished in society We all play our roles.
 
If I could pick any job in the world, it would have to be a justice on the United States Supreme Court.
 
hmmm....getting a sugar daddy to give you an MRS degree wouldn't be too bad of a career...lol
 
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