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krmower

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I was sitting in a meeting and just heard about a new program. The National Guard will now let dental students join as active duty recruiters while in dental schools. This enables the dental students to receive active duty pay and benefits while attending school as a 2nd lieutenant. The timw will count towards pay and retirement.

You would not also get a dental scholarship. Upon completion of school you would become a Captain in the Guard.

Unfortunately that is all I know. I was told Natl. Guard recruiters know about this new program.

I do not know if payback is 1:1 - nor do I know what you have to do during school. I just wanted to let everyone know about a new opportunity.
 
krmower said:
I was sitting in a meeting and just heard about a new program. The National Guard will now let dental students join as active duty recruiters while in dental schools. This enables the dental students to receive active duty pay and benefits while attending school as a 2nd lieutenant. The timw will count towards pay and retirement.

You would not also get a dental scholarship. Upon completion of school you would become a Captain in the Guard.

Unfortunately that is all I know. I was told Natl. Guard recruiters know about this new program.

I do not know if payback is 1:1 - nor do I know what you have to do during school. I just wanted to let everyone know about a new opportunity.
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Sounds an awful lot like the HSCP in the Navy, however, I think the payback is less.
 
krmower said:
I was sitting in a meeting and just heard about a new program. The National Guard will now let dental students join as active duty recruiters while in dental schools. This enables the dental students to receive active duty pay and benefits while attending school as a 2nd lieutenant. The timw will count towards pay and retirement.

You would not also get a dental scholarship. Upon completion of school you would become a Captain in the Guard.

Unfortunately that is all I know. I was told Natl. Guard recruiters know about this new program.

I do not know if payback is 1:1 - nor do I know what you have to do during school. I just wanted to let everyone know about a new opportunity.
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It's called the Amedd Student Recruiter Program. Doesn't apply to dental residents 🙁

http://www.1800goguard.com/explore/medical/asrinfo.php

Great program for someone who doesn't want to go onto active duty. Pays about $50k per year. The student recruiters also get bonuses for every dental student or dentist that they get to join up. I think bonus is $2000-2500 for students and $5000 for dentists.
 
Hawk2thDoc said:
It's called the Amedd Student Recruiter Program. Doesn't apply to dental residents 🙁

http://www.1800goguard.com/explore/medical/asrinfo.php

Great program for someone who doesn't want to go onto active duty. Pays about $50k per year. The student recruiters also get bonuses for every dental student or dentist that they get to join up. I think bonus is $2000-2500 for students and $5000 for dentists.
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Does this mean no deployments to war zones? This doesn't quite sound right, or am I not understanding something here?
 
After hearing about what you said about the ASR program offered by the Nguard, I called a local recruiter who was in charge of that program.

He said that, the dental student would work as a recruiter while in dental school with active duty pay and benefits equivalent to a O-1. The details on how many hours worked for the recruiting station was kind of vague, with the recruiter mentioning that it would be limited to stapling flyers at your dental school, etc- but beware. During this time, the dental student will also drill with a NG medical unit one weekend a month, and two weeks a year. After graduation, four years of preferred drilling or IRR status is required, which was a little weird, because, who would want to drill if they could just be on IRR status.

I guess the benefit to this program, is that there is no unfront active duty commitment, but then again, all you are getting is an 0-1 salary for your days in dental school.

Correct me if I am wrong with any of this, but this is just what I got from the recruiter today. What do you guys think of this program? I have a wife and son so it is good to know that they will also acquire medical benefits while I am in school, but it just doesn't sound as good as other programs. The recruiter also said that there is a nominal amount given for tuition, but it is no where near the 20k+ I will be incurring each year.
 
license2kill said:
After hearing about what you said about the ASR program offered by the Nguard, I called a local recruiter who was in charge of that program.

He said that, the dental student would work as a recruiter while in dental school with active duty pay and benefits equivalent to a O-1. The details on how many hours worked for the recruiting station was kind of vague, with the recruiter mentioning that it would be limited to stapling flyers at your dental school, etc- but beware. During this time, the dental student will also drill with a NG medical unit one weekend a month, and two weeks a year. After graduation, four years of preferred drilling or IRR status is required, which was a little weird, because, who would want to drill if they could just be on IRR status.

I guess the benefit to this program, is that there is no unfront active duty commitment, but then again, all you are getting is an 0-1 salary for your days in dental school.

Correct me if I am wrong with any of this, but this is just what I got from the recruiter today. What do you guys think of this program? I have a wife and son so it is good to know that they will also acquire medical benefits while I am in school, but it just doesn't sound as good as other programs. The recruiter also said that there is a nominal amount given for tuition, but it is no where near the 20k+ I will be incurring each year.
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The main benefits would be:
- 100% medical for family w/ no co-pay and $450,000 life insurance
- chance to go into private practice where you want when you graduate and do the Guard part time
- defer some of dental school costs
- build towards retirement/salary if you decide to stay in the military

If you want all of schoo paid for - then HPSP is the way - this is just an option to receive benefits while maintaining a level of freedom.
 
krmower said:
The main benefits would be:
- 100% medical for family w/ no co-pay and $450,000 life insurance
- chance to go into private practice where you want when you graduate and do the Guard part time
- defer some of dental school costs
- build towards retirement/salary if you decide to stay in the military

If you want all of schoo paid for - then HPSP is the way - this is just an option to receive benefits while maintaining a level of freedom.
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wow this might be an incredible deal. Do you know if it's possible to get out the HPSP if I already signed/commissioned? I'm regretting it if I could go through this route. It'll be worth about $5000/month for me 0-1 and BAH, not including GI bill. 🙁
 
ArmyDDS2013 said:
wow this might be an incredible deal. Do you know if it's possible to get out the HPSP if I already signed/commissioned? I'm regretting it if I could go through this route. It'll be worth about $5000/month for me 0-1 and BAH, not including GI bill. 🙁
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If you have already signed a contract then you will be unable to change/get out.

I still think the better deal is the HPSP/active duty both financially and all around. You will be a better/more experienced dentist when you decide to get out. Plus the opportunities to specialize.
 
can you get pulled out during the middle of your dental education at any time to serve? With 50K per year and no active duty requirements, this package sounds too good to be true...
 
zriceman said:
can you get pulled out during the middle of your dental education at any time to serve? With 50K per year and no active duty requirements, this package sounds too good to be true...
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This is what I was thinking. I would imagine you need to put in a lot of effort/time in the recruiting process. It's over $50,000 for many schools depending on where you are located. I'm not sure why they would even offer this when they can assign a Sargent to do this full time and earn less pay.

NYU students would earn $60000 + $11000 from GI bill...... why would you take HPSP will can earn this money.
 
I will be meeting up with the ANG recruiter later on this week to confirm the details of the program. I tried to get more info on paper, but they said that this is a new program and not much literature is available at the moment. I have spoken with a higher person in charge and she has agreed to give me as much info as possible.

The recruiting duties are not suppose to me cumbersome and time consuming, since my primary role is to become a dentist by studying. This is the vague part for me. How much is a "limited" role as a student recruiter? I would be the liason between my dental school and future potential recruits into the program and may travel to give presentations about the program at local colleges.

The program also entails going to drill one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year and a OCS type of training before graduating. After graduation, "they would like you to drill for four years, but you can request to be put on IRR." This is what the recruiter said, so I am trying to get all this confirmed this week.

Is HSPS really better? I am not sure if I want to spend four years active after graduation. I mean, I like the military and all, but after getting out, there is more money to be made, no? Everyone in my vicinity says that I will be more experience with 4 years in the military as a dentist, but I think that I will be competent opening private practice after graduation. (What do I know, I am turning D1, but just my opinion.)🙂

Can someone tell me about the opportunities to specialize in the military? I am guessing that as a military dentist, I will get a better chance at specializing through the military on top of my chances at a civilian program?

Now that I am accepted into dental school, these topics have been my primary concern before starting D1. ANG is a little vague, HPSP is a big commitment, and HSCP seems to be worth less than the ANG (ASR) program. Oh, did I mention, these recruiters are difficult to get a hold of. :scared:
 
license2kill said:
I will be meeting up with the ANG recruiter later on this week to confirm the details of the program. I tried to get more info on paper, but they said that this is a new program and not much literature is available at the moment. I have spoken with a higher person in charge and she has agreed to give me as much info as possible.

The recruiting duties are not suppose to me cumbersome and time consuming, since my primary role is to become a dentist by studying. This is the vague part for me. How much is a "limited" role as a student recruiter? I would be the liason between my dental school and future potential recruits into the program and may travel to give presentations about the program at local colleges.

The program also entails going to drill one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year and a OCS type of training before graduating. After graduation, "they would like you to drill for four years, but you can request to be put on IRR." This is what the recruiter said, so I am trying to get all this confirmed this week.

Is HSPS really better? I am not sure if I want to spend four years active after graduation. I mean, I like the military and all, but after getting out, there is more money to be made, no? Everyone in my vicinity says that I will be more experience with 4 years in the military as a dentist, but I think that I will be competent opening private practice after graduation. (What do I know, I am turning D1, but just my opinion.)🙂

Can someone tell me about the opportunities to specialize in the military? I am guessing that as a military dentist, I will get a better chance at specializing through the military on top of my chances at a civilian program?

Now that I am accepted into dental school, these topics have been my primary concern before starting D1. ANG is a little vague, HPSP is a big commitment, and HSCP seems to be worth less than the ANG (ASR) program. Oh, did I mention, these recruiters are difficult to get a hold of. :scared:
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Yeah thanks for the pro-active approach to finding out more info! I think the only benefit of specializing in teh miltiary is that all the programs (except OMFS) is 2 years compared to most 3 year civilian programs.
 
ArmyDDS2013 said:
Yeah thanks for the pro-active approach to finding out more info! I think the only benefit of specializing in teh miltiary is that all the programs (except OMFS) is 2 years compared to most 3 year civilian programs.
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The military specialty programs are just as long as the civilian ones. Prosth, perio, and path are 3 yrs. OMFS is 4, and endo, ortho, and 2 year AEGD are 2. Same as anywhere else. Advantage is your chance of getting accepted and the pay you get during residency is higher than on the outside.
 
license2kill said:
I will be meeting up with the ANG recruiter later on this week to confirm the details of the program. I tried to get more info on paper, but they said that this is a new program and not much literature is available at the moment. I have spoken with a higher person in charge and she has agreed to give me as much info as possible.

The recruiting duties are not suppose to me cumbersome and time consuming, since my primary role is to become a dentist by studying. This is the vague part for me. How much is a "limited" role as a student recruiter? I would be the liason between my dental school and future potential recruits into the program and may travel to give presentations about the program at local colleges.

The program also entails going to drill one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year and a OCS type of training before graduating. After graduation, "they would like you to drill for four years, but you can request to be put on IRR." This is what the recruiter said, so I am trying to get all this confirmed this week.

Is HSPS really better? I am not sure if I want to spend four years active after graduation. I mean, I like the military and all, but after getting out, there is more money to be made, no? Everyone in my vicinity says that I will be more experience with 4 years in the military as a dentist, but I think that I will be competent opening private practice after graduation. (What do I know, I am turning D1, but just my opinion.)🙂

Can someone tell me about the opportunities to specialize in the military? I am guessing that as a military dentist, I will get a better chance at specializing through the military on top of my chances at a civilian program?

Now that I am accepted into dental school, these topics have been my primary concern before starting D1. ANG is a little vague, HPSP is a big commitment, and HSCP seems to be worth less than the ANG (ASR) program. Oh, did I mention, these recruiters are difficult to get a hold of. :scared:
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I doubt that they are going to let you do 4 yrs IRR after they just put you on active duty for school. Plan on 4 yrs of being a Ntl. Guard dentist. As far as the specialty info - do a search of the forum - a lot has been put out.
 
That's what I am thinking too. The recruiter hesitated a little when he said that I could "potentially" (cough) do 4 years of IRR instead of drilling.
 
After talking to my recruiter again today, I have a little more information/clarification about the ANG (ASR) program. Long story short, 4 years of IRR after dental school is a no-go, simply a wish. So, after spending 4 years on active duty as a student recruiter AND concurrent ANG drilling in dental school, the newly graduated dentist will drill for 4 years afterwards as a dentist. The dental student will not be deployed, but the dentist has the potential to deploy. The recruiter is trying to confirm if the deployment is only for 90 days or so, but he hasn't confirmed yet.

I don't know about you guys, but this program seems to be a good alternative to both the HPSP and HSCP. What do you guys think?
 
Hawk2thDoc said:
It's called the Amedd Student Recruiter Program. Doesn't apply to dental residents 🙁

http://www.1800goguard.com/explore/medical/asrinfo.php

Great program for someone who doesn't want to go onto active duty. Pays about $50k per year. The student recruiters also get bonuses for every dental student or dentist that they get to join up. I think bonus is $2000-2500 for students and $5000 for dentists.
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Can you validate that the student recruiter will get a bonus for signing up other people? My recruiter says that, it is probably not true because as a student recruiter, you are already on full salary and it is your duty to recruit others into the program. (But he is not sure like many things.)🙂
 
license2kill said:
After talking to my recruiter again today, I have a little more information/clarification about the ANG (ASR) program. Long story short, 4 years of IRR after dental school is a no-go, simply a wish. So, after spending 4 years on active duty as a student recruiter AND concurrent ANG drilling in dental school, the newly graduated dentist will drill for 4 years afterwards as a dentist. The dental student will not be deployed, but the dentist has the potential to deploy. The recruiter is trying to confirm if the deployment is only for 90 days or so, but he hasn't confirmed yet.

I don't know about you guys, but this program seems to be a good alternative to both the HPSP and HSCP. What do you guys think?
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I can confirm deployments are 90 days deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan and possibly a couple weeks before/after training at a base getting ready.
 
The recruiter is probably right. Normally if a Guard dentist makes a referral they get the bonus I mentioned, but that might not be the case for ASR since your job is to recruit.
 
krmower said:
The military specialty programs are just as long as the civilian ones. Prosth, perio, and path are 3 yrs. OMFS is 4, and endo, ortho, and 2 year AEGD are 2. Same as anywhere else. Advantage is your chance of getting accepted and the pay you get during residency is higher than on the outside.
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So you're saying that you have a better chance of getting into residency spots in the military than in the civillian world?
 
hs113891 said:
So you're saying that you have a better chance of getting into residency spots in the military than in the civillian world?
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Yes. If you search for other posts you will see that most programs in the Army and Airforce have better than a 1:2 chance of being accepted. We don't know about the Navy because their graduate education office was vary vague about that - and you have to call them.

However this post is under the National Guard program thread. National Guard and Reserve can not apply for active duty training.
 
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