Navy HPSP Question

[apmcland]

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Hi all,

A recruiter told me that I can pay back the time I have for a HPSP scholarship during residency if I do a military residency. I wasn't sure if this is totally true and wanted to ask.

Please only answer if you really know.

Thanks!

Andy

 

[deuist]

Not at all true. The only time that counts toward payback is working as an attending. In fact, doing a residency later (vs. immediately after medical school) will incur more obligation.

 

[simpleman]

he is a liar. Wrong information.

 

[MadameLULU]

Moving to the Military Medicine forum.

 

[NavyFP]

Hi all,

A recruiter told me that I can pay back the time I have for a HPSP scholarship during residency if I do a military residency. I wasn't sure if this is totally true and wanted to ask.

Please only answer if you really know.

Thanks!

Andy

If that is what your recruiter told you, he/she is mistaken. You can, however pay back residency at the same time as HPSP though. It is one of the few obligations that are concurrent vice consecutive.

 

[FNU LNU]

Let's say you do a 4-year HPSP. You owe four years.
First you do an internship year. You still owe four years.
Next you do a two year GMO tour. Now you owe two years.
Next you do a three year military residency. During residency you pay off the last two years of your HPSP obligation. Once you finish your three year residency you have a three year obligation. Total time in service: 1+2+3+3 = 9 years.

 

[The White Coat Investor]

Let's say you do a 4-year HPSP. You owe four years.
First you do an internship year. You still owe four years.
Next you do a two year GMO tour. Now you owe two years.
Next you do a three year military residency. During residency you pay off the last two years of your HPSP obligation. Once you finish your three year residency you have a three year obligation. Total time in service: 1+2+3+3 = 9 years.

Not quite right. It should read like this:

Let's say you do a 4-year HPSP. You owe four years.
First you do an internship year. You still owe four years.
Next you do a two year GMO tour. Now you owe two years.
Next you do a three year military residency. During residency you pay off zero years of your HPSP obligation. Once you finish your three year residency you have a three year obligation and a two year obligation which run concurrently. Total time in service: 4+1+2+3+3 = 13 years Just because you aren't active duty the entire time during med school doesn't mean the military doesn't have significant influence on your life during that time (and you will spend 6 months of it actually on active duty, without getting credit toward pay or retirement for that time.)

 

[FNU LNU]

Thank you, I stand corrected.

 

[usnavdoc]

Not quite right. It should read like this:

Let's say you do a 4-year HPSP. You owe four years.
First you do an internship year. You still owe four years.
Next you do a two year GMO tour. Now you owe two years.
Next you do a three year military residency. During residency you pay off zero years of your HPSP obligation. Once you finish your three year residency you have a three year obligation and a two year obligation which run concurrently. Total time in service: 4+1+2+3+3 = 13 years Just because you aren't active duty the entire time during med school doesn't mean the military doesn't have significant influence on your life during that time (and you will spend 6 months of it actually on active duty, without getting credit toward pay or retirement for that time.)

Your math is wrong...4 year HPSP Commitment= 9 years of AD payback if you do a military residency.

1 year internship+2 years GMO+ 3 years residency+3 year payback for residency= 9 years on AD....

AD time is what we are all concerned about. Not the HPSP time in a civilian med school where you are essentially a civilian...Other than your AT time (one of which is generally school orders), the military doesnt generally encroach into your everyday life.

 

[DiveMD]

NAVY HPSP=GMO tour. Are you willing to gap your medical education?

 

[Mirror Form]

Other than your AT time (one of which is generally school orders), the military doesnt generally encroach into your everyday life.

Not directly, but during hpsp you'll be government property. So it's an additional four years of no freedom. It doesn't matter for most people, but occasionally there are people who decide medicine isn't for them.

 

[The White Coat Investor]

Your math is wrong...4 year HPSP Commitment= 9 years of AD payback if you do a military residency.

1 year internship+2 years GMO+ 3 years residency+3 year payback for residency= 9 years on AD....

AD time is what we are all concerned about. Not the HPSP time in a civilian med school where you are essentially a civilian...Other than your AT time (one of which is generally school orders), the military doesnt generally encroach into your everyday life.

Yes, 9 years active duty, 13 years (actually 15 if you count IRR time) that the military has some control over your life. I was commissioned in 1999 (the day I signed the "scholarship" contract) and I won't be able to resign that commission until 2014 after a 4 year HPSP scholarship and a 3 year deferred civilian residency. 4 years "active duty" but 15 years during which the military can (and has) affect my life for the worse.

 

[usnavdoc]

Yes, 9 years active duty, 13 years (actually 15 if you count IRR time) that the military has some control over your life. I was commissioned in 1999 (the day I signed the "scholarship" contract) and I won't be able to resign that commission until 2014 after a 4 year HPSP scholarship and a 3 year deferred civilian residency. 4 years "active duty" but 15 years during which the military can (and has) affect my life for the worse.

There is no IRR time if you do 9 years on AD. Your initial HPSP time is for 8 years with a minimum of 4 years on AD the remander can be IRR. If you do 9 years AD you have fullfilled your entire committment. If you get out after 4 years of GMO(+1 year internship) then you have 3 years IRR.

I dont know how the military affected your life while in medical school. I had virtually no contact except my 3 AT rotations. And honestly they werent that bad. It wasnt until I came on AD that I realized how the military affects your life.

Dont get me wrong Im not trying to talk the op into the military. Quite the opposite if he asked me directly. I just want the info to be accurate so he can make an informed decision for himself.

 

[sethco]

If you get out after 4 years of GMO(+1 year internship) then you have 3 years IRR.

What if you did a civilian internship? Does that mean you owe 3 or 4 years of IRR (Assuming you were a GMO for 4 years)?

 

[NavyFP]

What if you did a civilian internship? Does that mean you owe 3 or 4 years of IRR (Assuming you were a GMO for 4 years)?

4 years.

 

[deuist]

Once you are commissioned as an officer, you owe the military 8 years. The caveat is how to split the time between active duty and IRR.