Navy Internship and pay back years.

[Epell]

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I am looking at this chart (http://militarymedicine.com/files/PaybackChart.pdf) especially rows that say "One Year Military Internship/Operational/No Residency..."

It was my understanding from some other threads that internship counts as payback.
However, the chart seems to suggest that 4-year HPSP requires 4 years of pay back, 3-year HPSP requires 3 years of pay back; both after internship.

If internship counts as a pay back year, wouldn't payback be one year less than number of years of scholarship received after internship?

p.s. I think it would be very helpful for many readers here if we had a well organized and easy to understand FAQ thread dedicated to GMO/FS (much like HPSP FAQ thread).

 

[backrow]

It does count as payback, but you are also accruing another year of obligation at the same time.

 

[NavyFP]

I am looking at this chart (http://militarymedicine.com/files/PaybackChart.pdf) especially rows that say "One Year Military Internship/Operational/No Residency..."

It was my understanding from some other threads that internship counts as payback.
However, the chart seems to suggest that 4-year HPSP requires 4 years of pay back, 3-year HPSP requires 3 years of pay back; both after internship.

If internship counts as a pay back year, wouldn't payback be one year less than number of years of scholarship received after internship?

p.s. I think it would be very helpful for many readers here if we had a well organized and easy to understand FAQ thread dedicated to GMO/FS (much like HPSP FAQ thread).

Internship is a neutral year. You do not gain obligation and you do not pay it back.

The exception to this rule (and there are always exceptions) is for Minimum Service Obligation. Everyone who signs an active duty military contract owes 3 years on active duty (we won't discuss the IRR obligation here). For this obligation, internship counts if done in uniform. So, the 1 and 2 year HPSP students can get out after internship and 2 years as a GMO.

There is frequently confusion over when you are gaining time and paying back time. The bottom line is this: if you are in training (other than internship) you are gaining payback time. If you are not in training, you are paying back time.

There are two types of payback: consecutive and concurrent.
Think about it like prison terms. 🙂laugh🙂 Consecutive terms are paid back one after the other. Concurrent terms are paid back at the same time.

There are really 3 types of obligation you can incur
Pre-med school time: ROTC, Academy, Fulbright/Rhodes Scholarships
Med School: HPSP/USUHS
GME: Primary Residency/Fellowships/Second Residencies.

GME can be concurent with Pre-med and med school time.
Pre-med/Med school are all consecutive.
For example we have a Navy Doc who when USNA/Rhodes Scholar/HPSP. He owes 5 years for USNA, 4 years for Rhodes Scholarship, 4 years for HPSP. All are consecutive, so he will be spending a minimum of 13 years plus whatever time he spends in residency.

 

[acesup123]

The exception to this rule (and there are always exceptions) is for Minimum Service Obligation. Everyone who signs an active duty military contract owes 3 years on active duty (we won't discuss the IRR obligation here). For this obligation, internship counts if done in uniform. So, the 1 and 2 year HPSP students can get out after internship and 2 years as a GMO.

Thanks for clearing this up, a lot of people say that doing a 2 year hpsp is a bad deal because you're giving away a free year. But if you can get out 3 (1yr intern + 2 year GMO) then this is something I am seriously considering.