NBME11 spoiler - diabetes question

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A 6 year-old girl is brought to the physician by her mother because of a 2-week history of increased thirst and a 3-kg weight loss. Her mother says that the patient is constantly drinking water. She is at 75th percentile for height and 50th percentile for weight. Physical examination shows tachypnea and dehydration. Laboratory examination shows hyperglycemia, metabolic acidosis and ketonemia. if a biopsy specimen were obtained from this patient's pancreas, which of the following findings in islet cells would now be most likely?

A: basement membrane thickening of capillaries
B: cellular necrosis and lymphocyte infiltration
C: Decrease in mass and deposition of amyloid
D: large beta cell and nuclei
E: marked atrophy and fibrosis

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I put E. Extended feedback says it's wrong. Other forums say it's B.

My reasoning:

1) Despite lymphocytic infiltration obviously occurring with type-I DM, I would think that since the beta-cells are destroyed by the immune system, it would be APOPTOSIS, not necrosis. Since when are the cells necrotic? That just seemed wrong. I would think we'd get CD8+ induced apoptosis secondary to glutamic acid decarboxylase being displayed on MHC-I, either that or auto-antibodies merely binding the GAD.

2) The other thing is that I believe having heard/read somewhere that glucose levels don't actually begin to elevate until somewhere around 90% of the islet cells are already destroyed. So for this kid to already be in DKA means that his beta-cells have to already virtually be gone, so I'd think the lymphocytic infiltrative phase is long-passed. If they asked about what process "gave rise" to his current Sx, that's totally different.

3) Final sentence of the question says, "which of the following findings in islet cells would now be most likely?" This implies that they are acknowledging the chronology of the beta-cell degradation, such that lymphocytic infiltration with APOPTOSIS had occurred early, but NOW fibrosis and atrophy have ensued, with the atrophy occurring secondary to exhaustive hypertrophy.

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Please help.............

BS question quite frankly.
 
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To be honest when I saw this question, I just saw 'lymphocyte infiltratoin' (due to type 4 hypersensitivity), picked it and moved on.. lol.. however, you raise some good points.

I think this answers you're questions:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0022485

Apparently the definition of 'necrosis' is anything other than apoptosis.. and apoptosis has been largely ruled out by researchers as the cause of beta cell death. Inflammatory cytokines are said to be responsible for the necrotic (i.e non apoptotic) death of the beta cells in type 1 diabetes.

But yeah.. pretty BS question.. unless there's a better explanation of why the other answers could not be correct.
 
interesting point from mayn...

about the chronology, I would think that they're trying to make the point is that fibrosis is a chronic long-standing process. I think theres a debate as to the exact etiology of type1 diabetes but let just say its an autoimmune process that happens after some acute viral illness (maybe a cross-reactivity situation, like in rheumatic fever). Just say this kid had a recent virus with the ensuing immune reaction and pancreatic inflammation... I'm pretty sure this would happen quickly, and most of the islet cells could be destroyed before the acute inflammation and repair is even over, with a bunch of lymphocytes still hanging around with other cells and cellular debris at symptom onset. Afterwards there would be persistent lymphocytic infiltration, with deranged replacement/repair of the pancreas leading to fibrosis occuring over the long term. This is just from my intuition without anything to back me up.. does it seem like it makes sense?
 
To be honest when I saw this question, I just saw 'lymphocyte infiltratoin' (due to type 4 hypersensitivity), picked it and moved on.. lol.. however, you raise some good points.

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That was my reasoning and the fact that under DM the histology for Type 1 was Islet leukocytic infiltrate (First Aid).