Need advice on a Test Prep Course

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IsleyOfTheNorth

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Here's my situation:

- I have ~450 hours of study time I can dedicate to the MCAT between today and the test date.
- I don't have any trouble with reading or concepts so tutors and videos are unimportant to me.
- Also, I don't need live instruction or a classroom, but I would like a paced schedule if possible.
- I'm fairly strong in CARS so I'm not worried about that.
- Money isn't a strong consideration. If it works, I'll pay.

Any/all suggestions are appreciated! Thanks!
 
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I've decided on a 14-day trial of Princeton Review. I'll update once I give it a whirl.

Advice is still welcome though (for the next 14 days)! 🙂

TPR or Kaplan is probably your best bet if you're looking for a prep course. Otherwise, i recommend just self studying since it's cheaper.
 
I've decided on a 14-day trial of Princeton Review. I'll update once I give it a whirl.

Advice is still welcome though (for the next 14 days)! 🙂

If you're doing well in CARS, you want to make sure that you keep your strategy sound and don't let PR or Kaplan mess with it. Princeton or Kaplan should be perfect for you, just make sure they do not mess with your CARS. Keep it up!
 
Genuine question, are these prep courses worth the 2000$+ price tag? What type of person would benefit most from them?

Prep courses are useful for someone who needs a structured plan to follow and having someone ensure they’re getting the work done. Personally, i don’t think it’s worth it at all, as self-studying is a lot cheaper (and more flexible) and maintaining self-discipline is an important skill to have.
 
Prep courses are useful for someone who needs a structured plan to follow and having someone ensure they’re getting the work done. Personally, i don’t think it’s worth it at all, as self-studying is a lot cheaper (and more flexible) and maintaining self-discipline is an important skill to have.


Many people I've read about (SDN/Reddit mostly) get above 95 percentile without it. I've also read about people that get those scores and, in no uncertain terms, say the prep course didn't properly prepare them for it. Worse yet, I know people personally who are taking these courses (Kap/TPR) and hardly cracking 500-505 even after months of prep.

If you're doing it in person, maybe the justification is social support from other students. For most online you don't get that same experience.

Are they worth that price tag than? Has there been any studies on them proving their efficacy? Of course "it can't hurt" to do it, but I would argue there are more efficient ways to spend your time and you need to develop the skill for medical school regardless.
 
Many people I've read about (SDN/Reddit mostly) get above 95 percentile without it. I've also read about people that get those scores and, in no uncertain terms, say the prep course didn't properly prepare them for it. Worse yet, I know people personally who are taking these courses (Kap/TPR) and hardly cracking 500-505 even after months of prep.

If you're doing it in person, maybe the justification is social support from other students. For most online you don't get that same experience.

Are they worth that price tag than? Has there been any studies on them proving their efficacy? Of course "it can't hurt" to do it, but I would argue there are more efficient ways to spend your time and you need to develop the skill for medical school regardless.

No, generally they aren't worth it. And I don't know of any studies tbh. I generally don't recommend people invest thousands of dollars into prep courses
 
So for purposes of statistics, I completed the PR's "demo" MCAT test with a score of 503:
C/P: 125
CARS: 125
Bio: 126
P/S: 127

That's with no real preparation other than being a Biology major, so this should be an interesting test of their study methods. Oddly, I did well in P/S which I know almost nothing about, other than CLEP'ing Sociology.
 
So for purposes of statistics, I completed the PR's "demo" MCAT test with a score of 503:
C/P: 125
CARS: 125
Bio: 126
P/S: 127

That's with no real preparation other than being a Biology major, so this should be an interesting test of their study methods. Oddly, I did well in P/S which I know almost nothing about, other than CLEP'ing Sociology.
Definitely will be interesting. That is a very good score for a test that is typically deflated because of the difficulty of the "demo" exam. Keep it up and keep posting about your progress. We will check periodically!
 
Definitely will be interesting. That is a very good score for a test that is typically deflated because of the difficulty of the "demo" exam. Keep it up and keep posting about your progress. We will check periodically!

That's a great diagnostic score for TPR. Most students who work hard from that diagnostic end up scoring 515+.

That's all very encouraging to hear! Let's hope it's not a fluke...
 
That's all very encouraging to hear! Let's hope it's not a fluke...

I would not let ideas like that get into your head! You need to be honest and humble with yourself when you study (especially when you get a question incorrect), but you also want to be confident in your ability and knowledge. Keep it up!
 
Genuine question, are these prep courses worth the 2000$+ price tag? What type of person would benefit most from them?

Genuine answer, for 33% of the population absolutely not, for 33% of the population they offer some utility, and for 33% of the population they are an absolute must. I've been teaching MCAT prep for many years and can say that ten years ago way too many people blindly took prep classes. There were basically four different companies spread across the nation (TBR, EK, TPR, and K), and all of us taught via live classroom instruction. Many students signed up for a class because they feared everyone else was getting something that they didn't want to miss out on. I felt like about half of the students in my class had no idea why they were there when they stepped in for opening day. While I believe everyone got something beneficial out of our classes, there were definitely some students that didn't need a full review course. They could have spent that time and money better.

About ten years ago, companies started offering "live on-line" classes, which was a creative way to cut costs and have hundreds of students paying a good chunk of money. It started as an alternative for people who lived many miles from a study center, but it quickly became what most companies promoted. By the time the new MCAT rolled around, the computer-based lessons were growing rapidly in popularity. They were marketed and presented in a brilliant way. They replaced the traditional live-instructor-in-a-classroom model rather quickly.

But over the last two to three years, many consumers realized that there are many resources out there, such as Khan, AK, and Chad videos. Paying over $2000 to watch someone on a computer screen doesn't make sense to most students. Traditional lecture-based live courses also took a hit. Because we have become more and more attached to our electronics and apps, live classroom instruction fell in popularity over the last three years. Nowadays there are arguably twenty-five to thirty different things you can do for MCAT preparation and many people mix and match. In my opinion though, there are now too many people choosing to not take a classroom-based program with live instruction that would have helped them.

I say this because the majority of students I see in classes now are out of school (average age is 26) and they have failed at preparing for the MCAT at least one time before. Just as students ten years ago flocked to classroom courses they may have not needed, today many students pass on courses that could have helped them. It takes a certain amount of maturity to figure out what works best for you. I still believe only a third of test-takers truly need a live classroom course, and it has to be a class with multiple experienced teachers who are experts in their subject matter.

Live instruction is still the best way to learn material, as many colleges are finding. If you learned the material well, then you should be studying on your own using books, selected videos, and AAMC materials. If you have gaps in your knowledge base or you struggle at the logic associated with test questions, then a course could potentially help a lot. I spend about a third of my time teaching lectures and about two-thirds working with students independently in office hours on questions they miss. Recognizing what they are doing wrong, how to look at things more logically, and how to think their way through questions (especially challenging ones) is what I hope they get out of class and office hours. I will say that almost 100% of the students choosing to take our class nowadays get a great deal out of it. The people today who choose to ignore the stigma of taking a prep course are ones who know with certainty they need a class, so they know how to get the most out of it.

I hope this perspective is helpful. If you don't think you need a class, then you probably don't. If you think a class fits your learning style, then you probably need one. Know yourself!
 
Got my MCAT Score this morning: 513: -- 127/128/130/128 -- 88%

Practice exams
:
(TPR = The Princeton Review online self-paced)
TPR Demo: 503
TPR Test 1: 504
-- lots of TPR content review videos --
AAMC Test 1: 513 88%
Real Deal: 513 88%

My methods:
Honestly, I mostly did the TPR online videos and practice questions. I did NOT do many practice tests (though I definitely should have). However, I took the practice tests under real-conditions which I think helped on test day. I did the real test exactly as I did my practice tests. I did all the standalone questions first. If I hit questions I was unsure about, I took my best guess and moved on. I took all the breaks but I ended up finishing 40 minutes early anyway (CARS and psych/soc - I'm a fast reader). I'm also a naturally good test taker which helped because...

Studying:
Pretty much the only thing I did was watch the TPR videos and supplemented with Internet resources as necessary if I didn't understand something. I would not recommend this as a study method - I would have done better if I had actually read the books they sent. But... I didn't - mostly because I ran out of time. One thing I did that I think helps is that I watched with the intent to teach the material to someone else. I re-watched as necessary to this end.

The videos themselves were of varying quality. On a 5-point scale, with 5 being very useful and 1 being worthless:
Biology: 5 This was the best thing about the TPR course IMHO
Gen Chem: 2 Not worthless, but close.
Organic Chem: 4 Pretty good
Physics: 3
Psych/Soc: 2
Not very good to the point where they added some videos by someone else to supplement the material.
CARS: No idea. I did no prep for CARS.

Was it worth the price ($1,700)? Not really. You could, if disciplined, do as well or better by just reading the books and doing practice questions.
Am I glad I did it? Yes. For me, it worked out pretty well.

Honestly the best prep you can do is to treat your undergrad courses like they're MCAT prep and learn for retention. Don't just get an "A", actually learn the material as though you were going to teach it. That said, you do need to do MCAT prep in addition to your classes to fill in the gaps.

Also, don't psych yourself out. I walked out of the test feeling that I probably bombed it, but I didn't let it get me down. I said to myself: "Now I have experience on the real deal, so my next test will be better." And, of course, I ended up doing better than I expected. I think we only remember the questions we struggled on and forget all those easy questions we knocked out early.

Best of luck to everyone preparing to tackle this beast!
 
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