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I need advice from nurses and NPs
I am currently a computer software consultant with Master's in computer science. I am married and have 2 little kids. I am losing my job soon and now I am thinking about changing my profession to NP. Here they offer a 2 years master's program for non nursing graduate. I may have to take a few science courses to get into the program next year. I was wondering if NP job offers flexible hours. Currently my profession does not offer flex time and I end up working M-F 7am to 6 PM. I want to spend more time with my kids and work weekends probably so that my husband can take care of them in the weekends. What can I expect from Nursing school? Is it really hard? Do I have to spend lot of time reading? Please provide some info about the schooling and the profession as such. I also saw that the NP make decent salary (NPCentral.net). But the median may not be the same in the state I am in. Can someone provide salary info as well.
thanks a lot
 
Originally posted by nursingschool
HI
I need advice from nurses and NPs
I am currently a computer software consultant with Master's in computer science. I am married and have 2 little kids. I am losing my job soon and now I am thinking about changing my profession to NP. Here they offer a 2 years master's program for non nursing graduate. I may have to take a few science courses to get into the program next year. I was wondering if NP job offers flexible hours. Currently my profession does not offer flex time and I end up working M-F 7am to 6 PM. I want to spend more time with my kids and work weekends probably so that my husband can take care of them in the weekends. What can I expect from Nursing school? Is it really hard? Do I have to spend lot of time reading? Please provide some info about the schooling and the profession as such. I also saw that the NP make decent salary (NPCentral.net). But the median may not be the same in the state I am in. Can someone provide salary info as well.
thanks a lot

granted I'm not a nursing student but I cannot quite understand why you'd want to switch careers. With a masters in CS you are a very marketable candidate, the poor economy notwithstanding. You can be sure things will be better 2 years hence (when you'd finish the nursing program).

I suspect you'd have better earning potential in CS, too.

good luck.
 
You can expect to work hard in nursing school. That's not to say it's not doable. A lady I know had 6 children and a full time job while in nursing school! So the point is any body can do it if they are willing to sacrifice. You can expect to get pushed but it is very rewarding. You can work as much or as little as you want and when and where you want. Nursing is very diverse and you have many options and with the nationwide, global shortage you should be able to pick and choose what direction you want to go with your nursing degree. Salary for a new grad is around 50k, np's do start around 75k, and a crna start close 100k. As far as your questions of is it hard and is there a lot of reading, those don't sound like questions anybody with a masters would ask, so I have to ask how did you get your masters?
 
You can expect to work hard in nursing school. That's not to say it's not doable. A lady I know had 6 children and a full time job while in nursing school! So the point is any body can do it if they are willing to sacrifice. You can expect to get pushed but it is very rewarding. You can work as much or as little as you want and when and where you want. Nursing is very diverse and you have many options and with the nationwide, global shortage you should be able to pick and choose what direction you want to go with your nursing degree. Salary for a new grad is around 50k, np's do start around 75k, and a crna start close 100k. As far as your questions of is it hard and is there a lot of reading, those don't sound like questions anybody with a masters would ask, so I have to ask how did you get your masters?



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First when I got my master's I was not even married. No kids. So, reading was no big deal. Master's in Computers, you really do not have to read a lot. As long as you know how to use logical part of the brain, you can score high. There is absolutely no memorizing in C.S as far I am concerned. I quit science when I was 15 and have come a long way. There is lot of memorizing to do in science, I think. It is because that I am ignorant, I am asking for people's advice. So, please quit teasing. I have 4.0 GPA in master's. Thanks for the info you have provided here anyway. Do you have a MAster's degree as well? You may be able to give me more info if that's the case.
 
Originally posted by nursingschool
HI
I need advice from nurses and NPs
I am currently a computer software consultant with Master's in computer science. I am married and have 2 little kids. I am losing my job soon and now I am thinking about changing my profession to NP. Here they offer a 2 years master's program for non nursing graduate. I may have to take a few science courses to get into the program next year. I was wondering if NP job offers flexible hours. Currently my profession does not offer flex time and I end up working M-F 7am to 6 PM. I want to spend more time with my kids and work weekends probably so that my husband can take care of them in the weekends. What can I expect from Nursing school? Is it really hard? Do I have to spend lot of time reading? Please provide some info about the schooling and the profession as such. I also saw that the NP make decent salary (NPCentral.net). But the median may not be the same in the state I am in. Can someone provide salary info as well.
thanks a lot

To answer your primary questions... yes, NP often offers flexible hours (but you may need to move to find a position that suits you, depending on the size of the city you live in now). I've seen NP Central's salary data too, and frankly, I think those numbers are arbitrary. Yes, they are statistically correct, but the standard deviation must be huge. In laymens' terms, many start at 50K/yr, most start in the 60 to 70K/yr range, but there are also several who start out over 100K (I will be starting 120K+ based on productivity).

The salary all depends on the type of practice. Family practices aren't gonna be able to afford much more than 60-70K/yr. However, if you specialize, you can top 100K/yr easy, especially if you work for a surgeon who likes you.

I would think, though, that your Master's in CS makes you more valuable than you think. Go out there on the web and check out some head hunters. I'd bet you'll have more offers than you want to deal with if you put your resume out there.

One question... why such a big change in career interest? How do you know you want to be a NP?

Good luck...
 
thanks for your info. The computer market is so bad that people go without jobs for 6 months - 1 year. Some of my friends have not been able to find job for more than 6 months and they settle for less pay too.
Needless to say, we have to learn new technologye every few months to keep up with the market. It gets tiring for me. I have been programming for more than 10 years now.
I want to do NP because of the following reasons:
1. I always liked medicine and did not have a chance to do it when I was young

2. I want to be able to spend time with my children and be able to teach them their home work etc...
in other words, I want to be home for them when they come back from school.
3. Plus, I want to have a career in a good field (the field that never dies) with th potiential to make more money, if needed.

All these might be possible only if I change my career.
My profession demands me to work more than 10 hours/ 5 days/ week.
Where did you get your Master's if I may ask? How long did it take? Can you please give me more info on the program?
What are you specializing in?

I am also looking for a job in my profession (& other as well) so that I don't waste a year while doing my pre-requisites.

please provide more info

Thanks
 
I'm not here to pop any bubbles, or to assume that you didn't do your homework on the profession.....just putting in my $.02 and hopefully get you to think a little further. You are obviously facing a tough time right now.

Don't think that NP school is the answer to all of your "wish list" druthers. Being an NP is a job, maybe you won't take call, but you'll be in a Dr's office during regular business hours, and possible evening/early nite and weekend hours in a peds or busy FP office. And don't forget about birthing those babies if you're thinking about OB....And the malpractice insurance (you will need to carry your own) = $$$.....see where I'm going with this?

I firmly believe that everyone (no matter what age or previous background) should thoroughly investigate their "new" job/career. This not only involves on-line, or book, research, but involves actually shadowing a person in the prospective career to REALLY see/feel/hear/deal with what is involved. Call up some FP/peds/OB offices and ask if there are any NP's there. Explain your situation. Can you shadow them for a week? (In my experience, the answer is usually yes.) While you are there, see everything you can, ask a million questions.....THEN make your decision; FULLY informed about the + and - of the career (not just the $$$). Hey, and don't totally rule out working as an RN (lots more freedom than an NP). Plenty of my co-workers raised their babies working as an RN.

I also have a huge issue with these "don't need a nursing background but can get your NP in 2 yrs or less" programs....but that's another thread.... 😉

Good luck in your endeavors.

Kat 🙂
 
thanks. But I have asked a NP and nursing unit (last week) in a hospital close by, if i can volunteer for sometime to learn more about it. I will be starting that next week, hopefully. Being on this board would give me a wider perspective of this field, I hope. People like you, who are in this field, give me valuable information. I am still only seriously considering it. I have not jumped into anything yet.

Thanks
 
Originally posted by nursingschool
thanks for your info. The computer market is so bad that people go without jobs for 6 months - 1 year. Some of my friends have not been able to find job for more than 6 months and they settle for less pay too.
Needless to say, we have to learn new technologye every few months to keep up with the market. It gets tiring for me. I have been programming for more than 10 years now.
I want to do NP because of the following reasons:
1. I always liked medicine and did not have a chance to do it when I was young

2. I want to be able to spend time with my children and be able to teach them their home work etc...
in other words, I want to be home for them when they come back from school.
3. Plus, I want to have a career in a good field (the field that never dies) with th potiential to make more money, if needed.

All these might be possible only if I change my career.
My profession demands me to work more than 10 hours/ 5 days/ week.
Where did you get your Master's if I may ask? How long did it take? Can you please give me more info on the program?
What are you specializing in?

I am also looking for a job in my profession (& other as well) so that I don't waste a year while doing my pre-requisites.

please provide more info

Thanks

Hi...

I am in the process of finishing up the Master's at UMKC school of nursing, I will be specializing in Family Nurse Pracititioner. Go to www.umkc.edu/nursing to see more about the Master's program. I'm not sure if they require a BSN for admission or not. You should find all the info you need at their website. I have a very unique situation... I was about 6 months from getting into med school about 3 years ago when I met with a doctor who's a friend of mine, who talked with me for a long time about medicine and it's future, and he offered me an opportunity to work with him that I just couldn't refuse... I mean, it was worth it to go BACKWARDS in my undergrad to bet a BSN so I could get the MSN (did the math, will be ahead over $900,000 by the time I'm 35). Sure, I could've probably made that up if I were a Cardiothoracic surgeon or something, but I don't want my career to hold that much weight in my life. My wife holds too much of me for me to put her through something like that kind of life. That's why I choose NP over DO/MD. The future for medicine looks grim to me with the cuts by medicaid/medicare/insurance continuously getting bigger and showing no signs of change. However, this is inversly proportional to the future of NP/PA, because docs will be forced to use them to expand their practice to keep their income up. 🙂
 
thanks for the info. I am in chicago land area and here in "depaul university" they offer a graduate program for non-nursing graduates. It will take 2 years to complete that course. after which I will be aligible to take RN licence. I still will have to take 26 quarter hours after that, to become a NP. So, I am assuming 3 years to finish the course. I believe it is worth the time and effort. my kids are still young 5 and 3. They need me around for quite some time. So, this career choice might be better for them and me.
THanks again!
 
CSci has no earning potential in the future....dont know why anyone would say that. Some people just make poor choices. Consider my case. I was accepted to a top 20 business school to enter the #1 ranked MIS program. It is literally the hardest program here to get into at any level, harder than our med school, law, dental. They were turning away 4.0s, and refused to process transfers without a 3.8. The average day one salary was $50K and rising by 5K per year, at least. I spurned Northwestern and Notre Dame to come here. The whole first two years, I was the envy of everyone. I told them I was in MIS, and the business school here, and without fail, they would say either "You are going to be so loaded" or "Wow, I wish I could get into that". I bought a nearly brand new sports car and was on top of the world. The future could have not been brighter for me. I was enjoying my classes and doing very well in them. My cousins accepted job offers of $70K plus during this time right out of state universities with lower reputations. I was ready to add a sixth digit to my W-2 by the time I was 25 and to have a steady job that I loved for life.

Two stories which stand out to me about the power of fate and choices:

My friend from high school was a basketball star, but not on the level of being recruited by anyone of note. He slid all the way through school, barely graduating. The kid handed in his chemistry final during junior year after ten minutes with "I don't care" written on it. He applied to my school with dreams of starting a dot-com with me during freshman year, but was rejected entirely from the university, and was never close to MIS. He was accepted at a school instate that took nearly anyone, and transferred after two years to another mediocre school. Where is he today, four years after we all graduated high school? Starting medical school in the fall.

The first week of school here, I started dating a girl who was in our General College, the probationary arm of the university. GC is basically high school for the athletes and those extreme fringe students. She had a 16 ACT in high school, and a sub-2.5 GPA. Her first two years here, she was below a 2.0, even in the low challenge environment of GC. I had to help her with her sciences, as a business major, so she could even make Cs in them. She was on academic probation and had to transfer home. People told me to give up on her, that we were headed in different directions and that I should aim higher. We broke up, mostly because of the distance though. After another transfer, where does she stand today? Graduating in nursing in May 2004. She already has job offers on the table at a great salary. Yes, they were right about us going in opposite directions.

Where am I today? I had a small handful of interviews this fall and spring, mostly for positions that the company chose to not fill at all. The MIS program currently can't even fill the seats with anyone, let alone be selective. Over 70% of my elite MIS class, of which I am in the top 10% of, will walk at graduation on Sunday without a job. I am one of them. My "offer" on graduation day was from TGI Friday's, as a waiter. I have virtually no chance of ever working a day in my field, ever. I will have to pursue an entirely new major or career if I ever want a chance at a decent life. Am I afraid that whatever I choose will evaporate like tech did? Absolutely. There will be a massive group of ex-techies applying to all professional schools in 1-3 years. This scares me to death, because I cannot fail. At this point, the stakes are approaching do or die, because of student debt.

It is extremely sad that a generation of bright people were sold a bill of goods on the whole tech boom. Perhaps at no time in American history has an industry or career path boomed so fast and met with such immediate obsolescence. There are tens of thousands of our nation's people graduating this month alone with virtually no hope for the future. Check out any message board, virtually all career changers into any field are people like me. Check out any unemployment board, see how many MIS/CIS/CSci people predominate. It is about 90%. It is an American crisis, and one that may never get better for years, until people stop trying to enter the field entirely.
 
YOu are right FmLizard. I assume that you are young, since you are just graduating from school. It is certainly not too late to consider another career at this point. I also assume that you are not married, no kids etc.. YOu can afford to spend more time in schooling at this point in your life. It gets harder once to get a family. YOu are also right that about CS field not having a bright future. Please seriously consider another path.

I hope you will make the right decision.
Good luck
 
In the late '70s I moved to the San Francisco Bay Area to take a job as a Paramedic. I am female, and there just weren't that many jobs for female paramedics in Southern California. Unfortunately, the same reason that was true also affected me as a Paramedic in the SFBA: the men were quite clear in their dislike of women in the field (something which I understand has not really improved all that much; it's just that sexual harrassment is treated more harshly now). Consequently, I lost my job.
Jobless, I looked around and decided to get into the computer industry. I wasn't really aware that I was just north of Silicon Valley. I took some classes in computers and electronics and started a job as a computer operator trainee. I was one of those many people who ended up doing software (before personal computers were ubiquitous) who had a degree in a different field (in my case, Microbiology). This was also true because there just weren't that many CS degree programs at the time, as well.
For over 20 years I never had trouble getting a job doing software. I worked at some of the best companies: Apple, Amiga, Sun. With the internet boom, many people started coming to Silicon Valley, and the companies were also importing people, especially from India.
I was laid off in August of 2001. Where, about 18 mos before, when I put my resume up on Dice my phone rang off the hook, now there was silence. I interviewed at a few places--just came short of being hired by Adobe. My last interview, some time ago, was at Paypal, right after Ebay decided to buy them. Where I had been making $100K, the job they had would pay $70K (I was doing software release engineering at this point, which pays less than software development--I didn't like development that much). The folks at Paypal also kept asking me to define what "working too hard" was. They were quite clear that many hours would be expected out of me. Also, Silicon Valley is very much a youth culture...and I am now 53.
Because they can, companies also became more strict about hiring people with CS degrees--which I didn't have. So I was faced with going back to school, one way or another. I decided to go into nursing (I had been in nursing school briefly before); since I haven't had certain classes within 7 years, I have to re-take them. I have had a lifelong love of healthcare (that's how I ended up with a degree in Microbiology) and had often considered medical school (I took the MCAT in 1994). I'm a little old for that now 🙂.
One of the additional reasons for going into healthcare is that it is difficult to do it "over the 'net". Business Week recently had an article on globalization. In this article, they said that by 2015 3.3 Million *WHITE COLLAR* jobs will have moved offshore. Jobs that can be done offshore will move offshore--that means tech will not recover. (I do wonder what that means for us as a country).
I might do other things in healthcare--I could potentially get a CLS trainee license and become a CLS (Clinical Laboratory Scientist--formerly "Med Tech"s). Maybe P.A. I have to say I am far happier re-taking Anatomy and Physiology than I would be taking C++. In fact, I've said in the past that I'd like to go to medical school if for nothing more than the first 2 years of basic sciences!
And pay ? Well, for 40 hours/wk working as a nurse, rather than 60 hours/wk as a computer geek, I will be making more per hour.
 
I know the computer market is terrible right now. I have friends with their masters in computer science and they are struggling to get jobs. Many were making pretty high dollar and then all of a sudden laid off. Then if the found a job it was making extremely less than they were used to. So I feel for you there.

As for nursing, it's been a long time since I made less than 70K just as an RN only. As an NP, well I hope eventually to make at least that if not more. I didn't research the NP salary very well and assumed it would be more than I was making as an RN. I was wrong. And I am not a family practice NP. But like I said I am still working on it. I just hated having to go back into the hospital to make up the difference until I can get the best contract.

As for nursing school there is a ton of reading. You also have to pass certification exams. Course if you go to a good school passing the exam isn't all that bad.

I want to know how you found a non-nursing program. When I entered NP school I had a hard time getting in since my bachelors is in Psychology and my nursing is an ADN. Many NP as well as CS programs wouldn't touch me. I still had to take some tests to "prove" I had BSN ability to get into the program I got into.

I am curious.

AxisNP
 
know the computer market is terrible right now. I have friends with their masters in computer science and they are struggling to get jobs. Many were making pretty high dollar and then all of a sudden laid off. Then if the found a job it was making extremely less than they were used to. So I feel for you there.

As for nursing, it's been a long time since I made less than 70K just as an RN only. As an NP, well I hope eventually to make at least that if not more. I didn't research the NP salary very well and assumed it would be more than I was making as an RN. I was wrong. And I am not a family practice NP. But like I said I am still working on it. I just hated having to go back into the hospital to make up the difference until I can get the best contract.

As for nursing school there is a ton of reading. You also have to pass certification exams. Course if you go to a good school passing the exam isn't all that bad.

I want to know how you found a non-nursing program. When I entered NP school I had a hard time getting in since my bachelors is in Psychology and my nursing is an ADN. Many NP as well as CS programs wouldn't touch me. I still had to take some tests to "prove" I had BSN ability to get into the program I got into.

I am curious.

AxisNP


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Thanks for your support. It assures that I have to get into Master's program and do something useful. It was also nice to know that I can make a very decent living as a RN ( as far as the monetary aspect, I meant)
I was browsing the net to get more info about accelerated nursing program and found that DePaul (chicago) offers Master's program for non-nursing grdauates. It offers only MSN degree upon compeletion but still will have to take 26 quarter hours (3 quarters) to get NP. And I was told that it should not be a problem getting into NP program since I will be getting my MSN from there. CNA program might be harder to get into.
I am not sure yet what field I want to get into. I will worry about that during my second year. What kind of NP are you?
 
"Thanks for your support. It assures that I have to get into Master's program and do something useful. It was also nice to know that I can make a very decent living as a RN ( as far as the monetary aspect, I meant)
I was browsing the net to get more info about accelerated nursing program and found that DePaul (chicago) offers Master's program for non-nursing grdauates. It offers only MSN degree upon compeletion but still will have to take 26 quarter hours (3 quarters) to get NP. And I was told that it should not be a problem getting into NP program since I will be getting my MSN from there. CNA program might be harder to get into.
I am not sure yet what field I want to get into. I will worry about that during my second year. What kind of NP are you?"


I am a Psychiatric Mental Health NP. I find the idea of a NP program that doesn't require one to be a nurse already very interesting. The one I attended you not only had to be an RN already you had to have a minimum of 3 years experience in the specialty. It was a two year program if done full time ( including summer semesters). There are 4 semesters of clinical. I didn't have my BSN, my bachelors degree is non-nursing. So I had to take a test prior to entering. I even had to go out of state. All the CS and NP programs in my state required the BSN and wanted me to do the undergraduate work before attending. They would not accept at all my bachelors in Psychology.

AxisNP
 
Now, I don't know if this thread is too old and if anyone is still bothering to check~ But just thought I would give it a chance to share what I know.

From your extensive experience dealing with Computers and high-tech, perhaps you would be interested to go for Informatics Nursing? It is a Master program. I know there're schools that offer the degree online (U. of Colorado being one), so you can spend the time at home with family and never have to attend class. It is a relatively new program, but I know there're 36 schools offering it now across the nation.

Just think you might be interested. So how are you doing now? Still interested into Nursing?

Best Luck
 
Yes, I am still interested in becoming a Nurse Practitioner. I am alreday done with 3 of the 5 classes needed to get into the Master's program. But about informatics nursing, how good is the job market for that?
 
Informatics nursing is a great career with lots of opportunities. HIPPA (a new nationwide act to aid in medical information processing and security) will make informatics a high demand position. One of my classmates is in this field and got a job in Washington for the government after graduation this past August.

Do a search for more information or check out Vanderbilt's program.

www. vanderbilt.edu/nursing
 
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