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I barely have any life in school and basically I study all day in the library. I have a 2.3 GPA and I try so hard. What should I do? I always ask for help by getting tutored and ask the professor for help. They all say that I understand the material but I make simple mistakes. My simple mistakes brought my grade down and I am only a sophomore in college.

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Talk to one of the non-student employees who run the tutoring center. See if they can offer any services. Maybe you need help working on your test taking technique.
 
You could be studying different kind of material than appears on the exam. Like, I know a lot of people who "study" for 10 hours in the library, which involves checking Facebook, checking e-mail, getting snacks, doing a problem from the section, then repeating the process. Make sure you're not just slamming your head into a wall and calling it studying.

Make sure you do all of the "conceptual" questions in the book. Those are a huge help, because exams often contain "gotcha!' material that you'd almost assuredly nail if you could answer the conceptual/critical thinking questions in the book.
 
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I totally understand where you are coming from! Sometimes the things that you studied just aren't on the test!
Are you taking lots of science classes? I typically take 2-3 science classes per semester along with 1-2 electives. This allows me more time to focus on the important classes (science).
Definitely go to office hrs if you have questions... doesn't hurt to get to know the professor to get a good LOTR. 😉
Don't let a low GPA keep you from achieving your dreams!
 
I feel like I can relate as well. When you're studying for long hours make sure to take breaks or exercise to keep your mind alert. Also try to study with motivated people. I did the best in classes where I was able to find a good study partner to quiz me on the info. It really makes you apply and learn the material rather than just memorize.
 
maybe it is ur IQ problem

I really can't imagine what would motivate a person to take the time to post an immature response like this. I'm not sure what the point is of bothering to post it. You might want to examine what it indicates about your personal character since you're apparently pursuing a career that is based on helping others.
 
Learn every possible situation for a particular problem so that you can tackle any type of question possible.
 
Are you attending class regularly? Sometimes you will come across instructors who emphasize in-class material on the test. If they say it two or three times, that is your clue to study that material. Do the professors hand out slides or offer them to you online prior to class? Considering you are only a sophomore, it could be that you have not quite figured out your learning style. People will argue that learning styles don't really exist but there is a lot of evidence out there that they do; I know from personal experience that I have a certain learning style and I didn't figure it out until late in my college career.

Also, what types of "simple mistakes" are you making? Calculation errors? What class is this for? I know a couple of students who didn't get diagnosed with a learning disability until college... with how easy it is to get through high school here in the states, it's probably more common than you think. Can you give us more information about your situation? We may be able to offer better advice if you do so...
 
Yeah, simple mistakes are a real pain, since they have a tendency to creep up on you, even if you have thoroughly studied the material. Its also incredibly easy for it to become a self-fulfilling prophecy: you make simple mistakes on a test, so you are nervous about the next one, which causes you to make more simple mistakes, continuing the cycle.

The key is to break this cycle. You say that you spend a large amount of time studying, so I can assume you know the material fairly well (if you don't, then its a different discussion). When test day comes, try NOT to care about how you do. Rather, just pretend that you are going through the motions, like you're filling out a job application. This means that you occasionally put down the pencil, stretch, maybe drum your fingers, etc... I realize that this seems counter-intuitive, but trust me, it works. If you find yourself getting the butterflies, just say to yourself: "I already studied for this test. I know that I'm reasonably knowledgeable about the content. This gives me license NOT to be nervous."
 
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I barely have any life in school and basically I study all day in the library. I have a 2.3 GPA and I try so hard. What should I do? I always ask for help by getting tutored and ask the professor for help. They all say that I understand the material but I make simple mistakes. My simple mistakes brought my grade down and I am only a sophomore in college.

I was in your shoes early in my college career. You should try explaining the materials to someone else to make sure you really understand it, and put it into your own words. I thought I made simple mistakes as well but reality is that I did not understood the materials forward and backwards. I don't believe that a 2.3 is the result of simple mistakes (my gpa was once a 2.0 range...) I thought I knew everything that was required because I could regurgitate the info. Good luck!
 
If your gpa is in the 2.0 range then, in my opinion, you're not making simple mistakes. I make A LOT stupid mistakes like miscalculations, misreading the problem or sentences, reading questions a bit too fast, etc. and my gpa isn't a 2.0 You are not understanding the material accurately and thoroughly. It can be beneficial to study with someone. That is, someone who will focus on the course work and make sure both of you guys are not off task. If you can't find someone like this then summarize the material that you have learned in your own way (but make sure you remember details) and recite it to a professor or TA.
And of course make sure you take breaks and exercise or something. You have to balance your life and make sure you're not always working your brain hard. Relax and think positively.
 
I barely have any life in school and basically I study all day in the library. I have a 2.3 GPA and I try so hard. What should I do? I always ask for help by getting tutored and ask the professor for help. They all say that I understand the material but I make simple mistakes. My simple mistakes brought my grade down and I am only a sophomore in college.

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what type of classes are you taking and how do you study for them?
 
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Talk to one of the non-student employees who run the tutoring center. See if they can offer any services. Maybe you need help working on your test taking technique.

Well, I have asked about test taking techniques and it does help. Yet, I still do not get the best grades. For example, in biology my tutor showed me how he take his test and I had grades that were higher than most students but I still got a C in that class.
 
You could be studying different kind of material than appears on the exam. Like, I know a lot of people who "study" for 10 hours in the library, which involves checking Facebook, checking e-mail, getting snacks, doing a problem from the section, then repeating the process. Make sure you're not just slamming your head into a wall and calling it studying.

Make sure you do all of the "conceptual" questions in the book. Those are a huge help, because exams often contain "gotcha!' material that you'd almost assuredly nail if you could answer the conceptual/critical thinking questions in the book.

Well, I am actually try to stay away from checking Facebook, emails, ect. I study by going to a Quiet Room without a laptop, unless I am writing a paper. Usually I would study by getting tutored and making Cornell notes. Most of the time it helps me, but sometimes I put in information that are not important.I will try to do questions from the book constantly.Thank you!
 
I totally understand where you are coming from! Sometimes the things that you studied just aren't on the test!
Are you taking lots of science classes? I typically take 2-3 science classes per semester along with 1-2 electives. This allows me more time to focus on the important classes (science).
Definitely go to office hrs if you have questions... doesn't hurt to get to know the professor to get a good LOTR. 😉
Don't let a low GPA keep you from achieving your dreams!

I know right! I do take the about the same amount of science classes and electives, but I have 18 hour credits each semester. Sometimes it overwhelms me and sometimes it doesn't. 🙂 Thanks for helping me.
 
Are you attending class regularly? Sometimes you will come across instructors who emphasize in-class material on the test. If they say it two or three times, that is your clue to study that material. Do the professors hand out slides or offer them to you online prior to class? Considering you are only a sophomore, it could be that you have not quite figured out your learning style. People will argue that learning styles don't really exist but there is a lot of evidence out there that they do; I know from personal experience that I have a certain learning style and I didn't figure it out until late in my college career.

Also, what types of "simple mistakes" are you making? Calculation errors? What class is this for? I know a couple of students who didn't get diagnosed with a learning disability until college... with how easy it is to get through high school here in the states, it's probably more common than you think. Can you give us more information about your situation? We may be able to offer better advice if you do so...

Yes I do attend my classes regularly and I had never missed a day in class. I also never sleep in class and try to write everything the professors taught. However, my professors do not hand out slides or online. They usually hand out homework and that is about it.
My simple mistakes are usually calculation errors or errors that I know how to do, but when it comes to the test I forget them easily. Sometimes I think that I don't read the question carefully or I do not dive into the question. After I get my test back, I usually ask myself why I was not able to do the questions or why I made a mistake. Many of my professors tell me that I know the concepts, but I make tiny errors.
 
Yeah, simple mistakes are a real pain, since they have a tendency to creep up on you, even if you have thoroughly studied the material. Its also incredibly easy for it to become a self-fulfilling prophecy: you make simple mistakes on a test, so you are nervous about the next one, which causes you to make more simple mistakes, continuing the cycle.

The key is to break this cycle. You say that you spend a large amount of time studying, so I can assume you know the material fairly well (if you don't, then its a different discussion). When test day comes, try NOT to care about how you do. Rather, just pretend that you are going through the motions, like you're filling out a job application. This means that you occasionally put down the pencil, stretch, maybe drum your fingers, etc... I realize that this seems counter-intuitive, but trust me, it works. If you find yourself getting the butterflies, just say to yourself: "I already studied for this test. I know that I'm reasonably knowledgeable about the content. This gives me license NOT to be nervous."

Thanks for the tip!!! 🙂 I will definitely try to break this!
 
need more info

what type of classes are you taking and how do you study for them?
Last year I took at least 1-2 science classes. I studied by making Cornell notes, look over the book a little, sometimes I look through my friend's notebook, and study questions from recent tests that my teacher gave me.
Also, I took English and I did not really study. I wrote papers, read over my paper, ask my teacher to look for my mistakes sometimes and read books.
 
I know right! I do take the about the same amount of science classes and electives, but I have 18 hour credits each semester. Sometimes it overwhelms me and sometimes it doesn't. 🙂 Thanks for helping me.

1, Study efficiently - Watch your time. There will be many instances when you simply won't be able to cover every detail. Separating relevant from irrelevant information is the key. More on this later.

2. Make a Plan and Stick to it - Figure out how much time you're going to spend on each class every day and stick with it so you won't ever feel overwhelmed. If you have a good study plan, you should be 100% ready for exams at least a couple of days before the exam day.

Well, I am actually try to stay away from checking Facebook, emails, ect. I study by going to a Quiet Room without a laptop, unless I am writing a paper. Usually I would study by getting tutored and making Cornell notes. Most of the time it helps me, but sometimes I put in information that are not important.I will try to do questions from the book constantly.Thank you!

Does the tutor attend lecture? How can he decide which information is important?

You probably know best if the tutor is worthwhile but when you are stuck or need help, the professor is the best person to ask because he/she writes the test (presumably).


Yes I do attend my classes regularly and I had never missed a day in class. I also never sleep in class and try to write everything the professors taught. However, my professors do not hand out slides or online. They usually hand out homework and that is about it.
My simple mistakes are usually calculation errors or errors that I know how to do, but when it comes to the test I forget them easily. Sometimes I think that I don't read the question carefully or I do not dive into the question. After I get my test back, I usually ask myself why I was not able to do the questions or why I made a mistake. Many of my professors tell me that I know the concepts, but I make tiny errors.

Notes are great but if you are writing too much then you're being counter-productive. Try to understand as much as you can before you write any notes.

Remember, the more you write, the less you know. So keep your notes short.

Also, write notes in the form of questions.

For example, instead of writing down "The 5 kingdoms are Monerans, Protists, Fungi, Plants and Animals." write "What are the 5 kingdoms?" and list the answers somewhere out of sight.

To reduce simple mistake,
1. Practice - Try and focus on questions that are as close as possible to what the test questions should look like. Make sure you're practice environment is as close as possible to the test environment. You seem to already have this down though.

2. Sleep - Everyone will tell you how important a good night's sleep is before the day of a test and it's true.

Remember that it's usually easier to understand a concept than it is to memorize. Lastly, when you think you're ready for the test, don't review by re-reading the same old material, think of possible test questions and practice answering them.
 
You could be studying different kind of material than appears on the exam. Like, I know a lot of people who "study" for 10 hours in the library, which involves checking Facebook, checking e-mail, getting snacks, doing a problem from the section, then repeating the process. Make sure you're not just slamming your head into a wall and calling it studying.


that explains my GPA:idea:
 
I really can't imagine what would motivate a person to take the time to post an immature response like this. I'm not sure what the point is of bothering to post it. You might want to examine what it indicates about your personal character since you're apparently pursuing a career that is based on helping others.

The statement questioning the IQ level of the low GPA student is the most mature, well-thought out and accurate response. Please come to reality here. Not everyone is smart or able to do coursework. Do you want your pharmacist taking an hour to figure out a calculation on how to dose and then getting it wrong due to a simple mistake? How about your doctor need to restudy since he works so hard to learn but just does not get it?

This will most likely offend everyone on the blog but it is reality. There really are people that can study for 10 hours and never get it. Then there are those that can master the material in several hours. Just because you want to be a pharmacist and you try really hard doesn't mean you can. Life sucks but the cold truth is: high grades are a good indicator if you can cut it in pharmacy school. If you barely get 2.3 in undergrad, where would you find time to study for 20 credits graduate school in a high-demanding profession?

Bottom line: Some students have the IQ and some don't. That is not mean, it is life. Grow up. And yes, I do care about people and am very concerned a student has the IQ to dose correctly and not kill the patient.
 
My test-taking studying comes in layers. I've been in school a long time, and even outside of a classroom, I pay attention to HOW I learn.

I take very brief notes in class during lecture. I try not to copy everything down. I mostly want to LISTEN and get the overall big picture of the lecture. I want to understand the concepts. Because of this I almost NEVER read the text before class. I've found it is a waste of time for me. I don't understand the context so it all reads like gibberish.

But after lecture, I can start to fill in the details between reading and possibly more note-taking. It's during my study time that I start to fill in the details. If you paid attention during the lecture, you should get a good idea which parts are important and which are superfluous. My belief is that any efficient study is focusing on the important parts while trying to identify the excess. Be efficient!

And by EFFICIENT, I mean, mostly this:

Get the BIG PICTURE. If you can understand WHY something does what it does, it's easier for the other pieces to fall into place without having to memorize. I HATE memorizing. But if I see how the connections are made, it makes sense. I can follow a path.

FOCUS on the important details. I would rather get the broad questions right and miss some more obscure detail-oriented questions than focus all my time on the minutiae and miss the general questions. I've found the broad questions show up more on the test, and you'd be surprised at how much detail you can fill in just by writing or answering.


That's my strategy. Hope it helps.
 
The statement questioning the IQ level of the low GPA student is the most mature, well-thought out and accurate response. Please come to reality here. Not everyone is smart or able to do coursework. Do you want your pharmacist taking an hour to figure out a calculation on how to dose and then getting it wrong due to a simple mistake? How about your doctor need to restudy since he works so hard to learn but just does not get it?

This will most likely offend everyone on the blog but it is reality. There really are people that can study for 10 hours and never get it. Then there are those that can master the material in several hours. Just because you want to be a pharmacist and you try really hard doesn't mean you can. Life sucks but the cold truth is: high grades are a good indicator if you can cut it in pharmacy school. If you barely get 2.3 in undergrad, where would you find time to study for 20 credits graduate school in a high-demanding profession?

Bottom line: Some students have the IQ and some don't. That is not mean, it is life. Grow up. And yes, I do care about people and am very concerned a student has the IQ to dose correctly and not kill the patient.

Sorry to say, OP, but I must agree. If you are really working as hard as you say you are and STILL getting a 2.3 (and you have finished sophomore year), your chances of getting into and succeeding in pharmacy school are very small. Pharmacy school is a whole 'nother ball game compared to undergrad. The classes are much much harder, there is much more work outside of class, and my study time has - not kidding - tripled compared to undergrad. I literally study all the time during the school year. If you are serious about how hard you are trying, the only recommendation to make is to get a new career field.
 
Dude. Bloom's Taxonomy. Search on Google. This was my bread and butter for 4 years.

Another thing. My professors always advocated understanding over memorization, but I always did better when I would memorize my understanding. Just because you understand a concept Monday doesn't mean you'll remember that concept Friday. You might be making those silly mistakes cause you forget the concepts since you don't memorize them! I mean if you can pull of 10 hour study sessions you do have good studying habits. Just bad studying skills.
 
The statement questioning the IQ level of the low GPA student is the most mature, well-thought out and accurate response. Please come to reality here. Not everyone is smart or able to do coursework. Do you want your pharmacist taking an hour to figure out a calculation on how to dose and then getting it wrong due to a simple mistake? How about your doctor need to restudy since he works so hard to learn but just does not get it?

This will most likely offend everyone on the blog but it is reality. There really are people that can study for 10 hours and never get it. Then there are those that can master the material in several hours. Just because you want to be a pharmacist and you try really hard doesn't mean you can. Life sucks but the cold truth is: high grades are a good indicator if you can cut it in pharmacy school. If you barely get 2.3 in undergrad, where would you find time to study for 20 credits graduate school in a high-demanding profession?

Bottom line: Some students have the IQ and some don't. That is not mean, it is life. Grow up. And yes, I do care about people and am very concerned a student has the IQ to dose correctly and not kill the patient.


Question people's IQ is not only making them offended, but also making them not want to listen to you. So it is not a mature response, not even close to the most mature response as you said. There are a few reasons why people do not do well at the cost of spending many hours in the library. One of them is that the studying method is not proper. Another one is that the professor gives hard test, tricky, and not to the point. I had a microbiology course in which my teacher gave all the tricky tests. I studied extremely hard and still scored low. But what? I am on the top 15% in pharmacy school with research paper published, plus I am president of one of the club in my school, plus other things I don't want to mention.

So before questioning someone's IQ, let's give them some other encouraged advice. Let's us remember Einstein as good example.
 
Well maybe your natural skills and abilities are in another area. No shame in that. I am going through a career change now so this is my second time through college. The first time around I studied like crazy and still struggled to make it through an engineering program. Now that I am taking coursework in an area that is a better match, my grades are awesome. So maybe you could spend some time reflecting on your natural talents and make sure they match up with the path you are pursuing. Based on my experience, I can say life is much less stressful and much more enjoyable now that I have given up engineering.
 
I'll give you my two cent. Sometimes having higher IQ, memory, brain power are very important on the day of test. Some professors design test to measure students ability to comprehend smallest detail of topics. This alone will kill you if your weak in any of the area.

To op, have you tried taking vitamins ?... such as vinpocetine, choline tablet or Huperzine A .

Also, have you tried mastering subject elsewhere than your textbook. Example, I would use Youtube Videos, or thinkwell videos to better understand topics.

On final thought, its best to prepare for subject before attending class. This method will help you enforce material much better than sitting in class room trying to figure out the big picture. Also, stop taking 18 credits per semester if you have outside commitment.

good luck !
 
Regardless of IQ, people of all backgrounds can make high grades if they know how to study effectively.

Someone studying 10 hours for a test may not be as effective as someone studying 4 hours for the same exam, for example. You have to be able to gauge how a particular professor likes to test his/her students, and plan your studying accordingly.

In some classes profs like to base the majority of the information on lectures and handouts; in other classes, the profs may emphasize the textbook information more heavily. In the former case, it helps to record and listen to lectures multiple times to grasp concepts and facts that profs convey in class. In the latter case, it helps to read the textbook and make flash cards or simple notes. In all cases, make sure to approach your teacher if you are confused or unclear about something; this not only clears up the issue(s) but it lets your prof know that you are invested in the class.

In addition to knowing your study style that will best help you retain the information and to understand concepts, you have to learn to be a good test taker. Doing practice exams helps prepare you in this regard. Not only can this help you learn some of the material, but it helps prepare you time-wise. One simple trick is to do all of the easy problems first, and then going back to tackle the harder ones. It also helps to know the format of the test ahead of time so you can better plan your test-taking strategy during the exam.

Good luck with school. It's not easy for anyone and will be a long struggle, but hard work will pay off! Don't give up and keep trying! 🙂
 
It could be the way you study. Try writing questions and answering them yourself in a timely manner, not just read the textbook (You don't learn anything this way unless you have a photographic memory). Focus on the specific areas where your professors are headed in a particular subject (Don't study chapter 10 when you know the exam covers only chapter 6). Don't spend time studying materials that aren't on the exams. Ask your professor plenty of questions that's what they are here for. Tutoring may give you a different approach to specific problems if you don't get the material when your professor explains it; however, it's best to solve problems in multiple ways as opposed to just one.
 
Youre best changing your major. If you're struggling with pre pharm coursework, you will fail out of pharm school 1st quarter, guaranteed. And this is without having a social life? Sounds freaking awful. If you don't have a social life in pharm school, the stress will kill you.

Consider it a blessing. You'll be so thankful that you did in the end, the price of pharm schools is skyrocketing and the number of new schools opening up is going to make for a dismal job market by time you graduate. Being 200k in debt with no job would ruin your life. You want to make money? Go into finance. Don't say i didn't warn you. Any career is better to get into now than a pharmacist right now. Thank me later.
 
Here is a study tip that helped me recently. While studying for the PCAT, I realized that I had simply memorized my way through a couple sections of Gen Chem, and not even very well at that. I had absolutely zero clue what these concepts meant or how they fit with what I learned in the rest of Gen Chem, O Chem, A&P... These concepts seemed to be coming up on the PCAT practice tests I was doing at least a couple times a test. I could spit back the equations after I loaded them into my memory and knew what each value was supposed to be, but I had no idea how to manipulate them (much less quickly), and it was killing me on these problems.

So I sat down and read the material to myself, self-checking as I went along (rephrasing it to myself, asking questions, doing the in-text questions). Then I thought - how would I explain this to someone else? I made a note outline as I went with that focus in mind. After I was done with the chapter where the chem book built up the concept and derived the equations, I cornered my sympathetic boyfriend. Then I gave a mini-lecture on the concept, including the derivations, looking at my notes as little as possible. He asked thoughtful questions (just having come out of Gen Chem himself), which provoked thoughtful extensions of the original concept. It was that conversation which helped cement these concepts into my mind in context of the rest of the subject.

Also, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned - record the lectures. Try YouTube for additional related lectures about different topics if you're having trouble with a specific topic (don't just search "Gen Chem" though because you'll get someone else's class...).

Is your problem perhaps with breaking down story problems rather than with doing the science problems themselves? Can you answer the in-text "bare" calculation problems but have trouble with "small mistakes" when they bury the questions in text? If so, try grabbing a college algebra or precalc book (if you're comfortable with the math - you want something slightly mind teasing, but material you're familiar with) and talking to a math tutor. Talk to your science tutor about targeting your tutoring to develop that skill. All it is is practice - practice writing all of the data you have, all relevant formulas, etc. before you even start calculating the problem.

If the "small errors" are calculation errors, develop some tactics to check your answer. Can you plug back into the original formula? Can you reality check the number versus experience or versus a rough graph? (This helps me catch "power of ten" errors.) Does it make sense that the number is positive or negative?

It sounds like you either:
1) haven't figured out what college teachers are looking for when they teach to tests
2) haven't learned what environment and teaching style encourages your learning (pick teachers that teach to your strengths! do you like homework? or do you do well on big tests but hate busy work?)
3) haven't realized your particular talents - I enjoy O Chem than far better than Gen Chem, and A&P more than General Biology, but I understand I'm the exception to the rule. 😉 For me, it's all about engagement.. If I'm interested, I do well - if I'm not interested, it's a struggle. Boring class (like macroeconomics, for me) needs an interesting teacher or I'll hate life that semester.
4) haven't developed good study / test taking skills. It's all about practice, and college is completely different than high school.

Good luck! Hope something I said helped... 😀
 
FWIW, I also agree with Trent Steele... in theory. We still don't know specifically what the OP is taking, course-wise. Could be Physics with Calc in a meat-grinder lecture hall for all we know... I know I'd probably pull a C there too, but turn around and do great in a different setting.

If you're struggling this hard... Are you truly happy? It does sound terrible to me - no life, married to the library. What keeps you going about this profession, and is there a different profession more akin to your skills that might fulfill that desire? A swallow is great at flying, but not so good at the swimming.
 
The clear answer has already been given: pharmacy is not for you. If you are studying your ass off and pull a 2.3 in undergrad, you aren't even going to be looked at for pharmacy school. You will have a hard time finding one admissions committee that will even give your application a glance.

I've said it many times, pharmacy is not for everyone. If those of us who are realists are labeled as jerks then so be it. There is way too much coddling on this board. Someone with a 2.3 is not going to get any words of encouragement from me. Your chances are slim to none, sorry to say. People on here scream that the profession doesnt get the credibility it deserves and this is why; people with a 2.3 somehow getting into our profession. If that application were to go to a med school it would go straight into the garbage.
 
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