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Hi everyone! First of all let me say thanks to all of you for the useful info on almost every topic of DAT.
I took my DAT on Sunday and here are my scores.

PAT: 20
QR: 17
RC: 16 🙂mad🙂
BIO: 21
GC: 20
OC: 20
I was planing on going to Stony Brook since I live in LI, however I'm not sure these scores will get me in. The rest of my application is good. My science GPA is 3.91 and overall 3.97. I am also in honors program. Shadowed a dentist, volunteered at the hospital, some work for charity. Applied early.

If you guys can comment and tell me what you think it would be really helpful. Maybe I should retake....That Reading comprehension just through me off my track.
Thanks to everyone who will take their time on making their suggestions.
 
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Start by calling the admissions office at Stony Brook to see if they have a cutoff, and what they would recommend you to do. Your Sciences are solid. If you don't mind me asking what was your Academic Average?
 
Start by calling the admissions office at Stony Brook to see if they have a cutoff, and what they would recommend you to do. Your Sciences are solid. If you don't mind me asking what was your Academic Average?
No, not at all. It was 19.
 
great scores!

I heard that the stony brook does not have cutoff for the grades. So, I think you'll be fine!

and what materials did you use to study? and how long?
 
Judging by your credentials... Id say you are fine. Seems like you have a decent shot. After all it is only ONE section. Anyways, what was so difficult about the RC. I have my exam in a couple of weeks and I am freaking out about the RC. Also, what method did you use? Search and Destroy?
 
Ok, here is my breakdown.

I will start with bio since its one of the sections I dedicated most of my time to. I used AP bio from Barrons, this book is AMAZING! IT is easy to read, not boring at all so u actually remember the stuff u've read. I started studying on June 2nd, that's when my school was over, after that it was everyday 6-8 hours of studying. I didn't really have days off, on the weekends I would study from 10 to about 7-8, with small breaks in between for lunch and stuff. And than on Saturday I would go out for a couple of hours to get my head "refreshed".
So first I have read the books I bought before I went on with questions. For general chem I also used AP chem from barons and also loved it. I took one week to go over those two books, while studying orgo from Kaplan BB, I think that book is enough to do well. O by the way, I haven't taken Orgo II yet so I read my text book chapters as well, preaty much I learned all orgo II on my own. Since I like orgo I wasn't worrying about it that much.

So after I have read all this stuff once I went on to questions. I used Destroyer, and let me tell u it is very helpfull. Dont expect to get the same type of questions (first of all the actual exam is much easier) but try to learn the logic behind every question if you do that you will get your confidence. I did Destroyer 2 times, and then third time one week before the exam just to stay sharp ( especially orgo). Bio from destroyer is also good but again don't expect to get that type of questions on the actual thing, just read the explanations again and again. Honestly I almost knew it by heart, I would start reading the question and I already knew the answer choices and the right answer and the explanation.

After I did the destroyer once I went back to books and read them once again. than back to dastroyer/practice tests. Than the same thing again. I really made sure I remembered everything, I hate it when I can't answer the question simply because i forgot one piece of information.

Now Math, I should tell that I am very good at math I went to Math and Science School back home, so I always do my calculations in head that's how they thought us there, including percents, multiplications, divisions ext. I honestly thought the math was easy however I must have done some stupid mistakes since my score is not that high at all. I used Math Destroyer, let me tell you that the math I got on my test was easier than the destroyer, I would recommend that book, it also has very good and easy to understand explanations. Overall I am very satisfied with it even though I didn't get the score I wanted to. I was scoring 20's in Destroyer. know your trigs, percents, ext. Practice word problems which Math destroyer has enough of.


PAT, this section worried me the most. I didn't used any trick for this section, like line counting and stuff like that I simply didn't know how to use tham, so I tried to do this stuff in my head. At first it was rough, i wasn't getting good scores on CDP something like, 18, 16, 17, 18, 20. As you can see the more I precticed the better I got at it and it worked for me. 20 on the real thing was setisfying for me. By the way the actual thing is easier than CDP, but there were some crazy figures too.


Reading Comprehension was one of the sections I didn't study for but just practiced, I don't really think you can actually study for it. I picked my strategy which was search and destroy andit worked fine on my practice tests. I used TopS. and Achiever and was getting 19 and 20, and was thinking that if I could get these scores on the real thing thing that would be fine with me. I don't know what happened there, but the type of questions were different from practice I did. Some of them were strait out of text others you had to know the information in the text to be able to sort off predict what would happen if this was'n like that, something along those line. It took time. A lot of it. Simply because i wasn't ready for that sot of thing. On my last passage the last 5 or 6 questions I just put strait "b" since I didn't have time left to find the answer. Honestly I almost cried after that section, I knew I messed it up.

As far as actual test goes I wouldn't say it was hard. The only thing that was for me was reading. If you did well in your undergrad classes you will be fine. For bio it was random, I got one question on classification, which I probably knew by heart since I never learned it before in school, my professor just didn't cover it. No questions on Ecology for me which I also studied since I knew there are always questions on that, apparently not. Than some physiology, like bone structure. Embryology 1 question. pretty strait forward nothing to complicated. Only one question I had to guess on, some weird term I have't heard. And that a couple of question like WTF, but if you take time and THINK on those question you will see that they are asking a strait forward question but in a different way, so don't panic just put all the pieces of information they give you and make an educated decision/guess. I'm preaty sure that will be good.

General chem was easy. Know the theory. Calculations are basic, they even give you the molar mass, to save time and have the set up, you just pick the one that would give the right answer, no need to calculate.

Orgo wasn't that bad either. Again I only took orgo I and studied second on my own, so if you already took both, than it will be a breeze but only if actually studied it. Know Sn1, Sn2, those are important, nothing detailed but but still make sure you understand. Basic reactions of functional groups, aromaticity ext.

So that's about it. I hope it helped you guys. Just know that DAT is not that hard but there is a lot of info to retain in your brain so I would say repetition of material is the key.

Good luck to you all. And I'm sure you will do well.

If any other question that I didn't address be free to ask, I'm here to help and to learn as everyone else.
 
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Anyone in the house who had similar situation ( I know it is almost impossible but asking won't hurt), and got interviews?
Please:scared:
I also applied to NYU and UMDNJ, so not to many options for me, only 3 schools!!!
 
Hi everyone! First of all let me say thanks to all of you for the useful info on almost every topic of DAT.
I took my DAT on Sunday and here are my scores.

PAT: 20
QR: 17
RC: 16 🙂mad🙂
BIO: 21
GC: 20
OC: 20
I was planing on going to Stony Brook since I live in LI, however I'm not sure these scores will get me in. The rest of my application is good. My science GPA is 3.91 and overall 3.97. I am also in honors program. Shadowed a dentist, volunteered at the hospital, some work for charity. Applied early.

If you guys can comment and tell me what you think it would be really helpful. Maybe I should retake....That Reading comprehension just through me off my track.
Thanks to everyone who will take their time on making their suggestions.


Is "need you advice" not "advise"

Work on your English dude
 
Is "need you advice" not "advise"

Work on your English dude
....That Reading comprehension just through me off my track.


your own words , pal, you are the one who should get a life


Just what I was saying, you have a big problem when it comes to language skills, so spare me that crap about learning in your 5 years of education more than I learned in my entire life
http://206.82.221.137/showthread.php?p=8403998

I wish I could explain the feelings i went through when I saw my scores on the scree, but there are no no words to describe it.
First of all I want to say thank you to those who took their time to answer some of the questions I posted here, your help guys does make a difference, and I appreciate it a lot.
I studied very hard and all I can say now is that the hard work does pay off, you just have to keep going.

So here it is:

PAT 20
QR 19
RC 25
BIO 21
GC 30
OC 26

TS 25 (99.6%)
AA 24 (99.4%)

I will be writting a breakdown some time tomorrow, so if you guys have any questions just post it here.
Now I'm going to catch some slleep!!!

AS I promised I would post the breakdown, so here it is.
First I will list the materials used and their respective effectiveness.

1. Destroyer- I can tell you that this study guide is the best thing on the market at this point for the DAT.

2. Math Destroyer- I was shocked how similar the actual test was, get it and make sure you understand how to do every single type of problems. I had logs on my exam, and if not for the destroyer I would have probably never even looked into that.

3. AP Bio Barron's, AP bio cliffs, DAT to go BIO, Campbell(for references only)- I think bio is something that's very hard to prepare for, the subject is just so broad...My best advice would be to take the A&P, and embryology, besides taking the bio 1 and 2.

4. Achiever- it was a good practice in general. But not at all reflective, my AA on Achiever was 19-20.

5. ACS OChem and Gchem- both of these are good for practice, and the more you practice the better.

6. My text books from college for ochem, A&P, and precalc mainly for trigs.

7. KBB- I didn't use it a lot, I looked over gChem section in the beginning and that was it.

8. CDP 5 test version- I highly recommend it. It was worth all the money.

9. Godfrey reading tests- they are killers, I couldn't even finish one test on time those passages are 27 paragraphs long(some of them, like 1 in every test, the other two are 20-22). I was getting 17.

I think this is it.

Now about my study habits.

Just to let everyone know I think your character plays an important role when it comes to dedicating yourself to something, and giving it your best is the key.
I am the type of person who wouldn't go to sleep if let's say there was something I had to do and didn't finish. Discipline is everything. What's the use of all those study guides if you can't get yourself to learn from them?

I learned to prioritize things. I think it also played a huge role especially when taking a full time class schedule. When and what to study was an everyday decision I had to make.

I would come home from school, eat, take a bath just to relax, or maybe go to break.com to watch some stupid/funny videos, and then go back to studying. You HAVE TO take some time to relax otherwise you can easily have a mental breakdown, it's a lot of stress and pressure, learn how to deal with it and be optimistic.

Now the test day:

The night before I only got about 4 hours of sleep, my test was for 10 A.M. In my opinion this is the best time, since it's neither early nor late just perfect. I had a cup of coffee, with some sandwich, since I stayed that night at my parents house my mom made me a nice breakfast. Thank you Mom!!!
Usually I never eat in the morning.

I got to the test center a bit earlier around 9:20. Set in my car and reviewed some of the questions I got wrong on the Achiever. My advice to everyone would be to make a note of thing in some notebook that you got wrong in the course of your studies, just so you never make them again. Review these notes once in a while so that it stays in your head. For example, there was one question in bio I had no clue about, I would write the question and then the answer choices with the correct answer and then some explanation which I could refer to and know right the way what I meant by it. You might think it's too much but I believe that's why I got 24AA.

How to work with Destroyer????

DO not DO NOT use it as practice tests, you will get absolutely nothing out of it. Do every single problem, take your time with it, learn different approaches if possible, and don't just rely on the explanations in the back. I did read all the explanations but I would also google, or look in the book for everything I wasn't sure of. For example in the Destroyer you have a problem in general chem where it asks you molecular geometry. in the back it has that molecule drawn and it's Lewis structure. Don't stop there. google and see why it's trigonal planar, octahedral or linear. What those lone pair of electrons do? And why? Again make a note, if something is not clear ask a question here. There are many smart kids on this forum who will help you. After going through Destroyer once in this manner you will see that once you finish it you will be in excellent shape. I went through it about 4 times. The last two day before the test I went over sciences again. I did half of it day one and half of it day two. it really sharpened my mind right for the test.

Now about the test itself.

After doing all this studying it was easy. Bio was somewhat random as everyone says but not too bad.

Gchem was also easy, but all of my questions were calculations except for two questions, so be ready. Nothing too hard, once again destroyer will prepare you so don't be afraid it's not that bad, but be careful not to make some stupid mistakes since it's math.

OChem was very basic except for two questions in one of them you had to use analytical thinking in the other it was just a fact which you either know or don't know. Know the main reactions like, witting, aldol, williamson ext.

PAT was ok. Not to hard but not too easy either. I saw some hole punches I had never seen before but you can figure it out, just take a couple of seconds to think about it. Angles were easier than CDP. cube counting was also easy.

Math was NOT easy. I mean it's not hard but with the amount of time they give us it puts lots of pressure, since every problem was like a paragraph to read, speed is the key so practice a lot!!!

Reading was not bad. I had DNA microarray, calcium channels and language.
I strongly advise reading the passage. Read the first question than go read the passage. If you see that you read 4 paragraphs and still don't have an answer guess, mark and go to the next one and so on. This way you do two things at once, reading the passage and answering the questions. I believe this is the best strategy and trust me I'm not a fast reader at all. I came to this country six years ago so if I did it most of you will do it too.

My last advice would be to bring earplugs. They helped me to concentrate on the test and I wasn't distracted by any of the random sounds or typing. It really helped, for the reading especially.

I'm sorry if there were some spelling mistakes, and I hope all this that I wrote makes sense.

The high grade doesn't come easy, as you can see I put lots of work into this. Be optimistic, understand that you do it for yourself and not for someone else. Do whatever it takes but don't over stress.

Lastly I want to say thank you to those around here who help many students all the time. I was never discouraged by the high scores I saw. If anything I was even more motivated.

Good luck to all of you who are on their way to DS. 12 more days guys, 12 more days!!!!!

P.S. Anyone has a Stony Brook interview on 30th? Would like to meet some fellows SDNers.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=680126&highlight=DAT+done

Now go ahead and check my spelling lol.

Anyways, I wish you all the best
 
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