Has anyone heard about the new dental school opening in 2012?
new dental school opening?
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I know of one, LECOM (Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine School of Dentistry). Its located at their branch campus in Bradenton, Florida.
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Awesome! We really need more dental schools. More sorry suckers that will pay the astronomical tuition price (who couldn't get into state schools), continue to saturate metros and fail to decrease the access to care (I really mean costs and priority) issue.
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actually, the issue is that they can't get into their respective state schools - hence, this becomes a supply-and-demand issue. there will always be a pool of applicants who are struggling to get in who would gladly take up a spot in a new school with a arguably a low to non-existant application criteria for the debut class.
****this is not meant to incite any anymosity against people who attend these newly brandished schools, just sweeping generalizations on my part.
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I believe this is a strategy by ADA or whatever it is to combat mid level providers.
I rather have 10 more dental schools open; then to have each state open their own mid-level provider. This way we can shut their only strength that they got "Shortage of dentists" sure there would be competition b/w us.
But its better than competing at the low costs of mid level dental hygienists competing for our business.
I rather have 10 more dental schools open; then to have each state open their own mid-level provider. This way we can shut their only strength that they got "Shortage of dentists" sure there would be competition b/w us.
But its better than competing at the low costs of mid level dental hygienists competing for our business.
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That's what I meant. Thank you for the correct.
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Really? Why would you want more people cutting crowns?
What if the government would put better incentives to provide services in these rural areas? Instead of dumping millions into these programs and new schools. The people who will suffer are the ones with 400k in debt. Then they will refuse to leave the metro. Look at the graduating seniors. There are many schools that have 20-40 students without jobs now. Predents applying do not see this issue because they typically shadow establish dentists.
Although not the most accurate source, look at different locations and practice ratios: http://www.aftco.net/Dental-Transitions-Resources/Dentistics.aspx
You'd like at least 1:1500 to have a shot in hell. 1:2000 is nice, but optimal is a lot more 1:3-4000.
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Shoot, I need to hurry up and get in and out of dental school. My zip code has a ratio of 1:4500
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Qualified applicants will get into dental school. Don't worry. If you put in the time and effort, you will get in. If everyone who wanted to be a doctor, dentist, etc could be, then finding a job would be super tough because there would be so many doctors out there. It's tough, but not everyone that wants to be a dentist can do so.
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The could be is turning into a will be. Come to Midwestern Chicago and pay almost 450k + interest to become a dentist. You saw how much cash your dentist rakes in! Now factor in that seniors around dental schools are having serious issues getting jobs. This is just my experience with a hand full of schools around the US. And if they're getting jobs, they pay crap. Some places, what's left, will give you 70k
. Try tapping into the loans on that!I feel bad for anybody that will go to LECOM for dental school. I've seen the Brandenton campus accept practically anybody for their DO and PharmD programs. I wonder what they're going to do about their clinic situation. Maybe have satelite clinics because that school is in the middle of NOWHERE.
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I think the ADA's preferred way of fighting mid-level providers is by expanding dental hygienists' duties. But you are probably right that the ADA is boosting the numbers of dentists in part to combat shortage of dentists claims. Looking at historical numbers of dental school graduates, graduation % compared to population really isn't too concerning yet. The peak number of dental graduates was in 1982 at ~5550. This was pruned down to 3500 in the 90's, and we're back up to ~4800 now. Given that the population has increased almost 25% since then, and that the years 1975-1985 produced an unusually large number of dentists who will be looking to retire in the upcoming years, the population can probably handle some more dentists graduating. I am pretty confident the ADA won't ruin us.
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Mine has a 1:9,105 ratio according to that site. I'm pretty sure it's not accurate...
I agree with your assessment. I plan to apply to new schools in case I cannot get into my state school.
Though, I'm sure I would do just fine IN my state school even if I didnt get in. That's why this whole argument seems odd. We argue over an artificial barrier yet ignore the real issue - people who do not get into a school can be very successful at another less competitive school. It's not as if dental schools are washing out 50% of their students because the curriculum is difficult. Most people who complete the prereqs with okay grades CAN become a dentist.
If an applicant has to rely on artificial market barriers to be successful, even though they got into a highly competitive state school, that admission didnt mean much did it?
Though, I'm sure I would do just fine IN my state school even if I didnt get in. That's why this whole argument seems odd. We argue over an artificial barrier yet ignore the real issue - people who do not get into a school can be very successful at another less competitive school. It's not as if dental schools are washing out 50% of their students because the curriculum is difficult. Most people who complete the prereqs with okay grades CAN become a dentist.
If an applicant has to rely on artificial market barriers to be successful, even though they got into a highly competitive state school, that admission didnt mean much did it?
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I'm sure there are some people who would be great medical doctors that can't gain acceptance to their respective school. However, poor stats give no promise that a person is driven enough to complete their training. Again, people shouldn't be able to cakewalk into schools just because they "really, really want" to be a doctor. At the end of the day, people need to show their determination by not slacking off during their schooling.
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San Diego shows 1 GP per 2000 people. Major metropolitan area, yet it doesn't sound like it is terribly saturated. Do you know why this source is not totally accurate?
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the issue is not about an individual's ability to successfully complete dental school. though dental school is definitely difficult, most well-adjusted people will be able to complete the cirriculum. the problem is that there are too many people completing it, regardless of arbitrary bars that are placed for entrance requirements. can anyone complete dental school? yes. should everyone who wants to be able to get in? no.
the market is saturated, and the wave of dental schools that keep opening is rapidly diminishing a once-lucrative career option.
btw, someone mentioned above the midlevels will provide cheaper service. this is FALSE. the overhead and remimurbsement will be no different if you are an ADHP or a full-fledged dentist.
Not true.. These new schools are federally funded and will have requirements to take most if not all of their students from instate... Look at East Carolina University.
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Where is this so called institution in New England?
At the University of New England in Portland, Maine.
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I believe his point is that these schools are going to be easier to get into than the other dental schools, not that they would get a lot of out of state students.
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Do you think it would really be that bad? Sorry I'm from Florida so I was excited about another in state school opening up, but if that's the case then, maybe it's not so exciting lol
Although it is an in state school, it is still a private school and will not give priority to in state applicants... All in all it will be easier to get into a new (opening) school such as LECOM. Don't get me wrong.. I'm applying the first time this cycle and seeing that the LECOM will be starting in 2012.. I will be applying there on top of others for "back-up" schools in case I don't get in to my state school...
But being from where i'm from, dentists are few and far in between... No saturated areas around here 🙂
My cousin goes to the LECOM DO school. I also have a handful of friends that go to Pharm school. I live in St. Pete, so visiting my cousin is like a 30 minute drive but when I went there was literally nothing around. With DO and PharmD, when they have to start doing rotations, they can just out source them out to various hospitals around the state. You can't really do that for dentistry since you need clinicians around so unless they have the clinics at a different part of the state, WHERE are you going to get your patients?
Maybe I'm just completely wrong and there might be an untapped source of patients there... However, lets say it was the ONLY school I got into, then yes I would go. It'd be very last on my list though. Lower than USC and NYU.
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Would you rather have 10 private d-school which generate about 100 or so students or publicly funded hygienists school which would generate about 5000 students per year, where they can start practicing in the rural areas. But if you were to have the right saturation amount then everyone would be happy. Do you think mid-level providers are going to go to school just to do the basic stuff, guess what after a while they will have some sort of specialty that they can do to cut crowns.
anyways I am not worried about something I cannot control. And on here most people freak out for no apparent reason.
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I have also heard rumors of University of Utah and A.T. Still - Missouri opening up dental schools. I think this is more like 2013 though. Anyone hear any news on this?
Also for those that don't know... ASDOH is actually run by A.T. Still. I heard the news when i was at an open house at ASDOH, they said they got approval for one at their Missouri campus.
Also for those that don't know... ASDOH is actually run by A.T. Still. I heard the news when i was at an open house at ASDOH, they said they got approval for one at their Missouri campus.
Thats interesting.. I didn't know that.. It will be interesting on how dental schools grow... There is a need for dentists and medical doctors.. More schools producing more students is going to happen anyway you look at it.. The population is going to continue to grow, medicine is going to continue to develope, people will live longer....
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True but Florida is huge man it is the fourth most populous and it only has two, well three. I think it's fitting.
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ATSU is opening a school in Kirksville, Missouri. From what the dean told us, the first two years will be on campus, and the last two years will be spent on rotation at community health centers. Apparently the community health centers are going to have chairs added strictly for the dental students. Kirksville is so excited about having a dental school there that the community has already raised 500k for it. The majority of the students that go their will predominantly be from the Midwest, as the school is trying to service the shortage areas there.
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Not all states have a state school necessarily....
Oh, I thought for some reason if the state didn't have a state school physically in their state that another nearby school acted as it tuition-wise. Sort of like how in UG if your state school didn't offer a certain program you could go to neighboring schools that had it for in-state tuition.
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I will go ANYWHERE for a US accredited dental school.
The dental field is not anywhere near being saturated, even with all of these new schools opening. There is a huge growing population, lots of senior citizens, people living longer, a crap load of dentists retiring, and a need to battle mid-level providers. There is clearly TOO MANY good reasons in support of opening more dental schools.
I do agree that there are certain regions in the US that are saturated, but thats the dentist's fault. They should get up and move somewhere that has a need for their services if they are not successful in saturated areas. But dont try and use the excuse that there are too many dentists being graduated because that is far from the truth.
And if your excuse is that more dentists equates to a bite out of your inflated 500,000/year income expectation, then, that my friend, is called greed, a quality I would hope dental admission would weed out of the applicant pool.
The dental field is not anywhere near being saturated, even with all of these new schools opening. There is a huge growing population, lots of senior citizens, people living longer, a crap load of dentists retiring, and a need to battle mid-level providers. There is clearly TOO MANY good reasons in support of opening more dental schools.
I do agree that there are certain regions in the US that are saturated, but thats the dentist's fault. They should get up and move somewhere that has a need for their services if they are not successful in saturated areas. But dont try and use the excuse that there are too many dentists being graduated because that is far from the truth.
And if your excuse is that more dentists equates to a bite out of your inflated 500,000/year income expectation, then, that my friend, is called greed, a quality I would hope dental admission would weed out of the applicant pool.
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Thanks for the info and clarification. It sounds like it will be run just like ASDOH's 3-4 year rotations. Will the clinics be predominantly in the midwest or all over the US like ASDOH?
Do you know if they will have the modular system and have the MPH option as well?
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i gently encourage you to investigate and subsequently reconsider these statements as they are largely inaccurate.
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Good post, but how is a need to battle MLPs a good point that fits with the rest of the items on that list?
As a life-long Florida resident and one who will be here for my career, I can say that I am not too happy with LECOM opening. The biggest problem is that a lot of OOS grads want to come to Florida because of no state income tax and Florida being a pretty sweet state in general.
Florida does not need another dental school. The competition on the coasts is ridiculous and most likely people won't move to places that actually need more dentists. Also comparing LECOM to ECU is ridiculous, as ECU is for NC residents ONLY and is a state school designed to bring more people to rural regions of NC. LECOM is going to be a PRIVATE school that picks up the UF/Nova leftovers and OOS'ers willing to pay $400g's just to stay/come to FL to get the hell out of wherever they're from.
Florida does not need another dental school. The competition on the coasts is ridiculous and most likely people won't move to places that actually need more dentists. Also comparing LECOM to ECU is ridiculous, as ECU is for NC residents ONLY and is a state school designed to bring more people to rural regions of NC. LECOM is going to be a PRIVATE school that picks up the UF/Nova leftovers and OOS'ers willing to pay $400g's just to stay/come to FL to get the hell out of wherever they're from.
the OOS "leftovers" will attend lecom to become a dentist - not to get the hell out of wherever they're from.
By the content of this thread it seems accurate to say that most predents believe that there is a major bubble and in the free market (without proping up wages by limiting supply) dentists are not worth their current rate.
This thread has the same entitlement of a public union.
Predents: We need to stop opening schools up.
Joe public: Why?
Predents: So we can continue to charge the highest rates possible for our work
Joe public: ....
By the content of this thread it seems accurate to say that most predents believe that there is a major bubble and in the free market (without proping up wages by limiting supply) dentists are not worth their current rate.
This thread has the same entitlement of a public union.
Predents: We need to stop opening schools up.
Joe public: Why?
Predents: So we can continue to charge the highest rates possible for our work
Joe public: ....
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Both schools plan to open by 2012. The UNE class will take about 40 people and LECOM will take 100 people:
http://www.pressherald.com/business...-should-benefit-care-in-maine_2010-03-04.html
It's interesting, since UNE will have its first class that the 3rd and 4th year experience will be in teaching clinics and doing rotations around the state. This might be an interesting way to learn as opposed to an established dental school having a patient pool.
http://lecom.edu/school-dental-medicine.php
LECOM doesn't seem like anything special to me....
http://www.pressherald.com/business...-should-benefit-care-in-maine_2010-03-04.html
It's interesting, since UNE will have its first class that the 3rd and 4th year experience will be in teaching clinics and doing rotations around the state. This might be an interesting way to learn as opposed to an established dental school having a patient pool.
http://lecom.edu/school-dental-medicine.php
LECOM doesn't seem like anything special to me....
