New DO School in San Antonio????

[rafman]

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http://www.woai.com/articles/woai-l...animously-approves-downtown-medical-11727733/


What do y'all think? Also, does this school have COCA accreditation yet?

 

[LaughingMan]

A first class of 500? What the heck?

 

[rafman]

Yea, sorry, they meant 125 for the entering class. This seems a little sketchy, COCA hasn't said anything about it and they haven't mentioned which hospitals they will be affiliated with. Also Texas has a common app, TMDSAS, I wonder if this will be a part of it.

 

[TriagePreMed]

Any school is pretty much good news ever since Liberty University.

Marian is Catholic. Now this school. Don't be surprised if there's a Catholic explosion of Osteopathic Schools. Even if you may think I'm overreaching, you probably know how many private schools catholics have been opening throughout the last few years.

 

[NurWollen]

Sounds like this might be a good school. How full of med students is San Antonio? I know UTHSCSA is there, but are there a lot of students from other parts of the state rotating there?

I do have to say, once a again, a new school in a state with several med ah oils and even another DO school.

Why not one of the several states that have NO med school?

 

[costales]

TMDSAS covers only state schools, so this new school would not be a member of TMDSAS (unlike TCOM). Texas does have a serious primary care shortage, and San Antonio is a large city with plenty of opportunities for rotations. Incidentally, there are two huge health systems in Texas which were founded by Catholic nuns: CHRISTUS Health and Seton Healthcare.

 

[Skeeks]

Sounds like this might be a good school. How full of med students is San Antonio? I know UTHSCSA is there, but are there a lot of students from other parts of the state rotating there?

I do have to say, once a again, a new school in a state with several med ah oils and even another DO school.

Why not one of the several states that have NO med school?

I want to know this too. I think it's silly that DO schools dont open up in Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, or Montana. They are right up the rural primary care alley.

 

[NurWollen]

I want to know this too. I think it's silly that DO schools dont open up in Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, or Montana. They are right up the rural primary care alley.

Yes, exactly. Idaho I believe is the most populous state without a med school.

 

[NurWollen]

TMDSAS covers only state schools, so this new school would not be a member of TMDSAS (unlike TCOM). Texas does have a serious primary care shortage, and San Antonio is a large city with plenty of opportunities for rotations. Incidentally, there are two huge health systems in Texas which were founded by Catholic nuns: CHRISTUS Health and Seton Healthcare.

Well, that's good at least.

 

[coolingglasses]

I want to know this too. I think it's silly that DO schools dont open up in Idaho, Wyoming, Alaska, or Montana. They are right up the rural primary care alley.

I think students in those states benefit from WICHE, which (I think) gives those students an advantage when applying to medical schools in those member states compared to other OOSers.

Still, there should be at least one or two more schools out there.

 

[coolingglasses]

And for some reason, I thought Baylor was part of TMDSAS but I guess not.

 

[Temperature101]

What year is their inaugural class?

 

[darklabel]

Yes, they have been in Applicant stage for a while now

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...eges-of-osteopathic-medicine-and-campuses.pdf

Quite a few schools have also been added since then. At this rate there's going to be a large influx of DO grads in the future.

 

[Temperature101]

What that will do for DO average stats with 15 more schools in the next few years?

 

[TriagePreMed]

What that will do for DO average stats with 15 more schools in the next few years?

I don't think we have 15 schools planned, but the same worry happened with Marian opening up and they ended up with a 26 MCAT average. The stats are simply going to keep going up as Osteopathic Medicine is better known and keeps syphoning the good students from the Caribbean. I think it's more likely to hit the residency limit at this point than the availability of students with a decent GPA/MCAT for DO programs.

 

[binderring]

What that will do for DO average stats with 15 more schools in the next few years?

I would imagine a continuing increase in GPA/MCAT. The average MCAT for the incoming class of 2011 was 26.51, and for 2012 was 26.85. Given a couple of more years I wouldn't be surprise to see that number approach 28/29 (assuming they don't change the MCAT)

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I would imagine a continuing increase in GPA/MCAT. The average MCAT for the incoming class of 2011 was 26.51, and for 2012 was 26.85. Given a couple of more years I wouldn't be surprise to see that number approach 28/29 (assuming they don't change the MCAT)

They're changing it in 15. This not to mention that we will eventually reach a maxima and see a decrease in both applicant competitiveness and volume. ( probably when the economy gets better)

 

[Postictal Raiden]

What that will do for DO average stats with 15 more schools in the next few years?

The current list shows 12 planned schools, not 15. Assuming each starts with a class size of 150 and that other existing DO schools don't increase their class size, 1800 additional DO students will matriculate within the next few years.

This is only sustainable if residencies stop accepting IMG's and FMG's. Over the past few decades, more than one third of our residency spots were filled by foreign grads. There weren't enough US medical schools to supply the demand. Lately, with the expansion of DO & MD programs throughout the US, our dependence on foreign grads has dropped significantly. I believe this trend will continue, and DO's will take the place that FMG's and Carib grads have occupied for years. However, some of the brightest FMG's will still be able to find luck in securing residency positions.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Take a look at the 2013 residency match data. Over 6300 spots went to IMG's and FMG's, while only ~2500 went to DO's. That's a 1:2.5 ratio. However, in 1994 the matched DO's to IMG's and FMG's was approximately 1:8. Only 410 spots went to DO's while 3164 residency positions were filled by IMG's and FMG's.

http://www.nrmp.org/match-data/main-residency-match-data/

 

[MackandBlues]

Incarnate Word is private so I don't think it will go on the Texas common app. San Antonio is the nation's 7th largest city in the country by population. Anyways I'm worried the physican profession will end up the way of the pharmacy professon with tons of schools opening up and now alot of new grads aren't finding jobs. And there used to be a large pharmacist shortage.

 

[cliquesh]

This is only sustainable if residencies stop accepting IMG's and FMG's. Over the past few decades, more than one third of our residency spots were filled by foreign grads. There weren't enough US medical schools to supply the demand. Lately, with the expansion of DO & MD programs throughout the US, our dependence on foreign grads has dropped significantly. I believe this trend will continue, and DO's will take the place that FMG's and Carib grads have occupied for years. However, some of the brightest FMG's will still be able to find luck in securing residency positions.

I had a lecture last year about how those entering med school in 2016 (class of 2020) will be the first class where there will be more US grads (DOs plus MDs) than Acgme residency spots. This data was based on current schools and did not consider new schools, like the ones you are discussing.

Additionally, my hospital, which is currently doing well financially, is downsizing it's staff and benefits in anticipation to huge losses in the near future due to the affordable care act.

So I don't think it's the best time to be a med student.

 

[NontradCA]

I had a lecture last year about how those entering med school in 2016 (class of 2020) will be the first class where there will be more US grads (DOs plus MDs) than Acgme residency spots. This data was based on current schools and did not consider new schools, like the ones you are discussing.

Well is that number grads pursuing ACGME? Because if it's not then that's thousands of less students who would be going to AOA residencies.

 

[cliquesh]

Well is that number grads pursuing ACGME? Because if it's not then that's thousands of less students who would be going to AOA residencies.

The data assumed every US grad (DOs and MDs) wanted an Acgme residency. The presenters did not consider AOA residencies at all. If you include AOA residencies, then it will probably provide a few more years before "the crunch" happens.

 

[NontradCA]

The data assumed every US grad (DOs and MDs) wanted an Acgme residency. The presenters did not consider AOA residencies at all. If you include AOA residencies, then it will probably provide a few more years before "the crunch" happens.

Makes sense, thank you. I tend to think that there'd be an AOA crunch before an ACGME one, with the ACGME phasing out DOs until the AOA gives in.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

I had a lecture last year about how those entering med school in 2016 (class of 2020) will be the first class where there will be more US grads (DOs plus MDs) than Acgme residency spots. This data was based on current schools and did not consider new schools, like the ones you are discussing.

Additionally, my hospital, which is currently doing well financially, is downsizing it's staff and benefits in anticipation to huge losses in the near future due to the affordable care act.

So I don't think it's the best time to be a med student.

Yes, very soon the number of US medical grads will exceed the available residency spot. This is going to be a big issue for those with large debts and no residency match. However, I prefer this situation over expanding the number of residency positions. Despite all of the talk regarding "physician shortage", I don't think there is a shortage at all. In fact, we may have a surplus, especially if you factor in the forces exerted on the market by non-physician healthcare providers.

I came across an article that showed that the number of practicing physicians in the US during the year 1970 was ~330K. The US population was ~210 million. In few years, the number of practicing physicians in the US will reach 900K, nearly triple the number that we had in 1970. However, the population will have increased by only 70%. All that and we are not factoring in the workforce of NP's, PA's and CRNA's.

 

[user3]

Yes, very soon the number of US medical grads will exceed the available residency spot. This is going to be a big issue for those with large debts and no residency match. However, I prefer this situation over expanding the number of residency positions. Despite all of the talk regarding "physician shortage", I don't think there is a shortage at all. In fact, we may have a surplus, especially if you factor in the forces exerted on the market by non-physician healthcare providers.

I came across an article that showed that the number of practicing physicians in the US during the year 1970 was ~330K. The US population was ~210 million. In few years, the number of practicing physicians in the US will reach 900K, nearly triple the number that we had in 1970. However, the population will have increased by only 70%. All that and we are not factoring in the workforce of NP's, PA's and CRNA's.

Due to availability of federal student loans, and the ease of filling seats, opening professional schools is practically a zero risk venture with guaranteed profit. This makes it very difficult to slow the opening of new schools.

 

[DrEnderW]

I would argue that Americans in general are substantially less healthy than they were in decades past. This increases the need for physicians in general with an emphasis on PCPs. This has to be factored in any comparison from previous generations. Additionally, there is also an aging US pop from the baby boomer era compounding unhealthy lifestyles.

 

[sazerac]

San Antonio would probably appreciate having a medical school that wasn't on probation.

http://www.lcme.org/directory.html

 

[costales]

San Antonio would probably appreciate having a medical school that wasn't on probation.

http://www.lcme.org/directory.html

UT San Antonio is not on probation anymore. They regained full status earlier this month.

 

[wjs010]

When does this school plan to start?

 

[touchpause13]

San Antonio would probably appreciate having a medical school that wasn't on probation.

http://www.lcme.org/directory.html

How does a med school get on probation?

 

[costales]

How does a med school get on probation?

For UT San Antonio: Too much lecture and not enough problem solving in 1st and 2nd year, med school had no formal authority over basic science faculty who taught med students, poor curriculum and clerkship management.