New DO school planned for Wisconsin

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A new medical school in Wausau would open in 2013, admit up to 150 students a year and reduce Wisconsin's looming doctor shortage, according to organizers of the plan announced Wednesday. The Wisconsin College of Osteopathic Medicine, likely to be built next to Aspirus Wausau Hospital, would be the state's third medical school...

 

[user3]

😡

here we go again. as if the three already opening that year aren't enough. this is getting ridiculous.

 

[Iliketoytles]

Will it be made of cheese?

Will the interviewers be cheesy?

Will the application require a cheese taste test?

Get it... cause Wisconsin is the cheese state.

 

[FutureDrB]

Will it be made of cheese?

Will the interviewers be cheesy?

Will the application require a cheese taste test?

Get it... cause Wisconsin is the cheese state.

That was pretty cheesy.

 

[costales]

Get it... cause Wisconsin is the cheese state.

Hey, I like Wisconsin.

 

[donkeykong1]

😡

here we go again. as if the three already opening that year aren't enough. this is getting ridiculous.

The article says "But Dr. Robert Golden, dean of the UW medical school, said it would be cost-prohibitive for the new school to set up enough residency programs for the additional training required after medical school.
Golden said the only two residency programs in the state that admit osteopathic medical school graduates, in Madison and Milwaukee, are full. Many graduates of the new school would do their residencies in other states and probably end up practicing out of state, he said......"

Bottom line-this school is a bad idea. Only reason why its opening up is just to make some big bucks.G-d the AOA is such a deplorable organization sometimes.

 

[costales]

Only reason why its opening up is just to make some big bucks.

Yep. No truer words.

 

[Spatula]

Wisconsin really could use more primary care physicians though.

I'm no politician but Wisconsin does have a history of progressive spending. Looks like Republicans are on their way out, and I wouldn't be surprised if the state helped fund some new residencies especially if keywords like primary care, rural, and Packers are used.

 

[scotchtapetest]

Wisconsin really could use more primary care physicians though.

I'm no politician but Wisconsin does have a history of progressive spending. Looks like Republicans are on their way out, and I wouldn't be surprised if the state helped fund some new residencies especially if keywords like primary care, rural, and Packers are used.

States currently don't fund residency programs, the feds do (through CMS).

However, that's a great suggestion/model!

 

[scotchtapetest]

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_d30d0e8a-1bb5-11e1-ad5d-001cc4c03286.html

A new medical school in Wausau would open in 2013, admit up to 150 students a year and reduce Wisconsin's looming doctor shortage, according to organizers of the plan announced Wednesday. The Wisconsin College of Osteopathic Medicine, likely to be built next to Aspirus Wausau Hospital, would be the state's third medical school...

They haven't even filed for pre-accreditation/applicant status with COCA.

So, it's all talks for now!

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...eges-of-osteopathic-medicine-and-campuses.pdf

 

[Spatula]

States currently don't fund residency programs, the feds do (through CMS).

However, that's a great suggestion/model!

I'm pretty sure states do help fund GME. I thought I remember reading something that Texas had cut their own funding quite a bit and it was causing problems.

 

[scotchtapetest]

I'm pretty sure states do help fund GME. I thought I remember reading something that Texas had cut their own funding quite a bit and it was causing problems.

Well "states" fund it but it's through medicaid funding they receive from the federal government and it is mostly for Indirect-GME (IGME) costs (i.e. the money they pay to the hospitals b/c residents tend to increase the cost [e.g. ordering more tests]). But to my knowledge, states can not open up residencies from scratch and fund it.

I could be wrong!

 

[costales]

I thought I remember reading something that Texas had cut their own funding quite a bit and it was causing problems.

It's a 74% cut in state funding for family-practice residencies, and total funding for GME is cut by 40%.

 

[UpwardTrend]

They haven't even filed for pre-accreditation/applicant status with COCA.

So, it's all talks for now!

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...eges-of-osteopathic-medicine-and-campuses.pdf

They do have a website though! Gotta be legit 😀

wisccom.org

This news has been out there for a while. They had a better website months ago that was accepting CV's to teach there.

 

[FutureDrB]

They do have a website though! Gotta be legit 😀

wisccom.org

This news has been out there for a while. They had a better website months ago that was accepting CV's to teach there.

Yeah, that's weird. They are obviously actively making changes, because I was browsing their site a few days ago, and it looked completely different. It actually had some content on it at that time.

 

[Goro]

I know one of the fellows trying to get this off the ground and all I'll add is my initial reaction of: "boy, is he in over his head!!!"

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_d30d0e8a-1bb5-11e1-ad5d-001cc4c03286.html

A new medical school in Wausau would open in 2013, admit up to 150 students a year and reduce Wisconsin's looming doctor shortage, according to organizers of the plan announced Wednesday. The Wisconsin College of Osteopathic Medicine, likely to be built next to Aspirus Wausau Hospital, would be the state's third medical school...

 

[DocEspana]

States currently don't fund residency programs, the feds do (through CMS).

However, that's a great suggestion/model!

States do fund residency programs. Its a requirement that a portion (the percent escapes me, but its not negligble, though not huge either) of medicaid money in each state go towards GME.

With that said, the total percent of GME that state funding represents is only a few percentage points. I won't commit to this number, but lets call it 3%. Enough to be worth knowing in a conversation on GME, but far too little to be a legitimate source of anything for this school.

EDIT: I see someone else commented on it. Never mind then. Carry on.

 

[drgioiadds]

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_d30d0e8a-1bb5-11e1-ad5d-001cc4c03286.html

A new medical school in Wausau would open in 2013, admit up to 150 students a year and reduce Wisconsin's looming doctor shortage, according to organizers of the plan announced Wednesday. The Wisconsin College of Osteopathic Medicine, likely to be built next to Aspirus Wausau Hospital, would be the state's third medical school...

I thought it was supposed to be in Milwaukee. I actually emailed someone on that website last year and did not get a response.

 

[Dharma]

There really needs to be some kind of response from the profession (students and physicians alike) regarding all of these proposals for new schools/campuses/expansions and the relative ease in which they are given the "go-ahead."

Do they (i.e. those with a voice that will be heard and respected) not see that is NOT a good thing, especially with pending GME cuts? It's strikingly obvious that this all about the chips, while whispers of "diploma mills" could be heard amongst the crowd...

Or are people that hypnotized by the PCP-shortage rhetoric/diversion that no one will make a serious stand?

"It's all about the Benjamins! WHAT?!"

 

[SLC]

"But Dr. Robert Golden, dean of the UW medical school, said it would be cost-prohibitive for the new school to set up enough residency programs for the additional training required after medical school.
Golden said the only two residency programs in the state that admit osteopathic medical school graduates, in Madison and Milwaukee, are full. Many graduates of the new school would do their residencies in other states and probably end up practicing out of state, he said...."

This sounds like an easy fix! I mean, if they really want to retain students in-state then they could dictate equal access for in-state trained DO's for all residencies, not just the two that are currently willing to accept them. Boom, problem solved right?

 

[DocEspana]

There really needs to be some kind of response from the profession (students and physicians alike) regarding all of these proposals for new schools/campuses/expansions and the relative ease in which they are given the "go-ahead."

Do they (i.e. those with a voice that will be heard and respected) not see that is NOT a good thing, especially with pending GME cuts? It's strikingly obvious that this all about the chips, while whispers of "diploma mills" could be heard amongst the crowd...

Or are people that hypnotized by the PCP-shortage rhetoric/diversion that no one will make a serious stand?

"It's all about the Benjamins! WHAT?!"

Lets call a spade a spade. People want *american* physicians and its a truly pervasive xenophobia that is driving this at the highest levels. Not money grabbing, though thats an easy scapegoat as people do stand to benefit monetarily. The money being acquired is money that would have gone elsewhere (foreign schools) and now stays in the states.

The bigger issue is two fold. First is that the xenophobia is simply for more "american" physicians (make of that what you will, since many american physicians have heavy indian accents. Do they count?) and there is a push, one of which I honestly have my own hands sullied with, to lump americans trained in the islands as non-american. Its simply the next retaliation in a subtle war going on among schools. The second issue is that the AOA saw the writing on the wall about the xenophobia about 10 years ago and realized they needed to expand so that when the pool of "american" physicians expands to fill the whole residency pool they have a larger portion than they have now. Its easy to move from 10% to 20% to 30% of the trained population when there is room to expand. If the residency pool is saturated, it becomes very hard to increase your cut of the pie.

I do not agree with the expansion, but I also understand there is a cultural force behind this and it deserves to be acknowledged. The LCME schools are now the ones rapidly expanding, as GME is being cut ~2%. If AOA ever wants some respect, it would actually benefit (at what cost?) from expanding its representation if the LCME is looking to lock down training to nearly-only americans by the method of expansion.

 

[NurWollen]

Golden said the only two residency programs in the state that admit osteopathic medical school graduates, in Madison and Milwaukee, are full. Many graduates of the new school would do their residencies in other states and probably end up practicing out of state, he said.

This sounds like an easy fix! I mean, if they really want to retain students in-state then they could dictate equal access for in-state trained DO's for all residencies, not just the two that are currently willing to accept them. Boom, problem solved right?

Dr. Roberts is mistaken

http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/residency/md-do
http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/aboutus/meded/programs/presentation/family-medicine.aspx
http://www.mayohealthsystem.org/mhs/live/employment/FSHresidency/ResAndGraduates.html
http://www.family.mcw.edu/csm/residents/Hanson.htm
http://www.waukeshafp.org/res_fac/our_people/our_residents.cfm

And that's just family practice.

 

[Druggernaut]

This sounds like an easy fix! I mean, if they really want to retain students in-state then they could dictate equal access for in-state trained DO's for all residencies, not just the two that are currently willing to accept them. Boom, problem solved right?

I think he was misquoted. One of the people in the comments section says that there's only two dually credited residencies in the state. I didn't research it much, but a quick Google search seems to support it.

 

[NurWollen]

I think he was misquoted. One of the people in the comments section says that there's only two dually credited residencies in the state. I didn't research it much, but a quick Google search seems to support it.

I wouldn't be surprised. And two of those residencies I listed are dually accredited. That and medical school deans tend to be more informed than low-level newspaper writers.

 

[cliquesh]

There are only two AOA residencies in Wisconsin; DMU Family Med and KCOM Family med.
There are, however, roughly 60 ACGME residencies in Wisconsin.

 

[Dharma]

Lets call a spade a spade. People want *american* physicians and its a truly pervasive xenophobia that is driving this at the highest levels. Not money grabbing, though thats an easy scapegoat as people do stand to benefit monetarily. The money being acquired is money that would have gone elsewhere (foreign schools) and now stays in the states.

The bigger issue is two fold. First is that the xenophobia is simply for more "american" physicians (make of that what you will, since many american physicians have heavy indian accents. Do they count?) and there is a push, one of which I honestly have my own hands sullied with, to lump americans trained in the islands as non-american. Its simply the next retaliation in a subtle war going on among schools. The second issue is that the AOA saw the writing on the wall about the xenophobia about 10 years ago and realized they needed to expand so that when the pool of "american" physicians expands to fill the whole residency pool they have a larger portion than they have now. Its easy to move from 10% to 20% to 30% of the trained population when there is room to expand. If the residency pool is saturated, it becomes very hard to increase your cut of the pie.

I do not agree with the expansion, but I also understand there is a cultural force behind this and it deserves to be acknowledged. The LCME schools are now the ones rapidly expanding, as GME is being cut ~2%. If AOA ever wants some respect, it would actually benefit (at what cost?) from expanding its representation if the LCME is looking to lock down training to nearly-only americans by the method of expansion.

I honestly never thought about the expansion issue in this regard. Makes a lot of sense actually (and I appreciate it much more than the typical PCP shortage response). Guess we'll have to wait and see how this is going to play out in the long run. Any guesses on when this era of expansion will see its end?

 

[se20001984]

i feel like the aoas goal is to get 1 DO school in every single state

 

[DocEspana]

i feel like the aoas goal is to get 1 DO school in every single state

there isnt even 1 medical school (of any kind) in some states. So, lofty goal.

 

[se20001984]

really? no way...

(aside ffrom alaska and hawaii i thought there was 1 in every state)

 

[NurWollen]

really? no way...

(aside ffrom alaska and hawaii i thought there was 1 in every state)

Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, Alaska, and I think one other all lack medical schools. Hawaii does have one, however.

 

[fletchffletch]

really? no way...

(aside ffrom alaska and hawaii i thought there was 1 in every state)

Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, Alaska, and I think one other all lack medical schools. Hawaii does have one, however.

I don't recall one in Delaware either

 

[GSUMATERIAL14]

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...cle_d30d0e8a-1bb5-11e1-ad5d-001cc4c03286.html

A new medical school in Wausau would open in 2013, admit up to 150 students a year and reduce Wisconsin's looming doctor shortage, according to organizers of the plan announced Wednesday. The Wisconsin College of Osteopathic Medicine, likely to be built next to Aspirus Wausau Hospital, would be the state's third medical school...

Here's a quick update on the school:

http://wsau.com/news/articles/2012/may/31/wausau-could-offer-solution-to-looming-doctor-shortage/

 

[UrshumMurshum]

These new schools aren't terrible as long as the applicant numbers remain high. But historically there have been times when applicant numbers backed off, and with the medical climate being the way it is (many doctors frustrated with the health care system) there could be a reduction in applicants.

 

[DocEspana]

These new schools aren't terrible as long as the applicant numbers remain high. But historically there have been times when applicant numbers backed off, and with the medical climate being the way it is (many doctors frustrated with the health care system) there could be a reduction in applicants.

with the legal climate being the way it is (terrible) medicine has seen an unprecedented boom in applicants. We're at record high appliants and increasing each year.

maybe it backs off at some point, but 1) it wont be soon and 2) it wont be a bubble that "pops" it just might decellerate a bit.