New DO schools

[DOCMom84]

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So I know all the cons of a new DO school and I'm not looking for a laundry list of reasons why someone shouldn't go to a new school. My confusion is this...if someone attends a new school, the school, at best, is in pre-accreditation status until the first class graduates. So what happens with the first class when they go to apply for residencies? Don't most programs require the school to be accredited? Are they at a deficit even if they do well on COMLEX and Step 1?

 

[Ultimax]

They shouldnt have any problems applying for residency if they do well on COMPLEX and USMLE, but to match into competitive residencies is another story as new DO schools do not have great opportunities for research and residency program .PD do not know much about the school. Second, the first few classes tend to suffer the most as they dont have feedbacks from the previous years on how they should prepare for board exams.

 

[hungrydoc710]

Class of 2024 is going to be a **** show as far as The Match. So many new schools. Diluted pool for IMG MD's to come in.
Best you can do is AnKing + (U)FAPS + B&B from OMS1 day 1.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Are they at a deficit even if they do well on COMLEX and Step 1?

Yes, but not because the school is in the pre-accreditation phase. New schools, quite frankly, have exceptionally poor resources for their students 9 times out of 10.

 

[holdthemayo]

It depends on your goals. The vast majority of your class will match. If you want FM, peds, IM go for it. If you want anything competitive then it will be more of an uphill battle than if you went to a more established school.

 

[diamondkings]

So Is the general rule of thumb to go for the more established school? As I’m looking at the schools I’m deciding between, I decided to make cost a non-factor. Going through this process there are so many factors and it can really begin to overwhelm you. I just want to make sure I make the best decision for my future

 

[paradoxic_toxic]

So Is the general rule of thumb to go for the more established school?

Yes. In general established schools will be better at preparing students.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Don’t go to a new school if you can avoid it. Everything you need to do well on boards is on this site so that’s not an issue. As far as resources go, I have no idea what my very well-established school is offering over new schools, but I doubt it’s much.

But you’re going to be dealing with a new curriculum that has no hx of its faculty working together. The first couple guinea pig classes are going to be trying to make sense of a disorganized mess.

 

[futurexray]

Best to choose a new school associated with a tried and true like PCOM. South Georgia is new but because it is associated with PCOM you would probably have a better opportunity.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Best to choose a new school associated with a tried and true like PCOM. South Georgia is new but because it is associated with PCOM you would probably have a better opportunity.

The GA PCOM students from the campus outside Atlanta would disagree. A lot of these branch campuses have little more than administrative things in common. My school has a branch campus and it’s a completely different curriculum and clinical sites.

 

[hungrydoc710]

Best to choose a new school associated with a tried and true like PCOM. South Georgia is new but because it is associated with PCOM you would probably have a better opportunity.

Although VCOM's are similiar across the board. I've read this not to be the case for Touro's and PCOM's.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Best to choose a new school associated with a tried and true like PCOM. South Georgia is new but because it is associated with PCOM you would probably have a better opportunity.

Nope. That school will most likely be garbage. Just because it has the name PCOM in it doesn’t mean you will have even a fraction of the opportunity as the philly students.

 

[Goro]

Nope. That school will most likely be garbage. Just because it has the name PCOM in it doesn’t mean you will have even a fraction of the opportunity as the philly students.

100%. In reality, these are competing schools.

Always go for an established school

 

[deleted610572]

So Is the general rule of thumb to go for the more established school? As I’m looking at the schools I’m deciding between, I decided to make cost a non-factor. Going through this process there are so many factors and it can really begin to overwhelm you. I just want to make sure I make the best decision for my future

if you want to make the best decision for your future then cost needs to be a factor. The fact is rising cost of medical school is ridiculous. Another fact is regardless of which DO school you go to you will most likely be in PCP or other lower paying fields. Going to CCOM with the highest tuition and a high cost of Chicago suburb COL compared to say ACOM which is run of the mill tuition (10-15k cheaper per year) and rural alabama COL. CCOM is drastically more established but you are looking at 50k+ more debt before interest to a similar outcome. I would take ACOM 1000x over

 

[DrStephenStrange]

if you want to make the best decision for your future then cost needs to be a factor. The fact is rising cost of medical school is ridiculous. Another fact is regardless of which DO school you go to you will most likely be in PCP or other lower paying fields. Going to CCOM with the highest tuition and a high cost of Chicago suburb COL compared to say ACOM which is run of the mill tuition (10-15k cheaper per year) and rural alabama COL. CCOM is drastically more established but you are looking at 50k+ more debt before interest to a similar outcome. I would take ACOM 1000x over

It's more like 20-25K difference per year. Totalling a 80-100K more in loans at graduation.

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[diamondkings]

if you want to make the best decision for your future then cost needs to be a factor. The fact is rising cost of medical school is ridiculous. Another fact is regardless of which DO school you go to you will most likely be in PCP or other lower paying fields. Going to CCOM with the highest tuition and a high cost of Chicago suburb COL compared to say ACOM which is run of the mill tuition (10-15k cheaper per year) and rural alabama COL. CCOM is drastically more established but you are looking at 50k+ more debt before interest to a similar outcome. I would take ACOM 1000x over

Yes, cost I agree is a big deal for my future. I feel it will be between ATSU-KCOM and the 2 newer Arkansas schools. I feel both will be very successful, but knowing that KCOM has been around so long is hard to look past. There’s much more that goes into this than I thought lol.

 

[hungrydoc710]

if you want to make the best decision for your future then cost needs to be a factor. The fact is rising cost of medical school is ridiculous. Another fact is regardless of which DO school you go to you will most likely be in PCP or other lower paying fields. Going to CCOM with the highest tuition and a high cost of Chicago suburb COL compared to say ACOM which is run of the mill tuition (10-15k cheaper per year) and rural alabama COL. CCOM is drastically more established but you are looking at 50k+ more debt before interest to a similar outcome. I would take ACOM 1000x over

PCP low paying field? Nothing about being a doctor is low paying, even these "low paying fields" can be high paying with the right moves.
Saw my girls fathers W2 forms and he's wracking up 352K before taxes in Florida. He's family med.

That being said, agreed go with cheaper tuition. Study for boards. And become pretty much whatever you want outside of Derm, etc.

 

[DOsoon_2Be]

Class of 2024 is going to be a **** show as far as The Match. So many new schools. Diluted pool for IMG MD's to come in.
Best you can do is AnKing + (U)FAPS + B&B from OMS1 day 1.

Why do you believe CO 2024 will go badly in the match? Badly for everyone trying to match or just those attending the new schools? I only ask because I matriculate July 2020 so that'll be my match year but I'll be attending a somewhat established school (ATSU Soma) so I was just curious

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[AnatomyGrey12]

Why do you believe CO 2024 will go badly in the match? Badly for everyone trying to match or just those attending the new schools? I only ask because I matriculate July 2020 so that'll be my match year but I'll be attending a somewhat established school (ATSU Soma) so I was just curious

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I believe that is the year with peak influx of new grads. It's going to be a bloodbath in the match that year.

 

[Ultimax]

It is the year that residency merging will occur for both MD schools and DO schools, I heard from the physicians in my hospital that it will be interesting to see how DO students, especially from new DO schools, will do.

 

[DOsoon_2Be]

I believe that is the year with peak influx of new grads. It's going to be a bloodbath in the match that year.

Thanks for the input. That makes sense though. I'm hoping to go into some PC residency, most likely FM, so hopefully those will stay somewhat kind to its applicants

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[DrStephenStrange]

It is the year that residency merging will occur for both MD schools and DO schools, I heard from the physicians in my hospital that it will be interesting to see how DO students, especially from new DO schools, will do.

The merger already occurred. This year is the year where MDs and DOs are going through a single match (march 2020).

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[AnatomyGrey12]

It is the year that residency merging will occur for both MD schools and DO schools, I heard from the physicians in my hospital that it will be interesting to see how DO students, especially from new DO schools, will do.

Most programs have been merged for a while. It's the first year everything is in one match, meaning basically the weakest DO programs and most of ortho will now be in the NRMP match. I honestly don't see it being very different from last year.

 

[PorkChopsOG]

Most programs have been merged for a while. It's the first year everything is in one match, meaning basically the weakest DO programs and most of ortho will now be in the NRMP match. I honestly don't see it being very different from last year.

IMO there won't be too much of a difference from last year except for the outliers: The 700+/250 students may have a rough time with hyper-competitive specialties, and the weakest applicants with massive red flags on their apps may not fare well if they don't strictly apply to previous AOA programs. Everything else should be the same.

As for the 2024 match, remember that 2023 the ECFMG accredidation changes where you now have to go to a certified school, so there in theory may be less FMG's applying. But who knows, the charting outcomes this year will tell all.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

The 700+/250 students may have a rough time with hyper-competitive specialties,

I actually doubt this. It will be the high 500 to low 600 applicants to these specialties that will be hit more likely.

 

[deleted610572]

Yes, cost I agree is a big deal for my future. I feel it will be between ATSU-KCOM and the 2 newer Arkansas schools. I feel both will be very successful, but knowing that KCOM has been around so long is hard to look past. There’s much more that goes into this than I thought lol.

yes with those choices choose KCOM

 

[hungrydoc710]

It is the year that residency merging will occur for both MD schools and DO schools, I heard from the physicians in my hospital that it will be interesting to see how DO students, especially from new DO schools, will do.

Merge already occured. It'll be harder bc there are more applicants in general (MD and DO). DO's actually do better matching into harder specs now I think actually. It's the bottom of the class DO students (low GPA, low board scores) that will have an issue beating out high scoring IMG's - but even then, you have a much better chance matching being an american med school grad than a carrib grad/american reject.

 

[carboxylicpremed]

It probably also depends on resources too? Duquesne's DO school will matriculate kids in 2023. Brand new, but will have Pitt and its top hospital system at arm's length. It already has some undergrad premed program that feeds into Pitt med (and from kids I knew that went, they're cut GPA/MCAT slack because of the connection). Campuses are walking distance apart, and I know Duquesne's Pharm students already do all their rotations at Pitt

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

It probably also depends on resources too? Duquesne's DO school will matriculate kids in 2023. Brand new, but will have Pitt and its top hospital system at arm's length. It already has some undergrad premed program that feeds into Pitt med (and from kids I knew that went, they're cut GPA/MCAT slack because of the connection). Campuses are walking distance apart, and I know Duquesne's Pharm students already do all their rotations at Pitt

Lmao. If you think UPitt will be letting Duquesne DO students rotate at their hospitals then I have an Albuquerque beach front time share to sell you....

 

[PorkChopsOG]

I actually doubt this. It will be the high 500 to low 600 applicants to these specialties that will be hit more likely.

Fair enough, I can see that.

 

[carboxylicpremed]

Lmao. If you think UPitt will be letting Duquesne DO students rotate at their hospitals then I have an Albuquerque beach front time share to sell you....

I don't know how it works, I'm just asking. Pitt's my undergrad&hometown and Duquesne pharm kids only rotate at UPMC hospitals (ik it's no med school but Pitt's pharm ranking is T10). One of the UPMC hospitals designates itself as the rotations site for LECOM and PCOM students right alongside Pitt ones (another did til recentish too). Our 1 non-UPMC major hospital already rotates LECOM/PCOM, but the UPMC network is colossal. Which is why seemed as possible ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[holdthemayo]

I don't know how it works, I'm just asking. Pitt's my undergrad&hometown and Duquesne pharm kids only rotate at UPMC hospitals (ik it's no med school but Pitt's pharm ranking is T10). One of the UPMC hospitals designates itself as the rotations site for LECOM and PCOM students right alongside Pitt ones (another did til recentish too). Our 1 non-UPMC major hospital already rotates LECOM/PCOM, but the UPMC network is colossal. Which is why seemed as possible ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In their network? Sure, that's possible. Their network is huge.

But there is a big difference between doing all of your rotations at UPMC in Pittsburgh and UPMC Lititz.

 

[Ho0v-man]

I don't know how it works, I'm just asking. Pitt's my undergrad&hometown and Duquesne pharm kids only rotate at UPMC hospitals (ik it's no med school but Pitt's pharm ranking is T10). One of the UPMC hospitals designates itself as the rotations site for LECOM and PCOM students right alongside Pitt ones (another did til recentish too). Our 1 non-UPMC major hospital already rotates LECOM/PCOM, but the UPMC network is colossal. Which is why seemed as possible ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

UPMC owns tons of hospitals throughout PA. There’s actually a ton of competition in PA for clinical training spots for med students. Another school sounds like a disaster. While I’d like to believe that this school will get its students quality education in spite of this, my cynical side doubts it.

 

[carboxylicpremed]

In their network? Sure, that's possible. Their network is huge.

But there is a big difference between doing all of your rotations at UPMC in Pittsburgh and UPMC Lititz.

Fair, it's McKeesport's that I was referring to. But, they used to have rotations at UPMC Mercy -- which is Pittsburgh proper -- but pretty sure they no longer do. Majority of LECOMS rotations were there not that long ago. Just saying, it's not that unheard of as a concept, but again I'm not well-versed in it. They just seem so intertwined w Duquesne

UPMC owns tons of hospitals throughout PA. There’s actually a ton of competition in PA for clinical training spots for med students. Another school sounds like a disaster. While I’d like to believe that this school will get its students quality education in spite of this, my cynical side doubts it.

Yeah makes sense that it wouldn't be quality of course as a new DO school and didn't consider the ton of competition in the state. Just was guessing that maybe it'd be less risky than a middle-of-nowhere one bc of it

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Majority of LECOMS rotations were there not that long ago.

They had spots there sure, but the most definitely didn't have the majority of students rotating there. More likely only a handful of students would get that site.

I would highly recommend 1. Trying to get into an MD school, and then 2. If that isn't possible doing everything you can to be competitive for established DO schools that have a known product.

 

[Angus Avagadro]

They had spots there sure, but the most definitely didn't have the majority of students rotating there. More likely only a handful of students would get that site.

I would highly recommend 1. Trying to get into an MD school, and then 2. If that isn't possible doing everything you can to be competitive for established DO schools that have a known product.

Duquesne wont be sending any students to Pittsburgh Childrens or Magee Womens, or their university hospital.

 

[carboxylicpremed]

They had spots there sure, but the most definitely didn't have the majority of students rotating there. More likely only a handful of students would get that site.

I would highly recommend 1. Trying to get into an MD school, and then 2. If that isn't possible doing everything you can to be competitive for established DO schools that have a known product.

lol pgh is not a place I would stay any longer. I'm applying almost entirely md this summer and that school doesn't matriculate til '23 anyways. Like I said, just curious about location relevance when compared to other brand new DO schools.