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Hi guys,

I applied to new DO schools which are opening, and wanted to better understand how attending a new school can affect chances for competitive residencies. Of course, you have to get the Step 1 score, but is going to a new school looked badly upon by program directors? Or is there really no impact, if the stats are there?

Thanks!
 
Hi guys,

I applied to new DO schools which are opening, and wanted to better understand how attending a new school can affect chances for competitive residencies. Of course, you have to get the Step 1 score, but is going to a new school looked badly upon by program directors? Or is there really no impact, if the stats are there?

Thanks!

There's no rep and no history to go off of. People are typically scared of new things/change. A new school won't necessarily hurt you but it probably won't help you at all.

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Hi guys,

I applied to new DO schools which are opening, and wanted to better understand how attending a new school can affect chances for competitive residencies. Of course, you have to get the Step 1 score, but is going to a new school looked badly upon by program directors? Or is there really no impact, if the stats are there?

Thanks!


Ive come to find that you'll have to look at each school individually. Being new doesn't hurt chances at all...not having connections would hurt. Some of the new schools will have some pretty great connections that you wouldn't get at some established schools, while other new schools will be more geared towards local PCP development. I guess the same is true of any school, of any age.
 
PS OP made two nearly identical threads in the Osteopathic forum.
 
Sorry, didn't realize I asked a similar question a while back...looking for updated insight on the topic.
 
not to mention the exact same thing in pre-allo yesterday.

the bottom line is you have a school trying to proove themselves which can be a benefit for you. You have new equipment, new facilities, and an administration that wants to make a name for itself so you are likely to get the best treatment as the future of the school lies on the shoulders of the first and second class. the downside is that you have no upper classmen to say "this professor sucks," or "you don't need this book for class," etc. Also if the school is trying something and it doesn't work (like your board scores are collectively embarrassingly bad), it really isn't the schools problem and you are the one who has to deal with it. Looking at the more established and high rep schools, you know they preform well on boards so you aren't worried if they are properly training you. You don't have that with a new school and if you barely pass because the curriculum isn't working, you are the one screwed. Also, when i graduate from DMU and apply to residencies, chances are many have gone through before me or even that DMU grads could be faculty. You aren't going to have that with a new school so the PD is basically required to say "well lets take a chance." If you preform well on everything it may not be an issue, but if two people are equal candidates, that may be a deciding factor. Also newer schools may not be able to fund their ancillary programs so research may be lacking, clubs may be non existent, and networking opportunities may be weak. but none of it matters if you feel good at that school and it is worth it to go somewhere you truly want to be.
 
I think Marian might become a decent school, if that's the one you're thinking about. There is only one medical school in Indiana and Indiana university is DO friendly
 
not to mention the exact same thing in pre-allo yesterday.

the bottom line is you have a school trying to proove themselves which can be a benefit for you. You have new equipment, new facilities, and an administration that wants to make a name for itself so you are likely to get the best treatment as the future of the school lies on the shoulders of the first and second class. the downside is that you have no upper classmen to say "this professor sucks," or "you don't need this book for class," etc. Also if the school is trying something and it doesn't work (like your board scores are collectively embarrassingly bad), it really isn't the schools problem and you are the one who has to deal with it. Looking at the more established and high rep schools, you know they preform well on boards so you aren't worried if they are properly training you. You don't have that with a new school and if you barely pass because the curriculum isn't working, you are the one screwed. Also, when i graduate from DMU and apply to residencies, chances are many have gone through before me or even that DMU grads could be faculty. You aren't going to have that with a new school so the PD is basically required to say "well lets take a chance." If you preform well on everything it may not be an issue, but if two people are equal candidates, that may be a deciding factor. Also newer schools may not be able to fund their ancillary programs so research may be lacking, clubs may be non existent, and networking opportunities may be weak. but none of it matters if you feel good at that school and it is worth it to go somewhere you truly want to be.

Great response...also sorry again for posting the same thing. Your insights are all helpful!
 
Having seen this process first hand, I can tell you that there is no problem for getting a residency if you're from a new school. the key factors affecting resdiencies are how well you do in your rotations, followed by board scores. My students simply don't beleive us when we tell them that residency directors don't give a rat's ass about their grades from the 1st two years, but it's true.

Keep in mind that if you apply to a residency that in a place where you rotated, you have a better chance of getting it.

One of my worst students from our second ever Class ended up in Anesthesiology, so yes, it's quite possible to get into a competitive residency. Now, the Opthamology program at UCLA, well, even Harvard grads have trouble getting into that one. So don't aim too high!

Hi guys,

I applied to new DO schools which are opening, and wanted to better understand how attending a new school can affect chances for competitive residencies. Of course, you have to get the Step 1 score, but is going to a new school looked badly upon by program directors? Or is there really no impact, if the stats are there?

Thanks!
 
I think Marian might become a decent school, if that's the one you're thinking about. There is only one medical school in Indiana and Indiana university is DO friendly

I have the same feeling
 
I think Marian might become a decent school, if that's the one you're thinking about. There is only one medical school in Indiana and Indiana university is DO friendly

Heck yeah! 😉 👍

Having seen this process first hand, I can tell you that there is no problem for getting a residency if you're from a new school. the key factors affecting resdiencies are how well you do in your rotations, followed by board scores. My students simply don't beleive us when we tell them that residency directors don't give a rat's ass about their grades from the 1st two years, but it's true.

Keep in mind that if you apply to a residency that in a place where you rotated, you have a better chance of getting it.

One of my worst students from our second ever Class ended up in Anesthesiology, so yes, it's quite possible to get into a competitive residency. Now, the Opthamology program at UCLA, well, even Harvard grads have trouble getting into that one. So don't aim too high!

Very knowledgeable response and only makes me feel better about my decision to attend a new school (even though I wasn't really questioning it). Thanks for the insight 🙂
 
Having seen this process first hand, I can tell you that there is no problem for getting a residency if you're from a new school. the key factors affecting resdiencies are how well you do in your rotations, followed by board scores. My students simply don't beleive us when we tell them that residency directors don't give a rat's ass about their grades from the 1st two years, but it's true.

Keep in mind that if you apply to a residency that in a place where you rotated, you have a better chance of getting it.

One of my worst students from our second ever Class ended up in Anesthesiology, so yes, it's quite possible to get into a competitive residency. Now, the Opthamology program at UCLA, well, even Harvard grads have trouble getting into that one. So don't aim too high!

Any insight on matching ACGME versus AOA as a DO? ACGME leaves more options open for fellowships? Although, not sure how 2015 changes impact this topic...
 
Any insight on matching ACGME versus AOA as a DO? ACGME leaves more options open for fellowships? Although, not sure how 2015 changes impact this topic...

I actually think this guy is trolling all of us.
 
Why do you have a problem with everyone?

I dont have a problem with anyone. I'm merely exposing you for what you are.

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Any insight on matching ACGME versus AOA as a DO? ACGME leaves more options open for fellowships? Although, not sure how 2015 changes impact this topic...

2015 = AOA residencies will be ACGME accredited (or that's the plan). Thus, ACGME fellowships will be available to residencies that were previously just AOA accredited
 
2015 = AOA residencies will be ACGME accredited (or that's the plan). Thus, ACGME fellowships will be available to residencies that were previously just AOA accredited

Do you guys think fellowship well get more competitive now that the pool is bigger? I know anti-DO bias will "protect" the MDs a little but there are bound to be fellowship directors that aren't hating on DOs.

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Do you guys think fellowship well get more competitive now that the pool is bigger? I know anti-DO bias will "protect" the MDs a little but there are bound to be fellowship directors that aren't hating on DOs.

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I think that fellowship applications will definitely increase. To say that they will be more competitive is tough since this unified accreditation doesn't mean that fellowship directors won't discriminate against those that are coming from a once-AOA accredited residency. I honestly have no clue.
 
Do you think these schools will be easier for students to get into compared to the other well established schools (older)?
 
Do you think these schools will be easier for students to get into compared to the other well established schools (older)?

Depends. Won't know until class stats come out next fall. However, I do know a number of people accepted to more established osteopathic programs, while they have been straight up rejected from newer schools. Overall, probably "easier" to a degree, but who really knows.
 
I think no...The new schools are interested in success and they want a student body that will show success for the first year. I would say many qualities, including grades, will go into whether a new school will accept an applicant.

In order to attract top tier students some probably will offer a scholarship of some kind.

Do you think these schools will be easier for students to get into compared to the other well established schools (older)?
 
Do you guys think fellowship well get more competitive now that the pool is bigger? I know anti-DO bias will "protect" the MDs a little but there are bound to be fellowship directors that aren't hating on DOs.

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Did the pool get bigger? I know it avoided getting smaller, but Im not sure if it got bigger?
 
Did the pool get bigger? I know it avoided getting smaller, but Im not sure if it got bigger?

If all residencies are accredited by ACGME, then the fellowships formerly requiring an ACGME residency are now theoretically accessible to more applicants since there will be more accredited ACGME residencies.
 
If all residencies are accredited by ACGME, then the fellowships formerly requiring an ACGME residency are now theoretically accessible to more applicants since there will be more accredited ACGME residencies.

I dont think there were ever fellowships that required ACGME residencies...it was being discussed, but since the merger (sorry DocEspania, its a convenient term 😉 ) that never happened.
 
I dont think there were ever fellowships that required ACGME residencies...it was being discussed, but since the merger (sorry DocEspania, its a convenient term 😉 ) that never happened.

Oh. Well then nvm.

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In order to attract top tier students some probably will offer a scholarship of some kind.[/QUOTE]

I have never heard of that before? Scholarship money for medical school?!
 
I think no...The new schools are interested in success and they want a student body that will show success for the first year. I would say many qualities, including grades, will go into whether a new school will accept an applicant.

In order to attract top tier students some probably will offer a scholarship of some kind.

I have never heard of that before? Scholarship money for medical school?!
 
I think no...The new schools are interested in success and they want a student body that will show success for the first year. I would say many qualities, including grades, will go into whether a new school will accept an applicant.

In order to attract top tier students some probably will offer a scholarship of some kind.

I agree with your first paragraph. 👍

I'm not sure about Campbell or Alabama, but Marian isn't offering scholarships 👎 already asked! 😳
 
I know Campbell was offering to some students 10k-20k renewable scholarships.

And if I was offered the money I would attend in a heart beat...med-school is what YOU make of it. Board scores are on you...
 
I have never heard of that before? Scholarship money for medical school?!

I agree with your first paragraph. 👍

I'm not sure about Campbell or Alabama, but Marian isn't offering scholarships 👎 already asked! 😳

It is rare even among the public DO schools but
Campbell is generously giving out 10 or 20k renewable
scholarships to select students and it doesn't to be all about
numbers. Though financial aid doesn't release specifics
It has a lot to do with how well you fit with them in addition to excellent
academics. My guess is this is not just to attract a strong first class because unlike most private DO schools or the other new ones Campbell University has a pretty decent endowment total.
 

I do have a sneaking suspicion that the MDs in 2015 and on will be have slightly increased competition since there's going to be only 1 match. I'm not saying it's going to be easier for DOs to match, but I do think the moderately competitive (as they exist now) ACGME residencies are going to get more difficult to match. I don't think the top ACGME programs will change much though because I imagine those PDs are very strongly biased against DOs.
 
I do have a sneaking suspicion that the MDs in 2015 and on will be have slightly increased competition since there's going to be only 1 match. I'm not saying it's going to be easier for DOs to match, but I do think the moderately competitive (as they exist now) ACGME residencies are going to get more difficult to match. I don't think the top ACGME programs will change much though because I imagine those PDs are very strongly biased against DOs.

Maybe so...More likely, its just less of a headache for DOs to have just one match to worry about.

And yes, most "top" programs wont change at all...Not only are they biased against DOs, but against mid and lower tier MDs as well. Tradition. Not that I care...I don't want to go into academic or research medicine anyway, so Ill take any of the other great residencies around and probably never think twice. But Im sure some people worry about this...
 
Maybe so...More likely, its just less of a headache for DOs to have just one match to worry about.

And yes, most "top" programs wont change at all...Not only are they biased against DOs, but against mid and lower tier MDs as well. Tradition. Not that I care...I don't want to go into academic or research medicine anyway, so Ill take any of the other great residencies around and probably never think twice. But Im sure some people worry about this...

Indeed.
 
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