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Does anyone have access to full article and willing to share? Thoughts from people that have reviewed it?

 
can only see the abstract, sorry


from what can be gleaned - it is meta-analysis. only 11 studies.

suggests that gRFA not recommended as there were no functional gains in WOMAC and no pain benefit after 6 months.


id hate to see CMS get a hold of this study.
 
TL/DR: The evidence base is bad; the authors then make several choices that make an already difficult evidence synthesis less reliable and interpret the resulting uncertainty too negatively.

Okay just getting through the paper on a first read. Haven't gotten the supplemental data looked at.

Poor study in some ways but limited by the input studies and author goals/biases more than anything else.

They try to find RCTs studying genicular RF of the three main targets, but then decide to include pulsed and bipolar RF.

They make some decisions in their statistical analysis that effect the signal greatly such as using SMD for pooled VAS. They used the WOMAC total score (pain/stiffness/function) as their output metric, which is fine, except for genicular RF only directly mechanistically effects one of those.

They tried to do some subgroup analyses

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This is figure 2 for them which is the VAS. I want you to see that really, the spread in the studies is impressive, but at A (3m) and B(6m), it really isn't that clear there isn't an effect for RFA. It just isn't statistically significant but that's more the analysis I suspect than the reality. At 12 months, it's clear there isn't a durable effect.

Real quick, this is from the Malaithong paper which is old but shows their bipolar targeting.

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It's suboptimal for a few reasons, primarily related to not being proximal enough IMO, and the spacing there is pretty wide to get a good bipolar lesion, the RF is 90 degrees at 180s which may help, but they inject 2 mLs of local+steroid per target before their burn. The senior author SC on that paper likely leans into the idea that fluid modulation allows him to get a bigger lesion, but that much fluid around your burn can create unreliable burns and doesn't fix the issue that non-internally cooled electrodes create limited width burns due to the charring/conduction effects. With that trajectory, width is the critical variable for durability so they're limited to what you can get with 18g needles, and if they're too far apart, the bipolar effect won't really kick in to create one long lesion but rather two thinner lesions further apart.

I also need to point out a few inherent biases. Now days folks some senior authors are doing meta-analyses to try to generate publications but, in some cases, they need to know when there isn't good enough data for it. They registered the study in PROSPERO to suggest they thought this all out before they did it, but unfortunately, they don't actually show that. It started out as let's do a review about knee stuff, and then they focused in on genicular RF, but decided to include pulsed RF which really weakens the question. They then failed to actually describe their stats plan a priori, which can create a real post hoc review design bias.

It's always hard to do a meta-analysis when authors are also the ones who published some of the papers included, or actively doing NIH funded trials on this for example with SC's SKOAP work which is self-cited throughout. Interestingly, they don't acknowledge that in the COI section because sure this idea is funding my career/time off from clinical duties, but it doesn't drive my thought process at all since it isn't dirty industry bias. They actually do a sub-group analysis around that 'influence of industry sponsorship' showing

"Supplementary Appendix 5 reveals a significant reduction in pain scores at three months with gRF compared to controls (SMD = -0.97; 95% CI: -1.53 to -0.42; P = 0.020) for the industry-sponsored studies. A nonsignificant difference was observed in the two non-industry-sponsored studies available for meta-analysis (SMD = -1.00; 95% CI: -8.42 to 6.43; P = 0.340). "

I just want to point out the problem here with statistics. The SMD or standardized mean difference here is identical. The p-values are significant for the industry trials but not the non-industry studies. That really just is a precision issue driven by the fact that industry likely runs trials better than your average academic.

Anyway, too much ****, but the real conclusion is that we have good evidence for 3 months of relief, 6 months and 12 months are more uncertain, but the effects appear positive and require more reproduction.
 
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@Orin Thank you for the write up. Very helpful. TBH my first thought was the authors' motive as I recognize some of the names as big proponents of neuromodulation. Looks like some of the other ones are big into regenerative

@mille125 Do you mind sharing your technique? I have not been impressed with my results. Maybe 60% responder rate based on my own data. Did classical 3 targets in fellowship with multi tined needle and that seemed better. Now in private using standard 18g RFA. tried bipolar at 3 targets for a while without much improvement. Now doing IPSIS technique of classic and revised targets. Started adding nerve to vastus intermedius and recurrent fibular in the last couple months based on some studies showing the more the better. Burning for 80 c for 90 secs.
 
@Orin Thank you for the write up. Very helpful. TBH my first thought was the authors' motive as I recognize some of the names as big proponents of neuromodulation. Looks like some of the other ones are big into regenerative

@mille125 Do you mind sharing your technique? I have not been impressed with my results. Maybe 60% responder rate based on my own data. Did classical 3 targets in fellowship with multi tined needle and that seemed better. Now in private using standard 18g RFA. tried bipolar at 3 targets for a while without much improvement. Now doing IPSIS technique of classic and revised targets. Started adding nerve to vastus intermedius and recurrent fibular in the last couple months based on some studies showing the more the better. Burning for 80 c for 90 secs.
Nothing extravagant.

Classical 3 targets with standard RFA needle.

80C for 90 sec
 
without doubt it generates a lot less income than injecting all those regenerative substances found in the plasma of 80 year olds.

Older patients do require higher concentrations, but age alone is not disqualifying. #dosematters


J Clin Exp Dent
. 2025 Oct 17;17(11):e1292–e1297. doi: 10.4317/jced.63137

Influence of age and sex on platelet count: Implications for optimizing growth factor-rich plasma preparation​

Arturo Sánchez-Pérez 1,✉, Ana Palma-Sánchez 2, Alfonso Jornet-García 1, María José Moya-Villaescusa 1, José María Montoya-Carralero 1
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PMCID: PMC12742649 PMID: 41459129

Background​

Growth factor-rich plasma (GFRP) is a biomedical procedure used to promote tissue regeneration. Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) contains higher-than-average platelet concentrations and includes platelet-derived growth factors. As an autologous blood derivative, it is widely used to enhance healing and tissue regeneration . In dentistry, GFRP accelerates soft tissue healing and bone regeneration in procedures such as complex extractions, bone grafts, cyst treatments, and to improve dental implant osseointegration. Objective: To assess the potential influence of age and sex on platelet count, with the aim of optimizing the standardization of therapies involving growth factors.

Material and Methods​

A cross-sectional, observational, and comparative study was conducted, including a total of 384 patients. Participants were stratified into six groups based on age. From their medical records, the platelet counts obtained from analyses meeting the established inclusion criteria were recorded. Subsequently, the distribution of platelet levels was analyzed according to age groups and sex. Additionally, the potential correlation between platelet count and age was evaluated.

Results​

The mean platelet count was higher in women (260.9 ± 65.9 x10³/µL) than in men (250.4 ± 62.0 x10³/µL), although the difference was not statistically significant (p = 0.113). A statistically significant negative correlation was found between age and platelet count (r = -0.175; p < 0.01), indicating that platelet count decreases with age, although the correlation coefficient was low.

Conclusions​

Platelet count varies across the population; therefore, blood extraction for PRP preparation should be adjusted based on age group and sex.
 
that study shows that platelets are lower in the elderly; it does not study whether the regenerative factors are as effective in the elderly.

it seems like it is even more buyer beware for doing regenerative treatments in this population.
 
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that study shows that platelets are lower in the elderly; it does not study whether the regenerative factors are as effective in the elderly.

it seems like it is even more buyer beware for doing regenerative treatments in this population.

This is from Open Evidence...

Yes—the available evidence suggests PRP efficacy declines with advancing age, though the data are limited, heterogeneous, and derive largely from small clinical studies, preclinical models, and biochemical analyses rather than large randomized trials. The signal is consistent across clinical outcomes, PRP composition, and mechanistic studies.

Clinical outcome evidence

- In a retrospective study of recalcitrant non-insertional Achilles tendinopathy, both young (mean 39.5 yr) and elderly (mean 61.5 yr) patients improved after PRP, but VISA-A gains were significantly greater in younger patients (50.3→76.1 vs 48.7→61.1), with the difference most evident in long-term healing. The authors concluded PRP is less effective in aged people, attributing this to reduced tenocyte/tenoblast number and function.[1]

- A 2026 meta-analysis of PRP for osteoarthritis (11 RCTs, 851 patients) found significant improvement in WOMAC Total score for primary OA, but on subgroup analysis this benefit was significant only in patients younger than 60 years.[2]

- The American Medical Society for Sports Medicine position statement notes PRP for knee OA appears more effective than steroid or hyaluronic acid injections particularly in younger patients with mild-to-moderate disease.[3]

Biological/compositional evidence

- Aging reduces concentrations of several key growth factors in PRP (e.g., PDGF, VEGF-A, GDF11, IGF-1), which is thought to weaken its regenerative and anti-aging capacity. IGF-1—linked to cell viability and collagen/matrix synthesis—declines in serum with age, and this is proposed as a direct mediator of reduced PRP effectiveness in the elderly.[4][5]

- Donor-age experiments reinforce this: PRP from young donors induced a more youthful chondrocyte phenotype (increased type II collagen, SOX-9) and better cartilage integrity in aged mice, whereas PRP from aged donors showed blunted or absent benefit. Similarly, in a murine pressure-ulcer model, PRP from young adults outperformed elderly-donor PRP, correlating with higher platelet counts and growth factor release.[6][7]

Important caveats

- Age may not be the dominant variable. One controlled study found sex had a greater influence than age on PRP cytokine/growth factor composition, with substantial intra-group variability, supporting a personalized rather than strictly age-based approach.[8][9]

- Comorbidities frequently coexisting with older age (diabetes, cardiovascular disease, antiplatelet drugs) independently degrade PRP quality and may confound the "age" effect.[4][9]

- Efficacy is not abolished—elderly patients still improve, just less so—and preparation techniques (e.g., thermal oscillation to increase viscosity and prolong growth factor release) have been proposed to augment PRP effectiveness in older knee OA patients.[10]

- PRP outcomes overall remain heterogeneous because of biological, technical, and disease-specific variability, and characterization in clinical trials has been inconsistent, limiting firm conclusions.[11]

Overall, age is a real but not absolute negative modifier: older patients derive smaller benefit, particularly for long-term tissue healing, but PRP is not futile in this population.


Would you like to explore PRP preparation modifications that may improve efficacy in older patients?

References​

  1. Platelet Rich Plasma Therapy in Non-Insertional Achilles Tendinopathy: The Efficacy Is Reduced in 60-Years Old People Compared to Young and Middle-Age Individuals. Salini V, Vanni D, Pantalone A, Abate M. Frontiers in Aging Neuroscience. 2015;7:228. doi:10.3389/fnagi.2015.00228.
  2. Investigating the Therapeutic Impact of Platelet-Rich Plasma on Knee, Hip, and Traumatic Osteoarthritis: A Meta-Analysis and Systematic Review. Li S, Wu T. BMC Musculoskeletal Disorders. 2026;27(1):183. doi:10.1186/s12891-026-09486-6.
  3. American Medical Society for Sports Medicine Position Statement: Principles for the Responsible Use of Regenerative Medicine in Sports Medicine. Finnoff JT, Awan TM, Borg-Stein J, et al. Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine : Official Journal of the Canadian Academy of Sport Medicine. 2021;31(6):530-541. doi:10.1097/JSM.0000000000000973.
  4. The Effects of Aging, Diabetes Mellitus, and Antiplatelet Drugs on Growth Factors and Anti-Aging Proteins in Platelet-Rich Plasma. Tian J, Lei XX, Xuan L, Tang JB, Cheng B. Platelets. 2019;30(6):773-792. doi:10.1080/09537104.2018.1514110.
  5. Current Challenges in the Development of Platelet‐Rich Plasma‐Based Therapies. Mercader-Ruiz J, Beitia M, Delgado D, et al. BioMed Research International. 2024;2024:6444120. doi:10.1155/2024/6444120.
  6. Aging Affects the Efficacy of Platelet-Rich Plasma Treatment for Osteoarthritis. Chowdhary K, Sahu A, Iijima H, et al. American Journal of Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation. 2023;102(7):597-604. doi:10.1097/PHM.0000000000002161.
  7. A Comparative Study on Platelet-Rich Plasma From Elderly Individuals and Young Adults to Treat Pressure Ulcers in Mice. Chen N, Wang H, Shao Y, Yang J, Song G. The Journal of Surgical Research. 2024;294:198-210. doi:10.1016/j.jss.2023.08.029.
  8. Men and Women Differ in the Biochemical Composition of Platelet-Rich Plasma. Xiong G, Lingampalli N, Koltsov JCB, et al. The American Journal of Sports Medicine. 2018;46(2):409-419. doi:10.1177/0363546517740845.
  9. Variability in Platelet‐Rich Plasma Preparations Used in Regenerative Medicine: A Comparative Analysis. Tey RV, Haldankar P, Joshi VR, Raj R, Maradi R. Stem Cells International. 2022;2022:3852898. doi:10.1155/2022/3852898.
  10. The Application of Thermal Oscillation Method to Augment the Effectiveness of Autologous Platelet Rich Plasma in Treating Elderly Patients With Knee Osteoarthritis. Chen CPC, Hsu CC, Huang SC, et al. Experimental Gerontology. 2020;142:111120. doi:10.1016/j.exger.2020.111120.
  11. Platelet-Rich Plasma in the Treatment of Musculoskeletal Disease in 2025 and Beyond. Rothrauff BB, Featherall JT, Uppstrom TJ, et al. The American Journal of Sports Medicine. 2026;54(8):2058-2074. doi:10.1177/03635465251395284.
 
I charge $717 for a genicular RFA, and alliteration aside, it is a poorly performing procedure post TKA, and probably has little to no effect pre TKA.

I have a win every once in a while, but as a whole, it is not a great procedure and if I am an insurance company I am definitely not paying for it.
 
Widely varying results reported. I found the vast majority of patients did well, even post TKA. I remember one woman pain free after three years post RFA. I think she had neuritis from TKA and the RFA changed her life.

As far as "burning a knee", I told all my patients the same thing. Your knee will continue to deteriorate but who cares if it doesn't hurt or mechanically lock up. Eventually a surgeon will take a saw, cut it off, and it will end up in the garbage. After the genicular diagnostic block I would tell my patients when they got off the table to do a deep knee bend. The amazed look on their faces as they did was priceless.
 
I stopped doing this years ago. Before the new target/techniques were developed and before insurance stopped covering. It was all the classic 3 locations with wide/broad area of burning. Results from the blocks were almost always amazing. Results from the Rfa was inconsistent at best.

I also work for a massive orthopedic group and have no desire to be a haven for failed knees. Combine that with the above and yeah… I’m out.
 
I have done these for about 9 years and the failures are inconsistent to me. It's one of the more reliably beneficial joint RFAs compared to shoulders or hips, and maybe even lumbar facets.

I do cooled and often throw in a fourth for that superiomedial if there is significant anterior patellar pain or residual pain after the blocks at the 3 locations.

Normally I'm a bit more proximal on the genu and a little closer to 65% posterior on the lateral than the 50-55. I aspirate effusions first and will make sure the lateral looks near text book with well aligned condyles before I begin the burn.
 
I have done these for about 9 years and the failures are inconsistent to me. It's one of the more reliably beneficial joint RFAs compared to shoulders or hips, and maybe even lumbar facets.

I do cooled and often throw in a fourth for that superiomedial if there is significant anterior patellar pain or residual pain after the blocks at the 3 locations.

Normally I'm a bit more proximal on the genu and a little closer to 65% posterior on the lateral than the 50-55. I aspirate effusions first and will make sure the lateral looks near text book with well aligned condyles before I begin the burn.
So you’re doing Coolief or Iovera? You’re not doing traditional RFA?
 
that study shows that platelets are lower in the elderly; it does not study whether the regenerative factors are as effective in the elderly.

it seems like it is even more buyer beware for doing regenerative treatments in this population.



Knee Surg Sports Traumatol Arthrosc. 2026 Aug;34(8):3052-3065.
doi: 10.1002/ksa.70487. Epub 2026 Jun 26.

Cell-based therapy injections for the management of knee osteoarthritis: The ESSKA-ICRS consensus. Recommendations using the RAND/UCLA appropriateness method for different clinical scenarios​


Abstract​

Purpose: The aim of this consensus was to develop evidence/expert-based patient-focused recommendations on the appropriateness of intra-articular point-of-care (POC) cell-based therapy (CBT) injections in different clinical scenarios of patients with knee osteoarthritis (OA).

Methods: The RAND/UCLA Appropriateness Method was used by European experts of the European Society of Sports Traumatology, Knee Surgery and Arthroscopy (ESSKA) and the International Cartilage Regeneration and Joint Preservation Society (ICRS) to reach a consensus and produce recommendations for specific patient categories, combining best available scientific evidence with the collective judgement of a panel of experts.

Results: A total of 144 scenarios were developed based on five factors: cell source (bone marrow vs. adipose tissue), age (<50 vs. 50-65 vs. 66-80 vs. >80 years), joint involvement (prevalent tibio-femoral vs. patello-femoral), OA level (Kellgren-Lawrence [KL] Grade 0-I vs. II-III vs. IV) and body mass index (BMI) (<18.5 vs. 18.5-35 vs. >35 kg/m2). Following two voting rounds, agreement was reached for all 144 (100%) scenarios: the indication was considered appropriate in 11.8%, inappropriate in 34.7% and uncertain in 53.5%. The parameters with the highest appropriateness were OA Grade II-III (35.4% appropriate scenarios), age <50 years (22.2% appropriate) and BMI 18.5-35 kg/m2 (20.8% appropriate). The parameters with the highest inappropriateness were age >80 years (88.9% inappropriate), OA grade IV (62.5% inappropriate) and BMI > 35 kg/m2 (50.0% inappropriate).

Conclusions: This ESSKA-ICRS expert consensus provides recommendations on the appropriateness of cell-based injectable therapies for knee OA. POC-CBT may be considered, after failure of other non-operative and injectable options, in patients aged ≤65 years with BMI ≤ 35 kg/m2 and KL Grade II-III OA. Unlike bone marrow-derived CBT, adipose-derived CBT was also considered appropriate in patients 66-80 years old with BMI 18.5-35 kg/m2 and KL Grade II-III OA. On the other hand, CBT was considered inappropriate in patients over 80 years old and in those with KL Grade IV OA. These findings may help improve patient selection, although they should not be interpreted as a rigid treatment algorithm but rather as expert-informed guidance for the use of POC-CBT in knee OA.

Level of evidence: Level I.
Keywords: RAND/UCLA; cell‐based therapy; consensus; injection; knee; mesenchymal stromal cells; osteoarthritis.
© 2026 European Society of Sports Traumatology, Knee Surgery and Arthroscopy.

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How much are Nimbus needles and what generators do they work with?
Nimbus works with any generator with adapters as they don't have their own RF generator they sell. I want to say their disposable single use were in the 150 range.
 
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I'd want to see the full study before forming a strong opinion. The abstract says no functional improvement and no sustained relief beyond 3 months. That's disappointing but not surprising. RF ablation has always been hit or miss. Some patients do great. Others get nothing. Maybe the right candidates aren't being selected. But if the meta-analysis is solid, it's hard to argue with
 
I have done these for about 9 years and the failures are inconsistent to me. It's one of the more reliably beneficial joint RFAs compared to shoulders or hips, and maybe even lumbar facets.

I do cooled and often throw in a fourth for that superiomedial if there is significant anterior patellar pain or residual pain after the blocks at the 3 locations.

Normally I'm a bit more proximal on the genu and a little closer to 65% posterior on the lateral than the 50-55. I aspirate effusions first and will make sure the lateral looks near text book with well aligned condyles before I begin the burn.
without derailing the thread too much, what are you burning for hips? I didnt know there was a target and I always feel bad for patients with persistent pain post THA
 
without derailing the thread too much, what are you burning for hips? I didnt know there was a target and I always feel bad for patients with persistent pain post THA

I use two spots (as described in literature), with two burns at each spot about 1 cm apart (since technique and anatomy not well studied, I assume I need large burn to account for anatomic variation).

Anterior approach. Femoral sensory branches are at 12 o'clock on rim of acetabulum. Obturator branches are deep, at the superior aspect of the lateral ischium, right before it meets pubis (deep and ouchy).

N=3 for me, but 2 of them really liked it and ended up with repeats later. They all had pretty gnarly hips though, such a post-traumatic OA after intra-articular fractured, but too young for THA.

Interestingly, there's also a posterior denervation technique for the trochanteric branches of femoral nerve for GTPS. Done it a few times, but I much prefer orthobiologics here.

Persistent pain post THA is often iliopsoas or GTPS so might be worth a diagnostic injection there first.
 
I do the two targets described by @FSQT and will add in the nerve to the GTB if they have significant lateral hip pain.

It's another joint best done with large lesions and the incisura target is challenging with the femoral being superficial. The Avanos videos are nice for it.

Anyone doing tenotomy for GTB issues?
 
I use two spots (as described in literature), with two burns at each spot about 1 cm apart (since technique and anatomy not well studied, I assume I need large burn to account for anatomic variation).

Anterior approach. Femoral sensory branches are at 12 o'clock on rim of acetabulum. Obturator branches are deep, at the superior aspect of the lateral ischium, right before it meets pubis (deep and ouchy).

N=3 for me, but 2 of them really liked it and ended up with repeats later. They all had pretty gnarly hips though, such a post-traumatic OA after intra-articular fractured, but too young for THA.

Interestingly, there's also a posterior denervation technique for the trochanteric branches of femoral nerve for GTPS. Done it a few times, but I much prefer orthobiologics here.

Persistent pain post THA is often iliopsoas or GTPS so might be worth a diagnostic injection there first.
And you bill it how?
 
Internally cooled electrodes or Trident/Nimbus style. Conventional RF is hard for these and isn't very durable unless you've got a large volume burn going
This is key I think. The nerves are too variable to reliably hit with traditional RF lesions. You need a large cooled lesion to consistently get it

And how did you get so knowledgeable with interpreting stats and data? I took stats in college but didn’t get much out of it. Any quick and interesting ways to learn it note out of college?