NEW Interview with ICOM

[grapp]

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Hi everyone,

I'm writing an article and am having a meeting later today with Dr. Robert Hasty, the Founding Dean and Chief Academic Officer of the new Idaho College of Osteopathic Medicine.

I am developing some questions myself, but I am asking help from the community for things you would all want to know. This is a time sensitive matter, so ideally I'd like this to be answered within the next 4-5 hours if possible.

All comments and questions are greatly appreciated, I hope to hear from you all soon about questions you may have.

 

[grapp]

@Goro
You might be a great person to ask some questions.

 

[Goro]

What kind of clinical rotations will they have?

How will their grads obtain residency in an environment where at least 10 new med schools will be opening?

How are they going to prepare students for a patient population that is older, fatter and sicker?

How much OMT will their students be trained in? More than just lip service?

Does Idaho have enough quality students to fill a class?

 

[grapp]

What kind of clinical rotations will they have?

How will their grads obtain residency in an environment where at least 10 new med schools will be opening?

How are they going to prepare students for a patient population that is older, fatter and sicker?

How much OMT will their students be trained in? More than just lip service?

Does Idaho have enough quality students to fill a class?

Could you define OMT for me Goro?

Please and thank you! 🙂

 

[kelminak]

Could you define OMT for me Goro?

Please and thank you! 🙂

Osteopathic manipulative treatment, one of the defining things about a DO school. Have you looked into what an osteopathic school is?

 

[IslandStyle808]

What hospitals have offered their support if the school is created?

Will residency programs be created?

In what fields will these residency programs be in (ex. internal medicine, surgery, OBGYN, pediatrics, family medicine....)?

Will these clinical rotations (done during 3rd year and 4th year) be under residency programs?

Will their be strong push for students to have research opportunities, both clinical (in a hospital) and basic sciences (in a lab)?


These are the heavy hitter questions that can determine how strong this school will be in the future. OP if you need clarification of what these questions mean let me know.

 

[Goro]

One more: what effect will the ACGME/AOA residency merger have? How specifically will it effect your grads if you do not open new residency programs?

 

[Dr. Death]

Report back the answers to these questions. I'm very interested

 

[grapp]

Report back the answers to these questions. I'm very interested

This will be put into an article, I will update everyone once it's been approved by the editorial board. I've notified a staff member of SDN and requested that the editorial board expedite the process so I can give everyone the news. Thank you for your interest. 🙂 Interview is in 2 hours, plus I have to type it up.

 

[grapp]

One more: what effect will the ACGME/AOA residency merger have? How specifically will it effect your grads if you do not open new residency programs?

Added to my list of questions.

 

[grapp]

What hospitals have offered their support if the school is created?

Will residency programs be created?

In what fields will these residency programs be in (ex. internal medicine, surgery, OBGYN, pediatrics, family medicine....)?

Will these clinical rotations (done during 3rd year and 4th year) be under residency programs?

Will their be strong push for students to have research opportunities, both clinical (in a hospital) and basic sciences (in a lab)?


These are the heavy hitter questions that can determine how strong this school will be in the future. OP if you need clarification of what these questions mean let me know.

I've got all of these already on there. 😉

 

[grapp]

Osteopathic manipulative treatment, one of the defining things about a DO school. Have you looked into what an osteopathic school is?

I have looked into what an Osteopathic med school is. I was unaware of the abbreviation as being OMT.

 

[Goro]

OMM is a variation of OMT.

I have looked into what an Osteopathic med school is. I was unaware of the abbreviation as being OMT.

 

[DrMikeP]

A challenging question might be: What steps are you taking to make sure your opening another DO school not be seen as another step toward the DO becoming viewed as a diploma mill type of degree?

 

[jojo58]

Another DO school? Sure why not. I don't fear the inevitable glut since matching to a residency program will become the new "toughest part" of medical school. My future 6-figure paycheck is safe so I can't hate on people pursuing their dreams no matter how poorly qualified they are.

Right now American grads are pretty much guaranteed a residency in something if they aren't total idiots because there are more slots than applicants. Getting in is the toughest part of medical school because (again) applicants outnumber slots.
However this will change drastically as schools proliferate and continuously pump out 150+ grads each year. Surprisingly we can count on the government to save our profession. The number of GME slots is tied to federal funding and not capitalist market forces. This makes it hard for new residencies to open up and the new choke point on the path to being a physician will inevitably become obtaining a residency. Thus we will be saved from the glut that has destroyed pharmacy and law.

 

[dreee]

Why is it a problem having a new DO school open up? There's a new MD school opening in S FL. That would be the 8th MD school in the state. Why would opening another DO school make the DO program look like a degree mill?

A challenging question might be: What steps are you taking to make sure your opening another DO school not be seen as another step toward the DO becoming viewed as a diploma mill type of degree?

 

[grapp]

I'm working on the article now, all I have to say is this wasn't a typical guy... Perhaps one of the smartest people I've ever met, answered everything and further.

This has actually been in the works since 2014, a majority of the faculty has been selected. First steps into opening up many residencies, including clinical rotations for all the of the popular specialties for sure. Surgery, will be included. More to come with the article.
@Goro
@IslandStyle808
@kelminak

 

[Goro]

Just remember that deans are paid to lie.

 

[Catfish-Cupcake]

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[DrMikeP]

Why is it a problem having a new DO school open up? There's a new MD school opening in S FL. That would be the 8th MD school in the state. Why would opening another DO school make the DO program look like a degree mill?

That new MD school at the DO school is bringing into question if that University is creating a degree mill. A ton of new do schools are popping up and even on sdn the question of degree mills is being raised as not all are doing what is best for the student to become a lic professional. Much like the Caribbean schools.

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[dreee]

Ahh I see. I didn't realize this was becoming a trend with more schools arising.

That new MD school at the DO school is bringing into question if that University is creating a degree mill. A ton of new do schools are popping up and even on sdn the question of degree mills is being raised as not all are doing what is best for the student to become a lic professional. Much like the Caribbean schools.

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[DrMikeP]

Ahh I see. I didn't realize this was becoming a trend with more schools arising.

The huge issue with more schools is the need for quality training sites. Then if the sites are all-over how does the school monitor quality. Also do they offer research, building residencies (how are those funded?), etc

Psychology went through a phase of massive growth in schools and some for profits were so bad they couldn't get accredited. That meant no opportunity for licensure so the schools sold themselves as useful to business, as researchers, etc but in reality they were worthless. Even some accredited psych progs (even at univ that also have meds schools) have put out so many students they've saturated local markets and lack quality training sites. 30% of doctor psych grads can't find internship placement. There is a legit fear the same may happen with some med programs.

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[dreee]

The huge issue with more schools is the need for quality training sites. Then if the sites are all-over how does the school monitor quality. Also do they offer research, building residencies (how are those funded?), etc

Psychology went through a phase of massive growth in schools and some for profits were so bad they couldn't get accredited. That meant no opportunity for licensure so the schools sold themselves as useful to business, as researchers, etc but in reality they were worthless. Even some accredited psych progs (even at univ that also have meds schools) have put out so many students they've saturated local markets and lack quality training sites. 30% of doctor psych grads can't find internship placement. There is a legit fear the same may happen with some med programs.

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Hmm, you would think since the need of doctors is increasing, there would be a larger focus on creating more training sites. I'll be honest, I haven't started looking into the system of med school, residency, future changes to medicine and what that could mean for me, etc. until after I was accepted. I still have more research to do.

 

[DrMikeP]

Hmm, you would think since the need of doctors is increasing, there would be a larger focus on creating more training sites. I'll be honest, I haven't started looking into the system of med school, residency, future changes to medicine and what that could mean for me, etc. until after I was accepted. I still have more research to do.

I had the fortune of being involved in such through my hospital and university. The various professional groups are worth joining on Facebook to help get you exposed to upcoming challenges we will face. I'm a big advocate of being politically active for our profession as our profession is getting squeezed from many sides and public support for doctors is abysmal.

 

[costales]

Just remember that deans are paid to lie.

And if that doesn't work out, there is always potato farming.

 

[Dr. Death]

I'm working on the article now, all I have to say is this wasn't a typical guy... Perhaps one of the smartest people I've ever met, answered everything and further.

This has actually been in the works since 2014, a majority of the faculty has been selected. First steps into opening up many residencies, including clinical rotations for all the of the popular specialties for sure. Surgery, will be included. More to come with the article.
@Goro
@IslandStyle808
@kelminak

Is it done yet?!!??!

 

[grapp]

Is it done yet?!!??!

Yes, it's done. I've sent it off to the Student Doctor Network who I always send it to. It will proceed to the editorial board, once accepted. I did some final touch ups with Dr. Hasty the other night to ensure it was 100% accurate.

Thank you for your patience.

 

[grapp]

And if that doesn't work out, there is always potato farming.

Never heard that one before. 😉

 

[kelminak]

@grapp Hit me up when your article is published to make sure I don't miss it, I'm looking forward to it. Sorry if I sounded snappy early: I was just being bitchy. <3

 

[Oh_Gee]

Hi everyone,

I'm writing an article and am having a meeting later today with Dr. Robert Hasty, the Founding Dean and Chief Academic Officer of the new Idaho College of Osteopathic Medicine.

I am developing some questions myself, but I am asking help from the community for things you would all want to know. This is a time sensitive matter, so ideally I'd like this to be answered within the next 4-5 hours if possible.

All comments and questions are greatly appreciated, I hope to hear from you all soon about questions you may have.

do they have to learn cranial?

 

[grapp]

@grapp Hit me up when your article is published to make sure I don't miss it, I'm looking forward to it. Sorry if I sounded snappy early: I was just being bitchy. <3

No problem, I'll update the whole forum. I'm sending you a message so your in my recently sent so I can remember.

 

[grapp]

do they have to learn cranial?

Already conducted the interview and have sent my transcript to the Editorial Board.