New Medical Schools

[James105]

What are schools that have begun in the last 5 years?

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[HW51Revisited]

Oakland University's medical school was accredited in 2007

Edit: Forgot to mention Touro-COM as well; first class enrolled in 2007

 

[denco88]

What are schools that have begun in the last 5 years?

Hofstra University
William Carey College of Osteopathic Medicine

 

[Overmjnd]

Oakland University's medical school was accredited in 2007

Edit: Forgot to mention Touro-COM as well; first class enrolled in 2007

When I read this I thought you were talking about Oakland CA, aka weed capitol of California. I was like, oh hey, a school dedicated to training all the recent 'questionable' doctors in the state.

 

[ModerateMouse]

Another new one: Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine and Research Institute

 

[HW51Revisited]

When I read this I thought you were talking about Oakland CA, aka weed capitol of California. I was like, oh hey, a school dedicated to training all the recent 'questionable' doctors in the state.

A medical school in Oakland, California would be interesting to say the least. Fortunately, this particular program is in Michigan

 

[Tappinfool66]

The Commonwealth Medical College (TCMC) accepted its first class in the fall of 2009. It's in Scranton, PA.

 

[spacemanxxx]

Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center Paul L Foster Scool of Medicine-El Paso

 

[honkeypot]

New Jersey is opening another allopathic school. The first class is slated to start in September of 2012 at Cooper Medical School of Rowan University.

 

[JKinSC]

University of Central Florida just opened a med school in the last year or two. And VCOM will open a new campus in Spartanburg, SC in 2011.

 

[IDreamtIChased]

The only one I know of is Hofstra. They're only accepting 40 though.

 

[Catalystik]

Western University of Health Sciences/COMP Northwest, in Lebanon, Oregon starts a class in 2011. King College School of Medicine in NE Tennessee (Bristol and/or Kingsport) is slated to open fall 2012. Western Michigan University SOM will be in Kalamazoo. Central Michigan U SOM will be in Mt Pleasant, opening fall 2012. Riverside in California is another one for fall 2012. Merced will open 2013 in California. U South Carolina will open a campus in Greenville. Florida Atlantic U will be in Boca Raton fall 2011. And Connecticut plans the Quinnipiac U SOM in North Haven.

 

[ozzi22]

ucf

 

[Stephannie]

Florida Atlantic University Medical School in Boca Raton, Florida opening in Fall 2011

 

[Potatoman1800]

Fiu

 

[mtbtx]

New medical schools are completely irrelevant with out new residencies as well. Unfortunately its not happening...

 

[courtnes]

New medical schools are completely irrelevant with out new residencies as well. Unfortunately its not happening...

People like to talk about how new schools are useless without more residency slots a lot, but the fact of the matter is, if you rock the USMLE 1/2 and do well in your clerkships (because new schools are generally going to be developing clerkships at hospitals with educational programs - take for instance Virginia Tech Carilion doing rotations at Carilion Clinic hospitals which have been taking UVA students for years), even out of a new school, you're going to be able to match.

Before you start ranting about available residencies, consider this, too: there are more residency slots per year than there are allopathic graduates per year, and with any new medical school opening, it will be four years before they graduate anyone so residency programs will have at least that much lag time to grow.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

New medical schools are completely irrelevant with out new residencies as well. Unfortunately its not happening...

You do realize a lot of residencies go unfilled every year right? Those medical schools will be pushing out a lot of much needed PCP's. It's the plan more or less, more MD's = higher competitiveness for specialists = more people going into primary care. It's a very good way of getting more people into primary care.

 

[Telomeres]

I believe the University of Arizona, Phoenix campus, started approximately 4 years ago

 

[Brachyury]

You do realize a lot of residencies go unfilled every year right? Those medical schools will be pushing out a lot of much needed PCP's. It's the plan more or less, more MD's = higher competitiveness for specialists = more people going into primary care. It's a very good way of getting more people into primary care.

Except that increasing the number of medical school graduates will not change the number of PCPs. When people say ‘residencies go unfilled,’ they mean there are residencies that have not been filled by a US MD, but these residencies will be filled by a DO or IMG. In the status quo, most US MDs choose to enter non-primary care residencies, but there is no shortage of DOs and IMGs who are willing to take the remaining primary care residencies. Therefore, by only increasing the number of US MDs, we will not increase the number of primary care physicians in this country, but rather all we will do is push more US MDs into residencies that would have otherwise been filled with a DO or IMG. This logic is similar to that of the underpants gnomes on South Park: Step I: increase the number of US Allopathic spots then Step II and then Step III: have more physicians.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Except that increasing the number of medical school graduates will not change the number of PCPs. When people say ‘residencies go unfilled,' they mean there are residencies that have not been filled by a US MD, but these residencies will be filled by a DO or IMG. In the status quo, most US MDs choose to enter non-primary care residencies, but there is no shortage of DOs and IMGs who are willing to take the remaining primary care residencies. Therefore, by only increasing the number of US MDs, we will not increase the number of primary care physicians in this country, but rather all we will do is push more US MDs into residencies that would have otherwise been filled with a DO or IMG. This logic is similar to that of the underpants gnomes on South Park: Step I: increase the number of US Allopathic spots then Step II and then Step III: have more physicians.

So what you're saying is that under a constant an increased number of people will have no effect? Lets break this down, example: there are 200 spots for neurovasular surgery and this year there are 20 more people then there are spots. 20 will fail to get into those residencies and possibly be forced to scramble. There is a hierarchy a less competitive MD's who could have gotten away with getting into a competitive specialty will now see that it is unlikely for them to match into { insert competitive residency}. Thus they will intelligently opt for less competitive residencies or 2nd choices. Now apply this wave of logic to thousands and you have a lot more people going into primary care.

 

[Brachyury]

So what you're saying is that under a constant an increased number of people will have no effect? Lets break this down, example: there are 200 spots for neurovasular surgery and this year there are 20 more people then there are spots. 20 will fail to get into those residencies and possibly be forced to scramble. There is a hierarchy a less competitive MD's who could have gotten away with getting into a competitive specialty will now see that it is unlikely for them to match into { insert competitive residency}. Thus they will intelligently opt for less competitive residencies or 2nd choices. Now apply this wave of logic to thousands and you have a lot more people going into primary care.

A few things: neurovascular surgery is a fellowship, so if you don't match into a fellowship, you just start working, and if you really want that fellowship, you apply again

If you are applying into a very competitive residency, you usually apply to more than one type of residency (i.e. plastics people apply to gen surgery as a back-up, and derm apply to IM/gas as a back-up, and they rank all the plastics/derm positions first, and then their back-ups at the end of their list). If you had the numbers/research/personality to be competitive for rads/derm/plastics in the first place, you should be able to scramble into an unfilled position in general surgery/IM/Gas. In fact, some IM and gas programs manipulate their rank lists so that they have a few unfilled spots, which they will be able to fill with unmatched derm and plastics applicants

Anyhow, the point of my original post was to point-out that most residencies are actually filled. Will a by-product of not increasing the number of residencies mean it will be more difficult to match into a specialty? Yeah. Is this a problem? Not necessarily: part of the process of medical school is realizing what interests you (i.e. what you thought was cool as a pre-med turns out to be boring), and understanding your limits/possibilities (i.e. with your grades and Step I score, what do you actually stand a chance of matching into, and coming to terms with that decision)

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Let me point out that it doesn't matter what residency I said. I stated it as an arbitrary example of an absurd specialty which I would assume doesn't really exist. I probably should have said neuroproctolgical surgery instead as it seems. You're right there are backups, which is my point exactly, eventually you get down to the lower chain of applicants who will realize that their best shot is their 2nd choice. It's a hierarchy simple as that.
I understand your point and I agree you figure out in your 3rd and 4th year what is interesting and etc. But you still need to fight for that residency. If you add 1,000 more applicants you undoubtedly make things a bit harder for the other MD's. It's a constraint, things have to give somewhere.

But hey, I might be looking at this in the wrong light. I'm looking at it as if it were a economic situation in the real world. In situations under a constraint a lot of people settle and try to look for the best road without too much uphill battling.

 

[BeachBlondie]

Back to thread at-hand...

Scripps (in San Diego) will be opening a new medical school with an inaugural class planned for 2013. It will be EXCLUSIVELY MD/PhD.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

So what you're saying is that under a constant an increased number of people will have no effect? Lets break this down, example: there are 200 spots for neurovasular surgery and this year there are 20 more people then there are spots. 20 will fail to get into those residencies and possibly be forced to scramble. There is a hierarchy a less competitive MD's who could have gotten away with getting into a competitive specialty will now see that it is unlikely for them to match into { insert competitive residency}. Thus they will intelligently opt for less competitive residencies or 2nd choices. Now apply this wave of logic to thousands and you have a lot more people going into primary care.

you completely missed the point, it being that filling primary care residencies with bodies is not a significant problem right now due to DO/IMG. without a corresponding increase in residency spots, all MD expansion does is a) increase competition among MD grads and b) push more people into residencies/specialties they don't want.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

you completely missed the point, it being that filling primary care residencies with bodies is not a significant problem right now due to DO/IMG. without a corresponding increase in residency spots, all MD expansion does is a) increase competition among MD grads and b) push more people into residencies/specialties they don't want.

I understand that point. I'm just saying putting more MD's out is a method of increasing the number of PCP's. Filling those residencies isn't what I was hoping to address, but that we still have a major deficiency of them.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

I understand that point. I'm just saying putting more MD's out is a method of increasing the number of PCP's. Filling those residencies isn't what I was hoping to address, but that we still have a major deficiency of them.

no it's not, did you not read my post? all it can do is increase the number of MD PCPs.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

no it's not, did you not read my post? all it can do is increase the number of MD PCPs.

I did, I was reiterating my position. Anyways you're trying to state that increasing MD PCP's isn't going to have a large affect because mostly DO's and IMG's take those positions. Well the ratio of MD to DO is like 10 : 1? And IMG's aren't going to be as lucky in the next matches. So I'm confused how increasing the number of MD PCP's =/= the point.

 

[cautiousvampire]

Hmm, this seems like it needs its own thread....

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I did, I was reiterating my position. Anyways you're trying to state that increasing MD PCP's isn't going to have a large affect because mostly DO's and IMG's take those positions. Well the ratio of MD to DO is like 10 : 1? And IMG's aren't going to be as lucky in the next matches. So I'm confused how increasing the number of MD PCP's =/= the point.

The point is simple.

MD, DO, or IMG/FMGs going into PC specialties are all the same. They will all be PCPs.

If you increase MDs into the pool, effectively reducing FMGs/IMGs from the pool, and the number of PC spots remains the same, you are having the same # of PCPs pumped into practice. The moment you increase spots to accommodate, the more PCPs will be pumped out.

This tactic of increasing MD and DO schools is effectively to increase the AMG presence in primary care.

However, You will always have some undesirable program that takes the remaining few FMGs/IMGs, hence also attempting to fill spots that normally do not fill. That may (I hope) be serenade's point about increasing PCPs.

 

[MCAT guy]

The point is simple.

MD, DO, or IMG/FMGs going into PC specialties are all the same. They will all be PCPs.

If you increase MDs into the pool, effectively reducing FMGs/IMGs from the pool, and the number of PC spots remains the same, you are having the same # of PCPs pumped into practice. The moment you increase spots to accommodate, the more PCPs will be pumped out.

This tactic of increasing MD and DO schools is effectively to increase the AMG presence in primary care.

However, You will always have some undesirable program that takes the remaining few FMGs/IMGs, hence also attempting to fill spots that normally do not fill. That may (I hope) be serenade's point about increasing PCPs.

I don't recall where I read this, but aren't some of the IMG/FMGs leaving the country after finishing residency? So an increase in MD PCPs could be advantageous in some ways for PC.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

The point is simple.

MD, DO, or IMG/FMGs going into PC specialties are all the same. They will all be PCPs.

If you increase MDs into the pool, effectively reducing FMGs/IMGs from the pool, and the number of PC spots remains the same, you are having the same # of PCPs pumped into practice. The moment you increase spots to accommodate, the more PCPs will be pumped out.

This tactic of increasing MD and DO schools is effectively to increase the AMG presence in primary care.

However, You will always have some undesirable program that takes the remaining few FMGs/IMGs, hence also attempting to fill spots that normally do not fill. That may (I hope) be serenade's point about increasing PCPs.

Bingo. I'll agree with Blaugh's point that it is just increasing the US MD presence, but only after a point where the amount of unfilled pc residencies becomes very low. Afterward the only way to increase the number of pcp is by increasing the amount of residencies themselves... though doing that in the first place might be a good idea.