Ah, sorry I think I might've blown that out of proportion a bit. I forgot Neurology had advanced positions and AOA programs were still transitioning into the NRMP match 4 years ago. It looks like when adjusted for decreased advanced spots and AOA positions it's only growing at 5-7% a year.
Ah it is cynical, and not meant to be taken 100% literal. But even jokes have some truth in them. The jester is often the only one telling the truth. I am suspicious of your rural rotations if you never experienced what I was talking about, cause it’s common.
You coming at me bro? You scared to quote on the interwebs ? Lol, don’t worry home slice I will gladly refer you some diabetic feet if you make It to pod school still, I don’t hold grudges. Someday you’ll grow out of that white knight armor and realize your way up tight. I doubt you’ll ever meet me tho, I think we hang in different circles.
Lol at a DO dean being mature. You have much to learn. You will tho. A bit of free advice: it’s always your fault, no matter what it is. Accepting that makes your life easier at DO school. The more you argue the more they stomp. And for clarity, I am sadly a bit serious about the last part, don’t argue, keep your head down, it’s the only way through sometimes.
I have been only preaching individual responsibility to our other colleagues. Trust me bruh, I know how this system works; it’s the others who blame their school,system,environment,etc are only screwing themselves in the long term.
It won’t be the poorer stats people at first it will be those who fail boards who don’t match at all. As for mid-upper IM, the competition will be fierce for that kind of spot when you get there. I think lower Academic will still be open, but the upper part will not be unless your a strong candidate (good research and appropriate scores). Gen surgery will still be open via former AOA to the 600+ crowd. However non DO will be dicey just as it has always been, you will have to work to match that. A 240 with an audition will probably get it done even in 5 years.
You never met a sued doc? I thought you were 4th? Either way, the lawsuit thing does happen and they are frivolous.
You have the right mentality, just control what you can control.
Wanting to live in the country is different from wanting to work in the country.
Valid point. I am currently at the bottom of the food chain and have not rotated through rural areas like you have, however I have faith in humanity and believe I can build a good rapport with patients. I know I am naive, which makes me not naive? Whatever. I’ll deal with it when I get there.
You're beating around the bush. People are leaving middle america and small towns. That's simply the case, and I don't particularly care why, although it's obvious to most (except maybe for those who don't understand hyperbole....). Any new school claiming rural interests is doing so disingenuously unless they put their money were their mouths are and offer tons of scholarships and low tuition fees for those that stay. Wonder why we don't see that.
Oh, the sky is always falling on SDN, especially when self-loathing DO students are involved. Despite the mindless proliferation of DO schools currently, it won't affect you.
While this may be true, at the same time the last few years have seen some seriously good matches on the DO side at traditional MD programs (ie optho at brown, Ohio state, Michigan Uro, psych etc, Neurosurgery at UMMC) a lot of mid tier- lower tier IM programs actually have DO’s so if you have the scores and work ethic you can definitely match at these. Upper tier IM programs are gonna be hard but who cares! Places like Cleveland Clinic IM and mayo have taken DO’s too
I agree 1000%. If anything, we are seeing DOs kick open the doors each year and match lists keep on getting more impressive (well, I can think of a few schools where they're not). What is even more amazing that even int he uber-residencies, like Interventional Rads, Urology, Ophthalmology, and their ilk, the numbers of DOs gaining residency slots are increasing at the rate of ~5% per year. These are not due to the simple transition of AOA -> ACGME. Granted, these are only single digits of people, but each year since roughly 2015 or so, the number sare increasing.
Absolutely, I seriously think that the more the candidate looks like an MD applicant( research, board scores and working with prominent people in the field 4th and or 3rd year who will vouch for the candidate in a letter of rec) for a uber residency PD’s will interview and rank you despite the DO and this has to be a positive sign for DO’s going forward looking to match in those specialties. The former AOA programs are there too!
I loved it, I am rolling over here.
You trying to go for Optho bro?
This is really vague for a specific example.
How’d the interview season going for you? Assume your a DO, heard some good optho matches from DO schools
Two sides to your observation.
What's more, I don't really think you can blame people for this, nor will it ever go away. People from top-tier MD schools will look at a roster of residents from low-tier MD schools as a negative, people from low-tier MD schools will look at rosters full of DOs as a negative, and DOs look at rosters filled with IMGs as a negative. Human bias will never disappear and I think trying to pretend it will, or ignore it, is just childish.
The 20-30% rate from last year is lower because out of the very few number of DO applicants a bunch of them dropped out of the sf match when they matched in the aoa, so realisticly like 5-6/10-11 or so people matched in the SF match so yea around 50%, not great but not as bleak as 20-30%
PDs on SDN have specifically mentioned the fear that their program will somehow be "tainted" in the eyes of elitist MD candidates.
