Next step for 24 MCAT & 3.5 GPA???

i think Georgetown has an MCAT cutoff

You dont need a post-bac or SMP; you need to improve your MCAT score. If you feel you can do that by studying for the next few months then do that. But remember this is your third time around and not only do schools frown upon 4+ MCAT you need special permission to take it after the third time. So if you are unsure you can do well on the MCAT after a few months of studying, take the year off and study.

Really though, a few months of studying should be sufficient. Your verbal score tells me that your major weakness is in your knowledge base so it is not as if you will have to spend months really improving your technique. Have you taken an MCAT prep course? Those can really help, if you have the $.

 

I agree . . . you just need to score higher on the MCAT. No need to do a SMP program or postbac. Other than that, your overall application is awesome! Also, applying at the end of July isn't too late, IMHO.

Take as much time as you need to study, if it's in 6 months, so be it. I wouldn't take the MCAT later than late July, early August if you want to apply this cycle.

Don't work in research if you don't enjoy it. Since you already have research experience, find a job that really interests you

Lastly, med schools will see all previous MCAT attempts from 1993 and after even if they are "expired". Schools are the ones who deem scores "expired", not AAMC or AMCAS.

Good luck

 

Actually you don't need special permission anymore since the CBT. You can take the test up to 3x per year. Maybe try a test prep and register for the july or aug test, and if you don't fair well in practice tests you can change the test date. G'luck

 

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Your call, but I would focus on the MCAT (not plural). Everyone is expected to have clinical experience. Doesn't really matter if you have 100 hours, 1000 hours or 10000 hours of clinical experience. What matters is what you get out of it. You can have all the clinical experience in the world, and at the very least that says you have a general idea of what medicine is like. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you'll perform well in med school. Hence, the importance of GPA and MCAT. If you enjoy clinical experiences then by all means do it. But don't let it affect your MCAT score or GPA.

Improve your MCAT. I'm assuming you are applying to MD schools. The average MCAT score for admitted students is a 28-30. If you are in California, then you're looking at 32-34. Of course it should be a nice spread too. Ideally, you want a 9-10 in VR. A 9-10 in other sections. If you are a science major then a 10-12 is probably better. Obviously the higher the better in all aspects. It must also be noted that the new CBT VR has a smaller margin of error. However the "curve" may alter this viewpoint a bit, but there are about 6 passages, rather than 9. Less questions to miss. Conversely less to read and suffer through too.

SMPs, especially Georgetown's program is quite competitive. Therefore I would focus on improving my MCAT, and if possible getting into an SMP. But its hardly a problem if you don't get into an SMP. As others have stated, the MCAT is a huge issue here. Especially with a 7 on the verbal. An 8 is probably average, but you're looking at 9+ to be "competitive" these days.

There is no such thing as a "decent" GPA. Even a 4.0 does not guarantee admissions. GPA and MCAT are not interchangeable. Doing well in one does not make up for being deficient in the other. Most schools treat undergrad GPA and MCAT equally for this reason. Therefore I wouldn't rely on your GPA or anything else for that matter. You are not trying to win over the adcom. You are competing against the next best applicant. My undergraduate students have stats that send shivers down my back. Good GPA (3.6-3.8), good MCAT scores (31-34), and extracurriculars that boggle the mind. One plays sports at the NCAA Division I level, while doing medical aid missions in 3rd world countries several times a year (yes, this student misses class, but still gets a 3.8). Thousand of hours of clinical experience here in the US, research with my lab, and they have publications. Of course we're in California too, so these kids have to be like this just to compete for the limited spots at the UC med schools. However they will apply at other schools in the US.

So will they get into med school? Probably. But not because of their numerous EC's. EC's can always be embellished. Adcoms can't confirm experiences like GPA or MCAT scores. Therefore they take it as a grain of salt. However if you get an interview, then they can surely ask about your research to see if you weren't a washer of glassware. They can look at letters of rec from your PI, or mentor, etc to confirm other experiences. The key to my students success is their diverse EC's COMBINED with excellent MCAT/GPAs. So take that for what you will.

The question that comes to my mind is why didn't you take the time to study hard in the first place? We all know this is not a trivial exam. Statistically speaking, taking it a second time, and third time may not significantly improve your score. Many SDNers will profess that the verbal reasoning is a pain to improve, even by 1 point. Therefore you should ask yourself, realistically, how many more points can you improve by. You need another 4 points to match the median scores that admitted students are getting. Ultimately it may be more important for you to figure out why you are getting below average MCAT scores. Lots of self reflection here...believe me...i've done it.

Research should be done because you like it, not because you think its going to help you get into med school. 86-90% of the students that get into our med schools here in CA have research experience. To what extent, I do not know, but its kinda given these days to have research experience. What sets everyone apart is what kind of research you do, and how meaningful the experience was (e.g., publications, presentations, etc).

They will see every single exam you took. Even if its expired. You're not only obligated to show the med schools, but AAMC reports EVERY score. Recall your MCAT print out shows all your scores on that strip of paper. AMCAS/med schools will see the same thing. Even voided exams will show up. Exams that are >3 years old acceptable for admission (as in having taken the exam). However to some extent or another, it doesn't look good to take the exam more than 3 times. Just like retaking a class 3 times .

 

What is going on with your MCAT? There is a serious disconnect between a decent GPA at what you say is a highly-selective school and low 20's on the MCAT. Do you have test-taking issues? Is your school not strong in science? Is there serious grade inflation there?

 

Absolutely, you should. If the MCAT is your problem, fix that, regardless of whether you attend a formal academic program, or not. Address your problem directly. It's largely a myth that one element can make up for a deficiency in another.

FWIW, don't you need at least a 28 MCAT to get into the G'town SMP program? SMP's are, in my opinion, specifically designed for folks who need to prove themselves academically (i.e., lower UGPA).

There is some test-taking issue here. Do what you can to get to the bottom of it. Use all of your resources, including tutors who rocked the MCAT and have a lot of experience diagnosing test-taking issues. Basically, this problem doesn't end with your MCAT. The medical school process is a long one and you have to take many more tests like the MCAT. If you don't correct your problem now, it'll only serve to continue to bite you in the a$$.

Good luck!

 

I don't know. Perhaps someone here can chime in on that? I do know that Kaplan, and probably the other major test prep companies, offer tutors. They are expensive, but worth it for something that will impact you for many years to come. If they can't help you, they may be able to direct you to another resource that can.

Also, keep in mind that studying hard doesn't always help you. It didn't help me that much. You need to study intelligently. A diagnostic will suggest to you in what areas you are weak and you should direct your study to those areas. In your case, it may not be a lack of general knowledge, but a deficiency of sound test-taking skills, such as the ability to quickly digest complex text for what is vital, draw from your external knowledge to interpret graphs, data, or formulae, to answer the questions effectively. It may be that you are falling into the traps that the test sets up for you. It could be a timing/pacing issue. I don't know. That's why you need some good feedback from a knowledgeable source who has observed you.

 

Just so you know, the Georgetown SMP *might* let someone in with a 24, but Georgetown med doesn't accept people from the SMP with less than a 27 even if they end up with a 4.0 in the SMP. You could still be accepted to other med schools after the SMP, but I thought that was an important point that is not made clear to applicants.

I agree with others that your GPA is OK. Your MCAT is what you should focus on, and a $1,500 Kaplan course is a lot cheaper than Georgetown's SMP. Your section scores are pretty balanced, so I don't think it should be too hard to improve by 2 points per section. A 30+ MCAT could really help.


edit: I didn't see before that you have already taken Kaplan twice. Perhaps try Examcrackers instead? Hmm, this is a tough one.

 

Umm, sorry to be a little pessimistic, but given the amount of studying you put into the MCAT already (Kaplan 2x!), what makes you think you can bring your scores up to 30 this time? I don't understand why you wouldn't consider DO. It's certainly better than no medical school and with your stats I don't see allopathic happening.

 

If you really want an MD and can't get your MCAT score any higher, you can always try Caribbean schools.

SGU has a great tradition of being able to match students into good residencies. I have a friend that graduated from SGU this year and matched into Orthopaedic Surgery.

Your MCAT is just a little low but your GPA is right where it needs to be. However, with your background, I'd bet good money that you would get in.

Here are the average stats for SGU:

GPA
Undergraduate - 3.4
Undergrad. Sci. - 3.3
Graduate - 3.4
MCAT
Verbal - 8
Phys. Sci. - 9
Bio. Sci. - 9

http://www.sgu.edu/website/SGUWebSite.nsf/som/student-statistics-docofmedicine.html#FirstTermEntrantsMed

 

Kind of a shame, cause you would have probably gotten accepted to a few of them if you applied. But everyone has their preference and that's cool.

Just hope you didn't decide that for the wrong reasons.