NIH-MSTP Oxford/Cambridge Program

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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone here has looked into or interviewed for this program. What was your opinion of it? Did anything really good or really bad stand out? Would it be too grueling be moving to a different place every 2 years or so?

For those in their PhD/later years, how well regarded in the US is graduate training in biomedical sciences at Oxford or Cambridge? I am interested in cancer immunology (GvL...). Have you heard that there are any drawbacks, or really good things about the British system of graduate training (no classes, 3 year target PhD, no paper requirements)?

Basically, through this program you would do 2 years of medical training at an MSTP you get accepted to. Then, you would do 3-4 of graduate training through a collaboration between the NIH and Oxford or Cambridge. This collaboration can either be setup by youself, or be preexisting. After getting your DPhil/PhD at Oxford/Cambridge, you would return to the MSTP school to finish your medical training.

As a side not, I thought I saw a thread on this a while back in the forum, but i guess the forums only save the first 2 pages? Mods, Maybe this can be changed?
 
Mods, Maybe this can be changed?

That's probably in your display options. If you scroll down to the bottom of the forum list you should have options to display all threads (from the "beginning"), not just for some date range (say "last 60 days"). As for this program on the med school side, how many schools will actually let you do this? There aren't many that will even let you go to the NIH, let alone another University in another country!
 
That's probably in your display options. If you scroll down to the bottom of the forum list you should have options to display all threads (from the "beginning"), not just for some date range (say "last 60 days"). As for this program on the med school side, how many schools will actually let you do this? There aren't many that will even let you go to the NIH, let alone another University in another country!

Sweet thanks. I guess I'll continue in this thread since its already open.

The app process works this way - you apply to MSTP schools and the NIH-MSTP and NIH GPP Oxford/Cambridge programs. If you gain acceptance to MSTP schools and the NIH-MSTP and GPP Oxford/Cambridge programs, then you can enter this program. Since the program is new, MSTP directors are still sort of new to it, and only some schools do it - so you tell the NIH-MSTP/OxCam director your choices of MSTPs for medical training, and there will be some negotiations with the MSTP director at your med school of choice.

I know that Mount Sinai, Harvard, WashU, and UCSD and a couple others do it, so there might not need to be negotiations for that. If you attend the program, the NIGMS will fund an additional slot for you at the MSTP program where you do medical training.

I found most of the info here: http://www.aamc.org/members/great/meetings/siegel_06.pdf

Neuro, do you have any opinion on British graduate training and the reputation of Ox/Cam training in the US?
 
Neuro, do you have any opinion on British graduate training and the reputation of Ox/Cam training in the US?

Nope, I know too little about this to even comment.

Though about the topic at hand, the only other thread I can think about that discusses it is a recent thread here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=355346 Though this thread is more about doing the PhD at the NIH than abroad...
 
Gvl,

This program is very new. I think the first official class entered this year or the year before, so most people do not know that much about the program. A PI at NIH was trying to recruit me to do the program in his lab, so I have done a lot of research about the program. Due to how new the program is, it is really difficult to get any info on the program. The people running the program are not even experts on how the program will work as it is so new. I spent over an hour discussing the program with people running the program, and this was rather apparent during the conversation. I am still rather confused on how the program works. From my conversations, I concluded that setting up the medical school side of things is difficult. At that institution you are considered a medical student and you take a leave of absence for a few years to do the NIH/foreign program. The discouraging thing to me was that you are not treated as a MD/PhD student at your medical school. It seems that there is no integration of the degrees in this program. NIH tries to but you experience none of this with the medical school. It sounded as if you were pretty much getting each degree separately without the benefits of the integration of the education that is supposedly present in some of the traditional programs.

In terms of the European institutions, from my knowledge they are viewed highly. As you mentioned, there are less requirements to get the degree typically. I think NIH has added more graduation requirements to get the European degree through GPP. I was told this but I am not completely sure if this was for MD/PhD students or PhD only students (it all runs together now). You also have to pick your research area in advanced, since you are not permitted to rotate.

I would strongly suggest that you contact the program to get more information, and please tell us what you find out.
 
Sweet thanks. I guess I'll continue in this thread since its already open.

The app process works this way - you apply to MSTP schools and the NIH-MSTP and NIH GPP Oxford/Cambridge programs. If you gain acceptance to MSTP schools and the NIH-MSTP and GPP Oxford/Cambridge programs, then you can enter this program. Since the program is new, MSTP directors are still sort of new to it, and only some schools do it - so you tell the NIH-MSTP/OxCam director your choices of MSTPs for medical training, and there will be some negotiations with the MSTP director at your med school of choice.

I know that Mount Sinai, Harvard, WashU, and UCSD and a couple others do it, so there might not need to be negotiations for that. If you attend the program, the NIGMS will fund an additional slot for you at the MSTP program where you do medical training.

I found most of the info here: http://www.aamc.org/members/great/meetings/siegel_06.pdf

Neuro, do you have any opinion on British graduate training and the reputation of Ox/Cam training in the US?

I forgot to mention a few things in my previous post. From my conversation, it sounded like you only needed to be excepted to the MD program at the institution you select to do your MD from. You do not need to be accepted to the MSTP program to do the European GPP programs. The lady I talked had only been there a week, so I would check this out with the program. They seem to really push the international programs over domestic partnerships.

If you do a domestic program, you have to be accepted to both the GPP and the MSTP at that institution. They also highly recommended that you go through an existing partnership. The major problem with this is that a lot of the partnership institutions do not have MSTP funding (Brown, Georgetown, Georgewashington, etc). According to the person I talked to, they will not pay for your MD if you go to a non-MSTP program. You would need to look at the specific program you are interested in. I do not think they have really thought about this negative aspect, as it discourages people from pursuing large fields such as neuroscience (Brown) and infectious disease (Montana- do not even have med school!).

Most of the schools theoretically will participate in the program (only three will not at this time from what I was told). Only time will probably tell if this is true.
 
I forgot to mention a few things in my previous post. From my conversation, it sounded like you only needed to be excepted to the MD program at the institution you select to do your MD from. You do not need to be accepted to the MSTP program to do the European GPP programs. The lady I talked had only been there a week, so I would check this out with the program. They seem to really push the international programs over domestic partnerships.

No, from what I know you actually have to be accepted by the MSTP, if you want to do the MSTP through Oxford/Cambridge and NIH and the MSTP medical school

If you do a domestic program, you have to be accepted to both the GPP and the MSTP at that institution. They also highly recommended that you go through an existing partnership. The major problem with this is that a lot of the partnership institutions do not have MSTP funding (Brown, Georgetown, Georgewashington, etc). According to the person I talked to, they will not pay for your MD if you go to a non-MSTP program. You would need to look at the specific program you are interested in. I do not think they have really thought about this negative aspect, as it discourages people from pursuing large fields such as neuroscience (Brown) and infectious disease (Montana- do not even have med school!).

Most of the schools theoretically will participate in the program (only three will not at this time from what I was told). Only time will probably tell if this is true.
 
No, from what I know you actually have to be accepted by the MSTP, if you want to do the MSTP through Oxford/Cambridge and NIH and the MSTP medical school

Again, the person I talked to at NIH was very new to the program; thus they were not very knowledgeable on the details of the program. They were telling me lots of conflicting information about the program during our hour+ conversation, so I am skeptical about what I listed in this previous post.

It might be the case that you have to be accepted to the MSTP to do medical school at that institution. Its not very logical as you would probably declining that acceptance, since you are only doing the MD there. The person I talked to did make it clear that if you did the international program, you are not considered to be MSTP by the med school. You would only be considered MSTP in the eyes of the European institution and NIH. This is supposedly not the case if you do a domestic program. If you call the program and they give you contrasting information, I would love to hear it. I too am interested in the program, but I received too much conflicting information from people running the program to get an idea about how things really work.

If what you are saying is the case, I would feel bad for the MSTP program involved. As people said in the last thread regarding this topic, it would really screw over the domestic MSTP program involved.
 
i only read that pdf briefly about the program, but i am very confused. I think it may be due to studying too much for a pharm test I have tomorrow at 7:30am. can someone please explain the point of this program?
 
This is the first time I've heard of an MSTP-NIH/Oxbridge program, but the NIH/Oxbridge program alone isn't new. The handful of people I know who have done NIH/Oxbridge joint programs seem to have a good experience. I would say it's particularly useful for students who want to build on pre-existing collaborations between PIs.
 
Ok, to clarify for everyone I have gotten some info.

This is how the admissions process works:

You apply to the NIH-MSTP and NIH GPP Oxford/Cambridge programs, and simultaneously apply to MSTP schools. If you are accepted to the NIH-MSTP AND the NIH Ox/Cam programs, you then wait to hear back from MSTP schools.

Based on your acceptances to MSTP schools, you make a list of the schools you would want to do your medical training at. Then, you submit this list to the NIH-MSTP program. Then, you yourself contact the MSTP school and ask them if they will be willing to participate in this program and fund you through the med school years (some of them will be familiar with it so no real explanation is necessary - Harvard, WashU, Mount Sinai, UCSD, and some others.)

The MSTP programs will give you a yes/no on whether they will fund you. They -do- have some incentive to fund you, as the NIGMS will fund an additional MSTP slot for their program, meaning they can pick up another MSTP student.

If you do get funding and participation from the MSTP program, that program will fund you through MS1-MS4. The NIH will fund you during your summer rotations and your PhD work at the NIH and Oxbridge.

Since you will most likely get funded by the MSTP school, you -do- get to participate as a medical student in the MSTP program. This means you are -not- treated as a medical student who's taking a leave of absence after the first two years. You will enjoy the same benefits (MSTP events, MSTP specific classes, reduced rotations, any PhD integrations during the medical school years etc.) as other MSTP students at the school if you get the funding OK from the school.

After you get admissions and the OK from your MSTP school of choice, you then proceed to choose mentors at the NIH and Oxbridge. You'll spend a week sometime that spring flying to the NIH and Oxbridge to firm up who you'll work with for your PhD. This means that you're not really going to get a rotation to choose your advisors (though there is some last resort leeway should you need to change advisors). You do a mini rotation that summer before MS1 to get things started in the lab so that you can easily pick a PhD topic. Between MS1 and MS2, you do another rotation at the lab. At the end of the summer, you write up a research proposal, which you will follow through on after MS2.

move2west - basically, if you get acceptance to (1) the NIH-MSTP, (2) the NIH Ox/Cam GPP, and (3) a US MSTP school, and you get the participation OK from (3), you do not need to worry about funding issues, or program integration issues.

Hope this helps for people who're interested. Let me know if there are any questions, I might or might not have the answer.
 
They -do- have some incentive to fund you, as the NIGMS will fund an additional MSTP slot for their program, meaning they can pick up another MSTP student.

Good post, but I would like to clarify that the additional MSTP slot may only be used for the GPP student's MD training. Therefore, the school cannot "pick up another MSTP student". And because the NIH tuition reimbursement does not cover the full cost of tuition, the program/school has to make up the difference. Perhaps these seem like small points, but some deans see it as a loss of $50-80,000 in potential tuition revenue for each GPP student they take. This issue may limit the growth of the MSTP GPP at some point.

It should also be noted that an individual can choose to engage in the research phase from the outset, leading to the completion of the PhD before taking any MD classes.
 
Ok, to clarify for everyone I have gotten some info.

This is how the admissions process works:

You apply to the NIH-MSTP and NIH GPP Oxford/Cambridge programs, and simultaneously apply to MSTP schools. If you are accepted to the NIH-MSTP AND the NIH Ox/Cam programs, you then wait to hear back from MSTP schools.

Based on your acceptances to MSTP schools, you make a list of the schools you would want to do your medical training at. Then, you submit this list to the NIH-MSTP program. Then, you yourself contact the MSTP school and ask them if they will be willing to participate in this program and fund you through the med school years (some of them will be familiar with it so no real explanation is necessary - Harvard, WashU, Mount Sinai, UCSD, and some others.)

The MSTP programs will give you a yes/no on whether they will fund you. They -do- have some incentive to fund you, as the NIGMS will fund an additional MSTP slot for their program, meaning they can pick up another MSTP student.

If you do get funding and participation from the MSTP program, that program will fund you through MS1-MS4. The NIH will fund you during your summer rotations and your PhD work at the NIH and Oxbridge.

Since you will most likely get funded by the MSTP school, you -do- get to participate as a medical student in the MSTP program. This means you are -not- treated as a medical student who's taking a leave of absence after the first two years. You will enjoy the same benefits (MSTP events, MSTP specific classes, reduced rotations, any PhD integrations during the medical school years etc.) as other MSTP students at the school if you get the funding OK from the school.

After you get admissions and the OK from your MSTP school of choice, you then proceed to choose mentors at the NIH and Oxbridge. You'll spend a week sometime that spring flying to the NIH and Oxbridge to firm up who you'll work with for your PhD. This means that you're not really going to get a rotation to choose your advisors (though there is some last resort leeway should you need to change advisors). You do a mini rotation that summer before MS1 to get things started in the lab so that you can easily pick a PhD topic. Between MS1 and MS2, you do another rotation at the lab. At the end of the summer, you write up a research proposal, which you will follow through on after MS2.

move2west - basically, if you get acceptance to (1) the NIH-MSTP, (2) the NIH Ox/Cam GPP, and (3) a US MSTP school, and you get the participation OK from (3), you do not need to worry about funding issues, or program integration issues.

Hope this helps for people who're interested. Let me know if there are any questions, I might or might not have the answer.

Thanks for the info.

Did they stress that you would need to go through an existing GPP partnership when you called? They did to me a few months ago, but I am curious of this is typically the case. I am a neuroscience nut, so this is not an option to me. Now that they had a few months to figure out how the program works, I should probably call them again.

Thanks again for the info Gvl
 
Good post, but I would like to clarify that the additional MSTP slot may only be used for the GPP student's MD training. Therefore, the school cannot "pick up another MSTP student". And because the NIH tuition reimbursement does not cover the full cost of tuition, the program/school has to make up the difference. Perhaps these seem like small points, but some deans see it as a loss of $50-80,000 in potential tuition revenue for each GPP student they take. This issue may limit the growth of the MSTP GPP at some point.

Is this considered as big of a problem if the student is interested in doing a domestic GPP program vs the international (e.g. MD at school X and PhD at school X and NIH)? In this case the school is getting at least a few years of research out of the student and it does not take up one of the school's MSTP spots. Anyone have thoughts on this?
 
Good post, but I would like to clarify that the additional MSTP slot may only be used for the GPP student's MD training. Therefore, the school cannot "pick up another MSTP student". And because the NIH tuition reimbursement does not cover the full cost of tuition, the program/school has to make up the difference. Perhaps these seem like small points, but some deans see it as a loss of $50-80,000 in potential tuition revenue for each GPP student they take. This issue may limit the growth of the MSTP GPP at some point.

Hold on, I'm confused. I was told on my interview by the NIH director that the MSTP would get another funded slot. Since essentially, I would be turning down the MSTP's normal offer, they can give my spot to another student. And then the additional funded slot will partially fund MD education. Any way you slice it, it look like the MSTP institution gets to accept one more student that isn't me. Am I missing something?
 
Hold on, I'm confused. I was told on my interview by the NIH director that the MSTP would get another funded slot. Since essentially, I would be turning down the MSTP's normal offer, they can give my spot to another student. And then the additional funded slot will partially fund MD education. Any way you slice it, it look like the MSTP institution gets to accept one more student that isn't me. Am I missing something?

I think it works like this. Let's say the MSTP normally has 10 slots. If you join their program as a Ox/Cam GPP student, the NIGMS will fund 1 more slot for the GPP students MD. So that is still 10 normal slots, and one "MD" slot.

You, the one "MD" slot, aren't really counting as one more student (from the perspective of some MSTP directors), since you will not be contributing your PhD time at the MSTP school. On top of that, the one "MD" slot doesn't cover your full tuition, so the program takes a hit.

maebea, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean that if an MSTP program takes one of these Ox/Cam GPP students per year, they will take a 20,000 hit every year?
 
Thanks for the info.

Did they stress that you would need to go through an existing GPP partnership when you called? They did to me a few months ago, but I am curious of this is typically the case. I am a neuroscience nut, so this is not an option to me. Now that they had a few months to figure out how the program works, I should probably call them again.

Thanks again for the info Gvl


all this information is specific to the Oxford/Cambridge GPP program and NIH-MSTP program.

this info could be incorrect for a domestic GPP partnerships done with the NIH-MSTP or for a Oxbridge GPP done without the NIH-MSTP.

but, if you're a neuro nut, I'm pretty sure Oxford (or Cambridge for that matter) could be a cool place for you.
 
I think it works like this. Let's say the MSTP normally has 10 slots. If you join their program as a Ox/Cam GPP student, the NIGMS will fund 1 more slot for the GPP students MD. So that is still 10 normal slots, and one "MD" slot.

You, the one "MD" slot, aren't really counting as one more student (from the perspective of some MSTP directors), since you will not be contributing your PhD time at the MSTP school. On top of that, the one "MD" slot doesn't cover your full tuition, so the program takes a hit.

maebea, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean that if an MSTP program takes one of these Ox/Cam GPP students per year, they will take a 20,000 hit every year?

Ok, this makes sense. Thanks.
 
I think it works like this. Let's say the MSTP normally has 10 slots. If you join their program as a Ox/Cam GPP student, the NIGMS will fund 1 more slot for the GPP students MD. So that is still 10 normal slots, and one "MD" slot.

You, the one "MD" slot, aren't really counting as one more student (from the perspective of some MSTP directors), since you will not be contributing your PhD time at the MSTP school. On top of that, the one "MD" slot doesn't cover your full tuition, so the program takes a hit.

maebea, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean that if an MSTP program takes one of these Ox/Cam GPP students per year, they will take a 20,000 hit every year?

Yep, it is all a matter of perspective. Technically, a program does get to accept another student, but the MSTP GPP student is not really a full-fledged MSTP student, making the same contributions to the institution as regular MSTP students. A program can view the MSTP GPP as just a med student that they happen to be paying somewhere in the neighborhood of $20k annually (for uncovered tuition and possibly stipend) during the MD training. One of the justifications for paying this out for regular MSTP students is that they contribute to the institution's research enterprise during the PhD phase. The MSTP student's productivity in lab translates into more papers published, more grant money for the PI and more indirect cost money for the dean. This is not really the case with the MSTP GPP students. So, from a strictly financial pov, it is not a great deal. A broader perspective might argue that the MSTP GPP student does contribute some intangible benefits to the institution, and by participating in the program, a school furthers its mission of training physician-scientists. This is the point we have made to our dean, and he seems supportive (so far).

I do believe, however, that the dean would shoot down any proposal to support a student who wishes to do the GPP at a domestic institution (which is likely to be a direct competitor for students). This may seem a bit contradictory, but schools do compete with one another, and generosity of spirit (and purse) only goes so far.
 
I do believe, however, that the dean would shoot down any proposal to support a student who wishes to do the GPP at a domestic institution (which is likely to be a direct competitor for students). This may seem a bit contradictory, but schools do compete with one another, and generosity of spirit (and purse) only goes so far.

I am confused at what you mean by this. From my conversations with GPP people (who knows how accurate based off this thread), a person doing a domestic program would stay at the same institution for both the MD and the PhD(minus the couple years at NIH). I was under the impression that you could not do the MD at one institution and the PhD at another institution+NIH while being in the GPP program. It sounds like you are referring to this last instance. Do you think a dean would shoot down a proposal that involved a student doing the MD at their school and the PhD at both their school and NIH?
 
No. I meant that we would not allow the MSTP student do their PhD at another US institution, whether under the banner of the GPP or anything else. We only permit extramural doctorates through the Oxbridge-NIH partnership.
 
No. I meant that we would not allow the MSTP student do their PhD at another US institution, whether under the banner of the GPP or anything else. We only permit extramural doctorates through the Oxbridge-NIH partnership.

can i ask which school you are at?
 
I would prefer not to say, as the cloak of anonymity (thin tho' it may be) affords me a bit more freedom to express my views. Also, I receive quite a few pm's asking advice on specific situations. I worry that SDNers might be less likely to ask my advice if they knew who I was. I do not try to figure out who other posters are, though sometimes it is very obvious (like when you use your own name or post a picture of yourself).

I go all the way back to 2001, when Original started the MSTP Boulevard. Like many of you, I lurked for some time before I started to post. I've met a lot of you in person; some of you are probably in my program. I admire this forum for the (generally) civil tone and thoughtfulness that goes into the posts. Not to be hating on the MDs, but there is a definite difference between most premeds and those aspiring to MD-PhD training.
 
Why didn't you interview me?! WHY?!?! 😡

:laugh:

Just kidding, you'd probably get a bazillion PMs if people knew who you were. Like, "How can I get accepted to your program" or "What was wrong with my app?" I get it for Penn constantly and I don't even have any say in such things.
 
You were thatclose to an interview. Give us another shot at getting it right when you apply for residency.
 
So...

I am trying to decide between the NIH-MSTP Oxford Program and the UPenn MSTP program. I really loved UPenn when I interviewed there, but I think the NIH-MSTP Oxford Program is hard to pass up, especially when you get to go abroad.

Any thoughts/help would be appreciated!
 
So...

I am trying to decide between the NIH-MSTP Oxford Program and the UPenn MSTP program. I really loved UPenn when I interviewed there, but I think the NIH-MSTP Oxford Program is hard to pass up, especially when you get to go abroad.

Any thoughts/help would be appreciated!

What is your field of interest? I would find people at both schools that you are interested in working with and then look up their publication records on pubmed. You have two great reputable programs now, so you can start basing your decision off non-academic things like location too.

Oxcam program, to me, feels a bit disjointed because you never spend more than two years in one place. If that's your style, then Oxcam is a great way to see the world and get a MD/PhD too. If you want to raise a family, settle in one place, or own a house, this is not the program for you.
 
What is your field of interest? I would find people at both schools that you are interested in working with and then look up their publication records on pubmed. You have two great reputable programs now, so you can start basing your decision off non-academic things like location too.

Oxcam program, to me, feels a bit disjointed because you never spend more than two years in one place. If that's your style, then Oxcam is a great way to see the world and get a MD/PhD too. If you want to raise a family, settle in one place, or own a house, this is not the program for you.


Thanks for your words of advice.

I'm an immuno/infectious disease or immuno/cancer guy. I've found people at both places that I think I would fit well in (more people at NIH than UPenn of course because of the sheer number of investigators. Oxford...I haven't found as many people as Penn, but might not be looking in the right places).

Yah, one of the things I'm struggling with is whether I want to settle down in one place or keep moving around a bit. I have no attachments right now...but who knows what'll happen.

Do you think there will be any differences in reputation between these two programs/or any other impacts on future employment opportunities?
 
So...

I am trying to decide between the NIH-MSTP Oxford Program and the UPenn MSTP program. I really loved UPenn when I interviewed there, but I think the NIH-MSTP Oxford Program is hard to pass up, especially when you get to go abroad.

Any thoughts/help would be appreciated!

I saw above that you are currently at NIH. I am currently there too (have not applied yet). I imagine it will be difficult to leave NIH for the "real world" where money does not grow on trees. I am sure Penn would not be a large problem in terms of funding, but its would still be tough to get use to this. (You can not by 10 -80s at the end of the year just for the fun of it any more).

Would you stay with the same lab/project, if you attend NIH? If you were to do this, you might graduate more quickly.

If you have not had a large exposure to US academia research, it may be nice to do the Penn program. You will not see what it is like to be in academia at NIH and Oxford, and I imagine you will apply to these programs down the road. It would be nice to have an idea what you are getting into when applying for these positions, and you would definately not get this at NIH and abroad.

Good luck deciding!
 
Does anyone who applied know an offical website where this program is described (beside the one posted above)? I would love to find out more information if anyone knows how....
 
Does anyone who applied know an offical website where this program is described (beside the one posted above)? I would love to find out more information if anyone knows how....

http://gpp.nih.gov/Applicants/ProspectiveStudents/MSTPatNIH/
http://gpp.nih.gov/Applicants/ProspectiveStudents/MSTPatNIH/FAQsMSTP.htm

http://gpp.nih.gov/Applicants/ProspectiveStudents/Oxford/
http://gpp.nih.gov/Applicants/ProspectiveStudents/Oxford/FAQsOX.htm

http://gpp.nih.gov/Applicants/ProspectiveStudents/Cambridge/
http://gpp.nih.gov/Applicants/ProspectiveStudents/Cambridge/FAQsCAM.htm

The program is a combination of MSTPatNIH and either the Oxford or Cambridge program.

Unfortunately, the program is relatively new and there are many details that are not available on the official website. You can PM me and I'd be happy to answer some detail questions if I can, or you might try emailing them: http://gpp.nih.gov/UniversityPartners/ContactInformation.htm
 
I apologize for bumping this thread, but I'm wondering if anyone has recently applied to this program and can speak about their experiences with it.
 
I apologize for bumping this thread, but I'm wondering if anyone has recently applied to this program and can speak about their experiences with it.

I am in the program and posted a long description of it on here a while back that was stickied at one point. See if you can find it if not I'd be happy to give you my 2 cents.
 
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