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Hi, after reading so many state-related threads I've gotten confused.

I seem to be under the impression that private medical universities out of Texas tend to throw texan apps into the shredder (A little dramatic but I want to evoke the feeling I have), in order to protect themselves from wasting resources.
The line I often read here in sdn is:
"Why should we accept this guy from Texas, if he is going to end up going to a texan school which is cheaper."
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Isn't this quite bad for qualified applicants? Because Texas looks favorable to high gpas, even over high mcat scores.
So, if your gpa isn't high you won't hear from a texas med school, but at the same time you won't hear from out of state because you are texan?

Does this even make sense?
 
healingandsuch said:
Hi, after reading so many state-related threads I've gotten confused.

I seem to be under the impression that private medical universities out of Texas tend to throw texan apps into the shredder (A little dramatic but I want to evoke the feeling I have), in order to protect themselves from wasting resources.
The line I often read here in sdn is:
"Why should we accept this guy from Texas, if he is going to end up going to a texan school which is cheaper."
​
Isn't this quite bad for qualified applicants? Because Texas looks favorable to high gpas, even over high mcat scores.
So, if your gpa isn't high you won't hear from a texas med school, but at the same time you won't hear from out of state because you are texan?

Does this even make sense?
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My advice to Texans is not NOT apply OOS unless they are Stanford/Harvard class applicants.
 
healingandsuch said:
Hi, after reading so many state-related threads I've gotten confused.

I seem to be under the impression that private medical universities out of Texas tend to throw texan apps into the shredder (A little dramatic but I want to evoke the feeling I have), in order to protect themselves from wasting resources.
The line I often read here in sdn is:
"Why should we accept this guy from Texas, if he is going to end up going to a texan school which is cheaper."
​
Isn't this quite bad for qualified applicants? Because Texas looks favorable to high gpas, even over high mcat scores.
So, if your gpa isn't high you won't hear from a texas med school, but at the same time you won't hear from out of state because you are texan?

Does this even make sense?
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The facts speak for themselves. Only 232/4,515 TX residents matriculated OOS.
This makes them very low yield for OOS medical schools.

In contrast, 1,469/5,948 CA applicants had to go OOS.
 
Under Texas medical school residency rules, someone born in Texas and who spent his/her entire life in Texas up to college would NOT be a Texas resident if he/she attends a 4 year university outside of Texas and then takes, say, 2 gap years also outside of Texas unless (1) that person owns property in Texas and has has lived in Texas for 12 months prior to applying or (2) has a parent who lives in Texas and can claim him/her as a dependent for federal income tax purposes.

Given all that, how would an ad com regard a Texas born individual who attends a 4 year university outside of Texas - presumptively as a low yield Texan or presumptively as someone who isn't a low yield Texan?

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gyngyn said:
The facts speak for themselves. Only 232/4,515 TX residents matriculated OOS.
This makes them very low yield for OOS medical schools.

In contrast, 1,469/5,948 CA applicants had to go OOS.
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Chicken or egg? Do TX residents choose to stay in TX or are they forced to because OOS ad coms consider them to be low yield risks?
 
MyOdyssey said:
Under Texas medical school residency rules, someone born in Texas and who spent his/her entire life in Texas up to college would NOT be a Texas resident if he/she attends a 4 year university outside of Texas and then takes, say, 2 gap years also outside of Texas unless (1) that person owns property in Texas and has has lived in Texas for 12 months prior to applying or (2) has a parent who lives in Texas and can claim him/her as a dependent for federal income tax purposes.

Given all that, how would an ad com regard a Texas born individual who attends a 4 year university outside of Texas - presumptively as a low yield Texan or presumptively as someone who isn't a low yield Texan?

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haven't a clue
 
MyOdyssey said:
Chicken or egg? Do TX residents choose to stay in TX or are they forced to because OOS ad coms consider them to be low yield risks?
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The state of TX has specifically designed the current state of affairs.
1. They seceded from AMCAS.
2. They use taxpayer funds to underwrite a much larger proportion of the cost of attendance than just about anywhere.
3. By these means, they can require, by statute, that at least 90% of matriculants be residents of TX (a slight smaller proportion at Baylor).

These all led to a much smaller yield for OOS schools that might have wanted a TX applicant. You would have to be a pretty thick admissions dean to go more than a year or two without noticing the low yield (and AAMC Table 5-A). Thus, if the candidate doesn't have a strong reason to leave TX or you don't have a strong inducement, interviewing them is a waste of everyone's time.
 
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gyngyn said:
The state of TX has specifically designed the current state of affairs.
1. They seceded from AMCAS.
2. They use taxpayer funds to underwrite a much larger proportion of the cost of attendance than just about anywhere.
3. By these means, they can require, by statute, that at least 90% of matriculants be residents of TX (a slight smaller proportion at Baylor).

These all led to a much smaller yield (understandably). You would have to a pretty thick admissions dean to go more than a year or two without noticing the low yield (and AAMC Table 5-A). Thus, if the candidate doesn't have a strong reason to leave TX or you don't have a strong inducement, interviewing them is a waste of everyone's time.
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My point is that someone from Texas who spent 4-6 years in college outside of Texas has an uphill climb being regarded as a Texas resident by Texas medical schools. I laid out the criteria and they're very narrow. And yet, by virtue of a Texas connection earlier in life, OOS medical schools would treat someone like that as a TX resident while TX medical schools would treat that person as OOS.
 
MyOdyssey said:
My point is that someone from Texas who spent 4-6 years in college outside of Texas has an uphill climb being regarded as a Texas resident by Texas medical schools. I laid out the criteria and they're very narrow. And yet, by virtue of a Texas connection earlier in life, OOS medical schools would treat someone like that as a TX resident while TX medical schools would treat that person as OOS.
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Happily, one of the admittedly uncommon circumstances in which a TX resident might receive an OOS interview (as long as everything else is in order) is the one you describe.
I'm sure you can see that otherwise, interviewing TX applicants has been reduced not by OOS schools but by the state of TX...and largely to the benefit of TX.
 
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MyOdyssey said:
Chicken or egg? Do TX residents choose to stay in TX or are they forced to because OOS ad coms consider them to be low yield risks?
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Just from my social circle, the majority of my TX premed friends did not even bother applying to AMCAS schools other than dream reaches like a few in the T10 and of course Baylor. I think a lot of people do genuinely want to leave TX and broaden their horizons (probably were faced with a similar dilemma in high school where Tx schools were just so much cheaper and still pretty high quality) but at each step there are just very few material incentives to do so. The only people I know who left went to places like UCSF/Stanford/HMS/Hopkins.
 
gyngyn said:
Happily, one of the admittedly uncommon circumstances in which a TX resident might receive an OOS interview (as long as everything else is in order) is the one you describe.
I'm sure you can see that otherwise, interviewing TX applicants has been reduced not by OOS schools but by the state of TX...
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I just think the whole thing feeds into TX wanting its natives who are medical school eligible to return "home" whether nor not I wish for TX to be MY home, as opposed to my parents'. I don't blame OOS ad coms for focusing on the most qualified, most likely to yield candidates.
 
Lucca said:
Just from my social circle, the majority of my TX premed friends did not even bother applying to AMCAS schools other than dream reaches like a few in the T10 and of course Baylor. I think a lot of people do genuinely want to leave TX and broaden their horizons (probably were faced with a similar dilemma in high school where Tx schools were just so much cheaper and still pretty high quality) but at each step there are just very few material incentives to do so. The only people I know who left went to places like UCSF/Stanford/HMS/Hopkins.
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Did your friends who attended OOS medical schools also happen to have attended OOS undergrads?
 
gyngyn said:
The facts speak for themselves. Only 232/4,515 TX residents matriculated OOS.
This makes them very low yield for OOS medical schools.

In contrast, 1,469/5,948 CA applicants had to go OOS.
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Where did you find this statistic? Not questioning it, just curious.
 
gyngyn said:
Happily, one of the admittedly uncommon circumstances in which a TX resident might receive an OOS interview (as long as everything else is in order) is the one you describe.
I'm sure you can see that otherwise, interviewing TX applicants has been reduced not by OOS schools but by the state of TX...and largely to the benefit of TX.
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What would you say about a scenario in which one is mexican-born, recently immigrated, but given texan residency because of his port of entry.
 
healingandsuch said:
What would you say about a scenario in which one is mexican-born, recently immigrated, but given texan residency because of his port of entry.
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UiM applicants and MD/PhD candidates are not governed by the usual rules.
 
@gyngyn Sorry, I just found the stat I was asking about (the amount of texas residents that OOS matriculated). Would anyone happen to know when they'll update the 2017-2018 TMDSAS Final statistics?
 
cwt0502 said:
@gyngyn Sorry, I just found the stat I was asking about (the amount of texas residents that OOS matriculated). Would anyone happen to know when they'll update the 2017-2018 TMDSAS Final statistics?
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I had no idea that TX had its own separate set of stats! I have always relied on the AAMC data set (referenced above).
 
gyngyn said:
I had no idea that TX had its own separate set of stats! I have always relied on the AAMC data set (referenced above).
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Yeah its pretty interesting, they have a data representing that past ten years for the TMDSAS participating schools as well as the entering 2017 year. You can search TMDSAS's website and on the right hand side it has a section for statistics where you can see the information.

What is interesting is to see the change in acceptance for instate and applicant # pool from TMDSAS's 2017 data to AAMC 2018 data. The applicant pool size went up and the matriculants went down, dropping the overall acceptance rate for TX residents from 36.7% in 2017 to 33.1% for 2018 (according to AAMC). Thats also why I was curious to see when TMDSAS releases the entering 2018 year data to see if it is the same according to AAMC's info.
 
cwt0502 said:
Yeah its pretty interesting, they have a data representing that past ten years for the TMDSAS participating schools as well as the entering 2017 year. You can search TMDSAS's website and on the right hand side it has a section for statistics where you can see the information.

What is interesting is to see the change in acceptance for instate and applicant # pool from TMDSAS's 2017 data to AAMC 2018 data. The applicant pool size went up and the matriculants went down, dropping the overall acceptance rate for TX residents from 36.7% in 2017 to 33.1% for 2018 (according to AAMC). Thats also why I was curious to see when TMDSAS releases the entering 2018 year data to see if it is the same according to AAMC's info.
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It should be. They both have access to the raw data...
 
MyOdyssey said:
Under Texas medical school residency rules, someone born in Texas and who spent his/her entire life in Texas up to college would NOT be a Texas resident if he/she attends a 4 year university outside of Texas and then takes, say, 2 gap years also outside of Texas unless (1) that person owns property in Texas and has has lived in Texas for 12 months prior to applying or (2) has a parent who lives in Texas and can claim him/her as a dependent for federal income tax purposes.

Given all that, how would an ad com regard a Texas born individual who attends a 4 year university outside of Texas - presumptively as a low yield Texan or presumptively as someone who isn't a low yield Texan?

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You won’t lose TX resident status by going to college out of state. Working out of state for a couple of years might, if your parents are no longer in TX
 
gonnif said:
It is a problem that any student

its nearly irrelevant. Texas statute requires that at least 90% of students must be residents as defined by the legally stringent rules. In order to ensure they meet this, they usually admit at least 92% of Texas residents
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You must mean at least 92% of their admits are TX residents. That's different from what you wrote here.

My point is OOS ad coms don't have a copy of TX's legally stringent requirements for residency in front of them as they're rejecting applicants with a prior TX connection. They wouldn't know for sure whether someone who appears to be a TX resident is in fact one.
 
gyngyn said:
I had no idea that TX had its own separate set of stats! I have always relied on the AAMC data set (referenced above).
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The AMCAS data charts are awesome, and as this one above shows, 1494 Texans matriculate in TX and 232 out-of-state.
TMDSAS publishes stats that pertain only to the TMDSAS application system schools, here is the most recent chart (EY 2017).
It shows that for the TMDSAS schools, 93% of 2017 matriculants were Texans.

I have a feeling the TMDSAS data includes TCOM (osteopathic school) but excludes UIWSOM (AACOMAS app osteopathic school) and Baylor (AMCAS Texas MD school). This might be why the TMDSAS numbers of Texas IS matriculants don't quite match the AAMC numbers.
 

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wysdoc said:
The AMCAS data charts are awesome, and as this one above shows, 1494 Texans matriculate in TX and 232 out-of-state.
TMDSAS publishes stats that pertain only to the TMDSAS application system schools, here is the most recent chart (EY 2017).
It shows that for the TMDSAS schools, 93% of 2017 matriculants were Texans.
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Does AMCAS define "Texans" the same way as "TMDSAS"?
 
healingandsuch said:
What would you say about a scenario in which one is mexican-born, recently immigrated, but given texan residency because of his port of entry.
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Is the person a Mexican citizen?
If so, they would still be considered an International applicant to medical schools.
Texas colleges at times will let such immigrants be eligible to pay in-state tuition at college. This does NOT, however
1. Have any effect on their citizenship status, or
2. Allow them to be eligible for federal financial aid.
 
Goro said:
My advice to Texans is not NOT apply OOS unless they are Stanford/Harvard class applicants.
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Hi Goro, would this be the same for DO schools? I'm only applying to DO and a TX resident, so I wouldn't want adcoms to make the assumption that I am going to stay in TX 🙁
 
wysdoc said:
Is the person a Mexican citizen?
If so, they would still be considered an International applicant to medical schools.
Texas colleges at times will let such immigrants be eligible to pay in-state tuition at college. This does NOT, however
1. Have any effect on their citizenship status, or
2. Allow them to be eligible for federal financial aid.
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Mexican citizen, US resident, currently approved for naturalization.
 
healingandsuch said:
Mexican citizen, US resident, currently approved for naturalization.
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I highly recommend they wait to apply to med schools until they are officially a permanent resident (green card) if that is not the case now, or a naturalized US citizen. Official, not eligible. Once these official papers are in their hands, they can apply same as a US citizen.
 
AMeanOldAcid said:
Hi Goro, would this be the same for DO schools? I'm only applying to DO and a TX resident, so I wouldn't want adcoms to make the assumption that I am going to stay in TX 🙁
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DO schools do not discriminate in this manner. You want to come to us? We'll take you
 
Goro said:
DO schools do not discriminate in this manner. You want to come to us? We'll take you
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Are you serious?
From everything I've read about the DO profession I feel they want me to become a physician, as opposed to MD schools.
 
healingandsuch said:
Are you serious?
From everything I've read about the DO profession I feel they want me to become a physician, as opposed to MD schools.
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At my school at least, where a candidate lives has never been a subject for discussion in our Adcom meetings. We have several Texans in our class each year.
 
MyOdyssey said:
Under Texas medical school residency rules, someone born in Texas and who spent his/her entire life in Texas up to college would NOT be a Texas resident if he/she attends a 4 year university outside of Texas and then takes, say, 2 gap years also outside of Texas unless (1) that person owns property in Texas and has has lived in Texas for 12 months prior to applying or (2) has a parent who lives in Texas and can claim him/her as a dependent for federal income tax purposes.

Given all that, how would an ad com regard a Texas born individual who attends a 4 year university outside of Texas - presumptively as a low yield Texan or presumptively as someone who isn't a low yield Texan?

Asking for a friend ...
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Also asking for a friend...
 
Med Ed said:
Oops. See post #28.
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I guess I'm just wondering where they got "Under Texas medical school residency rules, someone born in Texas and who spent his/her entire life in Texas up to college would NOT be a Texas resident if he/she attends a 4 year university outside of Texas and then takes, say, 2 gap years also outside of Texas unless (1) that person owns property in Texas and has has lived in Texas for 12 months prior to applying or (2) has a parent who lives in Texas and can claim him/her as a dependent for federal income tax purposes."

I am a non traditional student and was not pre med at my OOS college so I was not thinking about med school when I also attended grad school OOS (even though I was rejected by Texas schools). While attending grad school I decided medicine was for me and have been working as a medical scribe for almost 2 years while attending school. All along I am still a Texas resident and my parents are from Texas but clearly I do not have much loyalty to Texas given I have spent the last 6 years of my education out of Texas.
 
gold42 said:
I guess I'm just wondering where they got "Under Texas medical school residency rules, someone born in Texas and who spent his/her entire life in Texas up to college would NOT be a Texas resident if he/she attends a 4 year university outside of Texas and then takes, say, 2 gap years also outside of Texas unless (1) that person owns property in Texas and has has lived in Texas for 12 months prior to applying or (2) has a parent who lives in Texas and can claim him/her as a dependent for federal income tax purposes."

I am a non traditional student and was not pre med at my OOS college so I was not thinking about med school when I also attended grad school OOS (even though I was rejected by Texas schools). While attending grad school I decided medicine was for me and have been working as a medical scribe for almost 2 years while attending school. All along I am still a Texas resident and my parents are from Texas but clearly I do not have much loyalty to Texas given I have spent the last 6 years of my education out of Texas.
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@gold42 this was kind of a question from @MyOdyssey and not a FACT.

If your primary reason for being out of state was education, and any jobs there were along the lines of internships & part-time jobs while studying, you will still be classified as a Texan for TMDSAS application purposes. If you stayed out of state after going to college there and took a full time job, and parents quit claiming you as a dependent on their taxes, that would be different.

There have been a lot of questions about TX residency lately so I am going to start a new thread about it sometime today.

Edited to add: Cruise over to the new thread here: Texas Residency Status: How Does TMDSAS determine it?
 
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gold42 said:
I guess I'm just wondering where they got "Under Texas medical school residency rules, someone born in Texas and who spent his/her entire life in Texas up to college would NOT be a Texas resident if he/she attends a 4 year university outside of Texas and then takes, say, 2 gap years also outside of Texas unless (1) that person owns property in Texas and has has lived in Texas for 12 months prior to applying or (2) has a parent who lives in Texas and can claim him/her as a dependent for federal income tax purposes."

I am a non traditional student and was not pre med at my OOS college so I was not thinking about med school when I also attended grad school OOS (even though I was rejected by Texas schools). While attending grad school I decided medicine was for me and have been working as a medical scribe for almost 2 years while attending school. All along I am still a Texas resident and my parents are from Texas but clearly I do not have much loyalty to Texas given I have spent the last 6 years of my education out of Texas.
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Have you been going to school full-time and scribing part-time or vice versa? Do you still have a Texas drivers license? Are you registered to vote in Texas?
 
Med Ed said:
Have you been going to school full-time and scribing part-time or vice versa? Do you still have a Texas drivers license? Are you registered to vote in Texas?
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I have been going to school full time and scribing part time and I do have a Texas drivers license, am registered to vote and pay Texas taxes.
 
MyOdyssey said:
What rules apply if a TX resident applies to OOS MD/PhD programs?
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MD/PhD programs do not consider state of residence when making decisioms, only permanent residency / citizenship status. An OOSer applying to Texas MD/PhD programs and a Texan applying to OOS MD/PhD programs are equivalent.
 
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