No acceptances, what now?

[toothbrushpjs]

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So I had 4 pre dec 1st interviews and haven't gotten into any of them. I thought I had great interview skills and would get at least one. I am totally crushed and I am wondering what to do now? Is anyone else in this boat?🙁

 

[blinktonheim]

same thing happened to me... im not sure what to do either

 

[Skogar]

exact same boat.

 

[RedDevilDDS]

May be the schools that you interviewed at are sending snail mails.

Don't lose your hope!

 

[triple seven]

God bless us...

 

[BearBrick]

According to PreDents, you interviewed at UNLV. Did you call ? They notify acceptances through snail mail, and Dr. Ancajas told us to call them today.

 

[toothbrushpjs]

I have an interview there in 2 weeks. Hopefully it goes well. I am still waiting from NYU snail mail, but I have really lost hope. USC was my top choice and I was in the first batch of interviews. I would love to take an acceptance from one of the people on SDN with 5 acceptances.

 

[FutureDent020]

This site can really crush you man. The people getting accepted are some of the top applicants around. And you can tell by there multiple acceptances. The majority of applicants get into 1 or 2 schools, and this does not have to be on December 1st. I know it's rough seeing all these people get accepted, but it's long from over.

 

[Smiley25]

Same Boat. Worse day ever! Had one interview and received an email today(which I totally thought was an acceptance letter, to make matter worse) stating that I will be reconsidered in March. MARCH?!?! I have literally been counting down the days from my Interview in September to December 1st. It has ALL I have been able to think about. Now I have to wait until MARCH to hear anything else. :-( Doesn't look like this is going to be a very merry Christmas after-all. But on a positive not I am very happy and thankful to be in the pool of applicants that will be reconsidered and not rejected.

 

[PreD]

I have an interview there in 2 weeks. Hopefully it goes well. I am still waiting from NYU snail mail, but I have really lost hope. USC was my top choice and I was in the first batch of interviews. I would love to take an acceptance from one of the people on SDN with 5 acceptances.

So from what I can tell, you have not been rejected from 2 of the schools yet:

NYU : No one seems to have gotten the mail in US
USC: It seems they only mail a few on Dec first and the rest come out Later.

What are the other two ?? Did you get rejection letter, email or ... from them ? I am guessing NOT 🙂

So Do not Panic. If you really get rejected from all 4 schools, then my guess would be that you have interview probelms and need to work on it.

 

[John Durian]

Similar situation for me, bro. I feel ya. Also 4 pre-December interviews and I got 1 rejection, probably 2 on the way, and 1 re-considering in January.

I got no calls/acceptances. Called the 2 on the way and told me to "wait for the letter." So it just sounds like a rejection since they're usually more than happy to say "you got accepted!" Probably didn't want to straight up say "you got rejected!" What a sad day 🙁

 

[peanutb123]

This site can really crush you man. The people getting accepted are some of the top applicants around. And you can tell by there multiple acceptances. The majority of applicants get into 1 or 2 schools, and this does not have to be on December 1st. I know it's rough seeing all these people get accepted, but it's long from over.

<< listen to this guy he is a genius... thank you for your help bro.

 

[toothbrushpjs]

I got a rejection from Indiana (I also thought it was a acceptance) Nothing on Aadsas from Western (seems like that was their acceptance) nothing from USC, and I'm still waiting on NYU. So I guess there is some hope, but I got such good feedback from the other 3 and nothing so it's kind of hard to think NYU would be any different. My heart goes out to those without any news. And people with multiple offers, tell schools no already so they can give more offers!

 

[MrBeans]

This site can really crush you man. The people getting accepted are some of the top applicants around. And you can tell by there multiple acceptances. The majority of applicants get into 1 or 2 schools, and this does not have to be on December 1st. I know it's rough seeing all these people get accepted, but it's long from over.

YES!

It's still TOO early to lose hope!

Best of luck to you 😉

 

[d3nt15t]

I also had 4 pre dec interviews, got rejected from 2 even though I thought I did well In those. I too felt crushed, but just recently got accepted by Pitt. Just remember that it only takes one school to recognize your talents, and getting rejected by a school shouldn't discourage you from pursuing your goal of becoming a dentist. Also, don't take a rejection personally. Best of luck to you!

 

[MrHappyTooth]

I interviewed at 5 schools pre-Dec and haven't heard anything from anyone yet. 🙁 I guess we just have to hang in there and hope something comes up. Will someone please tell everyone to quit texting me asking what school I am going to?

 

[chanbam]

Had 4 pre dec interviews too. Got waitlisted at two and haven't heard anything from the other two.

Ughhh.. Total bummer.

 

[hsk]

I couldn't help but thinking about what an emotional wreck I was last year at this time.. Two pre-December 1st interviews from my two in state schools. One resulted in a waitlist, the other a rejection. I ended up going on two out of state interviews within the following month and a half.. and received acceptances from both in mid-January. So, I guess my point is that things will work themselves out. 🙂 Hang in there guys!!

 

[dctim211]

I have an interview there in 2 weeks. Hopefully it goes well. I am still waiting from NYU snail mail, but I have really lost hope. USC was my top choice and I was in the first batch of interviews. I would love to take an acceptance from one of the people on SDN with 5 acceptances.

Just as some others have said, USC does their acceptances in smaller "batches" than many other schools and they made it a point to mention this at their interview. Don't be discouraged, the fact that you had 4 pre-dec interviews is indicative of you being a competitive applicant so just stay positive and continue to prep for any interviews that you have planned/will get in the future.

 

[John Durian]

I couldn't help but thinking about what an emotional wreck I was last year at this time.. Two pre-December 1st interviews from my two in state schools. One resulted in a waitlist, the other a rejection. I ended up going on two out of state interviews within the following month and a half.. and received acceptances from both in mid-January. So, I guess my point is that things will work themselves out. 🙂 Hang in there guys!!

This made my day 👍

So the two out of state interviews... were they granted Pre or Post Dec 1st? Did you get the interview invite in October or November and the earliest interview you could get was January OR did the invites come in Mid/Late December for Mid January?? Thanks!

 

[DudeDDS]

YES!

It's still TOO early to lose hope!

Best of luck to you 😉

Agreed! WAY TOO EARLY to lose hope. My one of my best friends in dental school didn't get accepted until the week before classes started. Most people were admitted in the Spring.

It's still not too late even if you haven't had a pre-dec interview.
Basically, you could still get admitted anytime from now until August. TRue story, man.

 

[NguyenDDS]

Preparing myself for the worse next week... but this thread gives hope and reminds us that Dec. 1 is just day 1 🙂

 

[BoxerRumble]

That's true, but it's still disheartening when you read people with 4 interviews and felt they did well and don't get in.

For me personally, it's December 1st or bust. As in, I was in the first batch, and I know every school has already reviewed my application. If they didn't give me an interview now, I don't have a good feeling about getting a spring interview.

 

[FROGGBUSTER]

let us prepare our anguses for december 1

 

[little Buddy]

Preparing myself for the worse next week... but this thread gives hope and reminds us that Dec. 1 is just day 1 🙂

Same here. I'll be grateful for a delayed acceptance as well. What's another month...

 

[NOLAdentist2016]

Well this post sure isn't a good way to keep my spirits up. I'm a nervous wreck as it is!

 

[toothexplore]

Well this post sure isn't a good way to keep my spirits up. I'm a nervous wreck as it is!

ya this def is not helping me lol

 

[NguyenDDS]

Lol.. sorry all, I bumped this thread to give hope to everyone on Dec. 1.. not to make us feel down 🙁

 

[dantemac]

That's true, but it's still disheartening when you read people with 4 interviews and felt they did well and don't get in.

For me personally, it's December 1st or bust. As in, I was in the first batch, and I know every school has already reviewed my application. If they didn't give me an interview now, I don't have a good feeling about getting a spring interview.

I agree, this is very disheartening!!

 

[jeffity]

This is going to cause me to eat way more than I should tomorrow. It's the official brace-for-impact thread.

 

[NguyenDDS]

If you look at the SDN profiles posts of some of those who did not receive acceptances on Dec. 1, they eventually received acceptances later. I read one where he was accepted at NYU on Dec. 4... just 3 days after Dec. 1 🙂 So, I'm hoping this information will help people keep their head up for those who don't receive anything on Dec. 1... you may hear some great news just a few days later. 🙂

 

[Jackson-Ave-Dental]

If you look at the SDN profiles posts of some of those who did not receive acceptances on Dec. 1, they eventually received acceptances later. I read one where he was accepted at NYU on Dec. 4... just 3 days after Dec. 1 🙂 So, I'm hoping this information will help people keep their head up for those who don't receive anything on Dec. 1... you may hear some great news just a few days later. 🙂

It'll help move it along as long as those with multiple acceptances don't hold more than 2 schools to make a decision.

What the hell man! The last week is rounding the corner. FREAK OUT.

 

[MrAvicii]

That's true, but it's still disheartening when you read people with 4 interviews and felt they did well and don't get in.

For me personally, it's December 1st or bust. As in, I was in the first batch, and I know every school has already reviewed my application. If they didn't give me an interview now, I don't have a good feeling about getting a spring interview.

it is unlikely to get rejected, esp after 4 interviews. Most schools have acceptance rates at or above 60%, therefore to interview at 4 schools with a 60% chance per school, will yield a 97% chance to acceptance to at least 1 school. I think if you don't get accepted to 1 out of 4 schools, you are def doing something wrong and maybe you need to learn how to interview better. (even if you interview at 4 schools with a 40% rate of acceptance, you still yield a 87% chance of at least 1 acceptance.)

so dont worry baker, the % are on your side.

 

[Jackson-Ave-Dental]

it is unlikely to get rejected, esp after 4 interviews. Most schools have acceptance rates at or above 60%, therefore to interview at 4 schools with a 60% chance per school, will yield a 97% chance to acceptance to at least 1 school. I think if you don't get accepted to 1 out of 4 schools, you are def doing something wrong and maybe you need to learn how to interview better. (even if you interview at 4 schools with a 40% rate of acceptance, you still yield a 87% chance of at least 1 acceptance.)

so dont worry baker, the % are on your side.

If we all assume that we are part of the 60% then who is part of the 40%?

 

[toothexplore]

If we all assume that we are part of the 60% then who is part of the 40%?

my thoughts exactly

 

[NOLAdentist2016]

Getting accepted/rejected from one schools has no bearing on your chances for acceptance/rejection at the other schools you interviewed at. If you flip a coin and it lands on heads, there is still a 50/50 chance on the next flip for it to be heads or tails. Just sayin...

 

[NguyenDDS]

Getting accepted/rejected from one schools has no bearing on your chances for acceptance/rejection at the other schools you interviewed at. If you flip a coin and it lands on heads, there is still a 50/50 chance on the next flip for it to be heads or tails. Just sayin...

That's very true 🙂

 

[MrAvicii]

If we all assume that we are part of the 60% then who is part of the 40%?

=1-(0.4*0.4*0.4*0.4)

Copy that into your excel and hit the % button, thats a 97% chance of acceptance at 1 school out of 4. If you know anything about basic stats you realize that having 4 interviews makes the odds significantly on your side. (most schools have a 60% or above post interview acceptance rate.)

The real question is who is the 3%, but statistically it cant be you. Or put it this way 97 times out of a 100, it wont be you. Thats enough hope for me. I know how insurance works and thats why insurance companies make a ton of $$$$$ because they know that odds are in their favor (plz dont mention AIG as some random defunct example because they lost money on other divisions and not the insurance piece of the business.)

 

[NguyenDDS]

=1-(0.4*0.4*0.4*0.4)

Copy that into your excel and hit the % button, thats a 97% chance of acceptance at 1 school out of 4. If you know anything about basic stats you realize that having 4 interviews makes the odds significantly on your side. (most schools have a 60% or above post interview acceptance rate.)

The real question is who is the 3%, but statistically it cant be you. Or put it this way 97 times out of a 100, it wont be you. Thats enough hope for me. I know how insurance works and thats why insurance companies make a ton of $$$$$ because they know that odds are in their favor (plz dont mention AIG as some random defunct example because they lost money on other divisions and not the insurance piece of the business.)

That's very true too 🙂

 

[MrAvicii]

Getting accepted/rejected from one schools has no bearing on your chances for acceptance/rejection at the other schools you interviewed at. If you flip a coin and it lands on heads, there is still a 50/50 chance on the next flip for it to be heads or tails. Just sayin...

agreed. see my formula

=1-(0.4*0.4*0.4*0.4)

it takes into account each and every school as an independent probability.

 

[NguyenDDS]

EDIT: Nvm, Thanks! 🙂

 

[Feralbrute]

agreed. see my formula

=1-(0.4*0.4*0.4*0.4)

it takes into account each and every school as an independent probability.

Not to be "that guy" or anything but wouldn't it have to be 1-(.6*.6*.6*.6) for the probability of getting into one or more schools each with an average 40% acceptance rate and therefore an 87.04% chance of getting in? Which is still really good but not 97%.

Try using an example of four hypothetical schools with an 80% acceptance rate each doing your 1-(.8*.8*.8*.8) and you'll see that it's incorrect and you need to do 1-(.2*.2*.2*.2) in that case.

All statistical calculations aside, an acceptance stems from more than just numbers and I'm sure everyone here will be hearing good news very soon!
👍

 

[Jackson-Ave-Dental]

=1-(0.4*0.4*0.4*0.4)

Copy that into your excel and hit the % button, thats a 97% chance of acceptance at 1 school out of 4. If you know anything about basic stats you realize that having 4 interviews makes the odds significantly on your side. (most schools have a 60% or above post interview acceptance rate.)

The real question is who is the 3%, but statistically it cant be you. Or put it this way 97 times out of a 100, it wont be you. Thats enough hope for me. I know how insurance works and thats why insurance companies make a ton of $$$$$ because they know that odds are in their favor (plz dont mention AIG as some random defunct example because they lost money on other divisions and not the insurance piece of the business.)

All interviewees are considered equal after receiving an interview. Therefore your GPA, DAT, ECs, and interview performance no longer bear any effects on your acceptance. All interviewees are reduced to nothing but a name.


Your assumptions and formula only hold true if this statement is actually correct.

 

[MrAvicii]

Not to be "that guy" or anything but wouldn't it have to be 1-(.6*.6*.6*.6) for the probability of getting into one or more schools each with an average 40% acceptance rate and therefore an 87.04% chance of getting in? Which is still really good but not 97%.

Try using an example of four hypothetical schools with an 80% acceptance rate each doing your 1-(.8*.8*.8*.8) and you'll see that it's incorrect and you need to do 1-(.2*.2*.2*.2) in that case.

All statistical calculations aside, an acceptance stems from more than just numbers and I'm sure everyone here will be hearing good news very soon!
👍

Fetal my method is correct. Let me elaborate, the chance of being rejected from each and every school is .4*.4*.4*.4 which is 3% therefore the difference between 3% and 100% is 97% of an acceptance in at least 1 school. Your method is not correct because its the percetange of being accepted at every single school (plus you wouldnt subtract that from 1, it would just be .6*.6*.6*.6 = 13%) This makes sense if you think about it. You cant have a 88% chance of being accepted at all 4 schools.

So the correct way is 0.4, which is 97% of acceptance at 1 school out of 4. Hope this helps.

 

[MrAvicii]

All interviewees are considered equal after receiving an interview. Therefore your GPA, DAT, ECs, and interview performance no longer bear any effects on your acceptance. All interviewees are reduced to nothing but a name.


Your assumptions and formula only hold true if this statement is actually correct.

my assumptions are based on ADEA statistics. Its pure math my friend, if you dont believe me. Then go fight the stats and calc guys lol I'm not using any magic or wizard tricks.

Most schools (not all) have a 60% acceptance rate post interview. Meaning out of 100 people that were interviewed at school X, 60 were accepted post interview. I am using that 60 as the number because the 100 no longer matters. Case Western has a 88% post interview acceptance rate. Why? Because they only interview 10% of their total applicant pool. They simply screen their applicants more rigorously and then interview the students they are most interested in.

 

[Jackson-Ave-Dental]

my assumptions are based on ADEA statistics. Its pure math my friend, if you dont believe me. Then go fight the stats and calc guys lol I'm not using any magic or wizard tricks.

Most schools (not all) have a 60% acceptance rate post interview. Meaning out of 100 people that were interviewed at school X, 60 were accepted post interview. I am using that 60 as the number because the 100 no longer matters. Case Western has a 88% post interview acceptance rate. Why? Because they only interview 10% of their total applicant pool. They simply screen their applicants more rigorously and then interview the students they are most interested in.

Your formula is not wrong per say... Its just oversimplifying everything lol.

Basically your formula is no different than taking all of the people who've received an interview. Write their name on a piece of paper and throw it into a bag. Then the ADCOMs just pick X number of papers out of the bag and grant these lucky persons an acceptance.

 

[Feralbrute]

Fetal my method is correct. Let me elaborate, the chance of being rejected from each and every school is .4*.4*.4*.4 which is 3% therefore the difference between 3% and 100% is 97% of an acceptance in at least 1 school. Your method is not correct because its the percetange of being accepted at every single school (plus you wouldnt subtract that from 1, it would just be .6*.6*.6*.6 = 13%) This makes sense if you think about it. You cant have a 88% chance of being accepted at all 4 schools.

So the correct way is 0.4, which is 97% of acceptance at 1 school out of 4. Hope this helps.

The 13% would actually be the chance of being rejected by all four schools that have a 40% acceptance rate and the chance of getting into all four would be (.4^4)=2.56%. As I state in my original post, the 1-(.6^4) is the probability of getting accepted into ONE OR MORE schools or in other words, at least one school.. Diagram it out as a two-probability factor tree (success/failure being the branches) and then add up all of the branches with one or more successes (acceptances) and you'll get the 87.04%. Or if you want to save time you would simply subtract out the one branch that yields zero successes which in this case is 1-(.6^4) and you get the same thing since you are simply subtracting the chance of complete failure from the total probability of 1 which gives you the probability of ONE OR MORE acceptances.

 

[MrAvicii]

The 13% would actually be the chance of being rejected by all four schools that have a 40% acceptance rate and the chance of getting into all four would be (.4^4)=2.56%. As I state in my original post, the 1-(.6^4) is the probability of getting accepted into ONE OR MORE schools or in other words, at least one school.. Diagram it out as a two-probability factor tree (success/failure being the branches) and then add up all of the branches with one or more successes (acceptances) and you'll get the 87.04%. Or if you want to save time you would simply subtract out the one branch that yields zero successes which in this case is 1-(.6^4) and you get the same thing since you are simply subtracting the chance of complete failure from the total probability of 1 which gives you the probability of ONE OR MORE acceptances.

You are flipping the numbers. 40% is the chance of being rejected not accepted. Reread my post.

 

[MrAvicii]

Your formula is not wrong per say... Its just oversimplifying everything lol.

Basically your formula is no different than taking all of the people who've received an interview. Write their name on a piece of paper and throw it into a bag. Then the ADCOMs just pick X number of papers out of the bag and grant these lucky persons an acceptance.

Of course its simple. its math. it doesnt need to be complex. I understand that when you have 1 interview you are really scared and the numbers dont seem to matter. But if you have 4 interviews then you are going to get into at least 1 school. Theres not much thought I need to put into that lol again pure math. The only bad part is that you can be part of that 3% club and get 0 acceptances. But statistically speaking that wont happen.

I like to use the Law of Parsimony thats the easiest way for me to look at situations like this one. I dont want to over complicate it with complex methodology.

 

[Feralbrute]

You are flipping the numbers. 40% is the chance of being rejected not accepted. Reread my post.

Well hurray for arguing over nothing then. Lol either way I'd feel pretty well off with either an 87 or 97 percent chance, let's see you try and get those odds in Vegas! Too bad I only applied/interviewed at three schools... Although I've heard Baylor has a pretty high interview/acceptance ratio?