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Well... you realize this is the surgery forum right?
Uh, yes?
how does the validity of what i said hinge on that in any way?
Well... you realize this is the surgery forum right?
Uh, yes?
how does the validity of what i said hinge on that in any way?
NF has been the worst experience of internship so far. That said, a couple of two week blocks and it's over with.
Pretty much all my coresidents say their 30 hours suck more. Still stuck w/ cross coverage, and approx 0 times have any of the residents on their 30 hour felt okay the following morning. It's extremely rare that things are calm enough for sleep. And as if randomly staying up all night repeatedly throughout the year is any better than a couple of two week stints of being nocturnal. Post-call ****ing sucks too, it's just straight to bed.
30 hours only seems like it would make sense for surgical residencies.
You mean like the on-call attending surgeon operating at 2am after a full day (and likely working the following day as well) on an uninsured patient that they know isn't going to pay them anything for the procedure?I cant speak for medicine, but for surgery, the NF system is definitely superior.
I always felt well rested on NF whereas on 24, it is just destructive to health as you stagger deliriously towards the end of 30hours of intense physical activity etc.
In fact, why would 24 not be better suited on medicine residencies when the night is calmer, with less sickly admissions (unless you are covering ICU), and less patient volume.
Both in terms of patient care and resident health and wellness.
Its disappointing to see the ACGME succumbing to political pressures and surprising that we are in a field where labor laws are not adhered to. I doubt there are few, if any, other workplace that would allow their human beings to work 30 hours, not be paid OT, while making life and death decisions, thinking critically, and performing intricate procedural skills.
I cant speak for medicine, but for surgery, the NF system is definitely superior.
I always felt well rested on NF whereas on 24, it is just destructive to health as you stagger deliriously towards the end of 30hours of intense physical activity etc.
In fact, why would 24 not be better suited on medicine residencies when the night is calmer, with less sickly admissions (unless you are covering ICU), and less patient volume.
Both in terms of patient care and resident health and wellness.
Its disappointing to see the ACGME succumbing to political pressures and surprising that we are in a field where labor laws are not adhered to. I doubt there are few, if any, other workplace that would allow their human beings to work 30 hours, not be paid OT, while making life and death decisions, thinking critically, and performing intricate procedural skills.
I cant speak for medicine, but for surgery, the NF system is definitely superior.
I always felt well rested on NF whereas on 24, it is just destructive to health as you stagger deliriously towards the end of 30hours of intense physical activity etc.
In fact, why would 24 not be better suited on medicine residencies when the night is calmer, with less sickly admissions (unless you are covering ICU), and less patient volume.
Both in terms of patient care and resident health and wellness.
Its disappointing to see the ACGME succumbing to political pressures and surprising that we are in a field where labor laws are not adhered to. I doubt there are few, if any, other workplace that would allow their human beings to work 30 hours, not be paid OT, while making life and death decisions, thinking critically, and performing intricate procedural skills.