Nocturnist out of residency?

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I haven't posted in here since my med school days but was wondering what everyone's opinion was of starting as a nocturnist straight out of residency. I'm in my final year of a large community hospital IM program where we are trained well in hospital medicine. There is a specific rotation where for a few months we are doing all the admissions straight from the ER (up to 30+ some nights), determining input vs ops, putting in consults for specialists, overseeing all the orders and notes for junior residents, making sure all quality measures (PQRS/HCAPS/ect) are met, and running all codes/rapids. I feel prepared to do nocturnist and it wouldn't effect my family life as my wife is a night shift RN but some of my colleagues, as well as older threads here i've been reading on, advise against nocturnist work initially. I was wondering what reservations experienced hosptialists/nocturnist have against starting as a nocturnist.

The position i'm debating on accepting is also a large community hospital with a closed ICU (intensivist in house at all times), no procedures or codes, rapids only on the groups patients. 7pm - 7 am shift, 182 shifts a year. There are 2 other nocturnists on at night who take turns holding the cross-coverage pager. They say 8-12 admits a night per physician with 12 being the "cap". Some of the hospitalists i've spoken to say the 10-12 admit/physician mark is only reached maybe 25% of the time. Cross-coverage worries me as it can get up to 150 patients for the group (usually 80-120) but since it's a 12 hr shift, each nocturnist only has to hold onto the pager for 4 hrs. Compensation of 260K a year not including bonuses. They did have two nocturnists recently leave but one was for family reasons (hard to be a nocturnist with a family and kids) and the other nocturnist was looking more for a job you can nap 3-4hrs each shift. The day shift of the group has very low turn over and high physician satisfaction from what I could gather. I've done other interviews but this is the first contract offer I've received and i'm wondering if I should just sign...

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Large city in Texas, with bonuses ~280-300 not unreasonable. Some of the hospitalists there say for most of the year 6-8 admits per doc
 
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Well, if nocturnist is something that you're considering and feel that you can handle it, then straight out of residency is the time to do it since you're still young and don't have kids. The 182 shift number seems a smidge higher than I would be expecting to be considered a FTE nocturnist. We have some people in our group who have been doing the nocturnist thing for several years now but it sure ages you quickly. I would at least wait to see if there are any offers though before signing
 
I haven't posted in here since my med school days but was wondering what everyone's opinion was of starting as a nocturnist straight out of residency. I'm in my final year of a large community hospital IM program where we are trained well in hospital medicine. There is a specific rotation where for a few months we are doing all the admissions straight from the ER (up to 30+ some nights), determining input vs ops, putting in consults for specialists, overseeing all the orders and notes for junior residents, making sure all quality measures (PQRS/HCAPS/ect) are met, and running all codes/rapids. I feel prepared to do nocturnist and it wouldn't effect my family life as my wife is a night shift RN but some of my colleagues, as well as older threads here i've been reading on, advise against nocturnist work initially. I was wondering what reservations experienced hosptialists/nocturnist have against starting as a nocturnist.

The position i'm debating on accepting is also a large community hospital with a closed ICU (intensivist in house at all times), no procedures or codes, rapids only on the groups patients. 7pm - 7 am shift, 182 shifts a year. There are 2 other nocturnists on at night who take turns holding the cross-coverage pager. They say 8-12 admits a night per physician with 12 being the "cap". Some of the hospitalists i've spoken to say the 10-12 admit/physician mark is only reached maybe 25% of the time. Cross-coverage worries me as it can get up to 150 patients for the group (usually 80-120) but since it's a 12 hr shift, each nocturnist only has to hold onto the pager for 4 hrs. Compensation of 260K a year not including bonuses. They did have two nocturnists recently leave but one was for family reasons (hard to be a nocturnist with a family and kids) and the other nocturnist was looking more for a job you can nap 3-4hrs each shift. The day shift of the group has very low turn over and high physician satisfaction from what I could gather. I've done other interviews but this is the first contract offer I've received and i'm wondering if I should just sign...
182x12 hr nocturnist shifts in Texas? You're getting ripped off with those salary numbers. You should be working either 30% less shifts or making 30% more money.

I have plenty of friends who started off as a nocturnist this year (our first year out of residency) and all seem to be doing well. I went straight into fellowship and do nighttime admitting shifts as a moonlighter just fine. I wouldn't worry about not being able to handle it if you went to a clinically strong residency.
 
That salary is a rip off for most of the south. You should be getting at least 280 base and your bonus should be structured for RVUs on top of that, not just meeting hcap and stuff like that.
 
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