Non-Board Heavy Osteopathic General Surgery Programs

[coninuteremedia]

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Hi Folks,

I'm attempting to figure out which programs to rotate at for 4th year Sub-Is. I got a 524 on comlex level 1 and a 221 on usmle step 1 (not that this part matters for DO programs). I've been reading about programs which are interested in seeing high board scores. I'd like to avoid these programs as my comlex level 1 score isn't that stellar. Would anyone kindly provide any input? I've done a search, but most of the former threads are pretty dated and some new information would be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

 

[Dissected]

Programs are going to start looking at USMLE scores more with the ACGME merger coming down the pipeline. Your USMLE score is good, try and take step II soon and score a little higher on it.

Apply where you want to go, MD and DO. Take rotations that are offered and show off. Your score is high enough to be considered seriously at any program if you do a good job and have a well rounded application

Good luck!

 

[XCdude]

Programs are going to start looking at USMLE scores more with the ACGME merger coming down the pipeline. Your USMLE score is good, try and take step II soon and score a little higher on it.

Apply where you want to go, MD and DO. Take rotations that are offered and show off. Your score is high enough to be considered seriously at any program if you do a good job and have a well rounded application

Good luck!

As a current surgical resident who is an osteopath in a large midtier university program I can tell you that you face an uphill battle.

The average usmle scores for our incoming class is >235

Program leadership has made a decision to no longer accept FMGs and DOs. Our best residents have been DOs and a section chief is a DO as well. Right or wrong this is our program policy and I suspect with the increasing competitiveness of the match process this will eventually become the norm.

Good luck

 

[Dissected]

As a current surgical resident who is an osteopath in a large midtier university program I can tell you that you face an uphill battle.

The average usmle scores for our incoming class is >235

Program leadership has made a decision to no longer accept FMGs and DOs. Our best residents have been DOs and a section chief is a DO as well. Right or wrong this is our program policy and I suspect with the increasing competitiveness of the match process this will eventually become the norm.

Good luck

Wow that is very unfortunate and closed minded. Sad to see that some programs are headed this way.

I guess scores have gone up quite a bit since I applied! Average for general surgery was closer to 220 my year.

 

[stevesteve123]

The average usmle scores for our incoming class is >235

only? thats not much higher than primary care, thats pretty much the exam average

 

[Mad Jack]

only? thats not much higher than primary care, thats pretty much the exam average

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

The average successful general surgery both US MD and independent applicant had a 232 in 2014 (charting outcomes 2015 doesn't exist, we'll probably have to wait some time for CO '16). Family medicine, in comparison, had an average of 218 for US MDs and 212 for independent applicants. The average Step 1 score was a 229, with a standard deviation of 20, which makes 235 (the lower bound of the applicants they are accepting) the 60.8th percentile. Family medicine, for comparison, is at the 29.1st percentile, on average, for US MD students and the 19.8th percentile for independent applicants. That's a 31.7 percentile difference in board scores when comparing his program to FM, which is HUGE.

 

[coninuteremedia]

Thanks for all the replies peeps!