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Hi all!!

Any non-trads taking the August MCAT (for the first time or repeat) and applying this summer for Fall 06 matriculation?? Thought I'd start a thread so we can get some support since our apps will be complete a little later...

And everyone who feels inclined to tell us what a bad sitution that puts us in, I'd (we'd) appreciate it if you could keep it to yourself since thats not the kind of post I was hoping to start. (not to be rude, we've just heard it already on this forum before).
 
Cornflake and Drjoy. I'm behind on my schedule too. So far I've only read through the bio and taken notes, now I'm onto my memorization phase of it. I haven't even touched Org, Chem, physics or verbal and essays. I've had to revise my study schedule several times.
My problem is that I really don't know how to study effectively.
Anyone got any tips?
 
jaylily said:
Cornflake and Drjoy. I'm behind on my schedule too. So far I've only read through the bio and taken notes, now I'm onto my memorization phase of it. I haven't even touched Org, Chem, physics or verbal and essays. I've had to revise my study schedule several times.
My problem is that I really don't know how to study effectively.
Anyone got any tips?

First I am glad that I am not by myself in this. First I would suggest reading the first thread under MCAT discussions (30+ MCAT study habits) I am not sure what study materials you are using but I prefer examkrackers and they have a home study schedule http://home.comcast.net/~greet/Examkrackers_Home_Study_Schedule.htm
I used this as a guide to make my study schedule. I am a little off but the way their schedule works there is flexibility. Hope this helps 😀
 
the only place I've ever heard of examkrackers is here. I'm not sure they're even available in Canada. I'm using the Kaplan comprehensive review book coupled with text books from each subject.
Thanks for the link, I'll definitely check that out, and the study habit thread. 🙂
 
I'd like to make a suggestion to all of you non-trads who are worried that taking the August test will put you at a disadvantage when applying to medical school: wait. Wait not to take the test, but rather to apply. So, if you take the test in August 2005, plan to matriculate not in fall 2006, but rather in fall 2007.

I realize that many of you may have a reflexive response to not want to consider such an idea, and some of you may also have financial or other life issues that make such a plan unsuitable for you. But for those of you who simply eschew the idea because you feel that you are already "too old" and too far behind the traditional students with whom you'll be competing, please consider that you are being penny-wise and pound-foolish by refusing to wait for one more year.

Here are my arguments as to why it may be to your advantage to wait one more year. One, being a late applicant does put you at a disadvantage, regardless of your age, and especially at schools with rolling admissions. But, if you take the MCAT this August to apply for fall 2007, you become one of the earliest test takers, rather than one of the latest. And, worst case scenario, if things don't go well in August, you can re-take next April 2006 with no prejudice against you, because you won't be a late test-taker then. You'll merely be taking the test on time. Two, in the whole scheme of things, one extra year will not make a major difference in your ability to become a physician, nor in the length or quality of your working life. You are going to be five, ten, 15 years, or more older than the traditional students anyway; why worry about one extra year now? Three, an extra year gives you the time you may need to get your life and application in order so that you can realistically apply to medical school. Besides your MCAT score, do you also need to shore up a low undergrad GPA? Do some more shadowing or volunteering? Pay off your credit card debt so that you can get a loan for school? The extra year can help immensely here. Finally, applying to medical school is a long, arduous, and expensive undertaking. Doesn't it make the most sense to put your maximum effort into it, and give it your best shot the first time, so that you won't have to undergo the entire process again the following year?

I took the MCAT in August 2004, and I chose to wait to apply exactly as I've suggested. I can tell you that the worst thing about the whole plan has been having to cool my heels for eight months after getting my scores back last October. :laugh:
 
jaylily said:
the only place I've ever heard of examkrackers is here. I'm not sure they're even available in Canada. I'm using the Kaplan comprehensive review book coupled with text books from each subject.
Thanks for the link, I'll definitely check that out, and the study habit thread. 🙂

Hi there JayLily! You can call the ExamKrackers toll free number to order their books or check out eBay. The EK toll free is 1-800-KRACK-EM.

I'm using all the EK books and will be ordering the Audio Osmosis soon. I have partnered those books with my PR books. The PR books are a nice accompaniment b/c the EK books are VERY focused on the topical material and PR provides me with some more conceptual background reading for those subjects that I need more intensive review (i.e. physics, ochem, gchem)...

I also have the EK study schedule and modified it for a 4-month schedule rather than 10 weeks. My approach maybe really time consuming and repetitive but it helps me retain the information:

For each subject section, I read the corresponding PR chapter first and then the EK chapter once. After that, I read each again and outline the main points. For this second reading, I also do the practice problems. After the second reading, then I do the 101 EK series corresponding question (every 3rd problem), do the PR MCAT-style passages for that section, and an EK mini-MCAT (30 minutes).

Based on how I do on the passages, I then review the concepts again and do more problems if necessary. This is tedious and slow, which is partly why I'm behind on my own schedule, but once I get those passages right then I move on to the next area.

I hope that this helps!!
 
doctorjoy said:
First I am glad that I am not by myself in this. First I would suggest reading the first thread under MCAT discussions (30+ MCAT study habits) I am not sure what study materials you are using but I prefer examkrackers and they have a home study schedule http://home.comcast.net/~greet/Examkrackers_Home_Study_Schedule.htm
I used this as a guide to make my study schedule. I am a little off but the way their schedule works there is flexibility. Hope this helps 😀

Hi DrJoy!!! THANKS so much for your words of encouragement - it has just been one of those crazy weeks.... I too am using the EK books along with PR books and modified the schedule to fit my needs... (see my reply to JayLily)

I'm going to just keep going and modify my study schedule as necessary; I plan to only work half-days this Friday and next Monday - I've been putting in 12-hour days at work so I'm going to take off early and make up for my study time... Hopefully, by next Tuesday I'll be more caught up with my own schedule!!
 
Hey Q! Thanks for your input to our Non-Trads Community.... It's funny that you posted this b/c I just saw my academic advisor from undergrad who was suggesting the same thing... She is one of my most treasured mentors and her advice really hit home; she thinks that taking the MCAT in August has to be my number one priority and she also mentioned the same points you have made...

It is definitely food for thought for all of us; for me, I am still committed to keeping on with the August MCAT but I think that applying next summer is going to be the best situation for me... and i can definitely use the year to save more money and pay off more debt; i was thinking of going back to private tutoring to make extra money for my AMCAS costs... all a part of my creative fundraising options! :idea:

and i also feel that this helps me just keep focused on the MCAT score between now and august... :clap:



QofQuimica said:
I'd like to make a suggestion to all of you non-trads who are worried that taking the August test will put you at a disadvantage when applying to medical school: wait. Wait not to take the test, but rather to apply. So, if you take the test in August 2005, plan to matriculate not in fall 2006, but rather in fall 2007.

I realize that many of you may have a reflexive response to not want to consider such an idea, and some of you may also have financial or other life issues that make such a plan unsuitable for you. But for those of you who simply eschew the idea because you feel that you are already "too old" and too far behind the traditional students with whom you'll be competing, please consider that you are being penny-wise and pound-foolish by refusing to wait for one more year.

Here are my arguments as to why it may be to your advantage to wait one more year. One, being a late applicant does put you at a disadvantage, regardless of your age, and especially at schools with rolling admissions. But, if you take the MCAT this August to apply for fall 2007, you become one of the earliest test takers, rather than one of the latest. And, worst case scenario, if things don't go well in August, you can re-take next April 2006 with no prejudice against you, because you won't be a late test-taker then. You'll merely be taking the test on time. Two, in the whole scheme of things, one extra year will not make a major difference in your ability to become a physician, nor in the length or quality of your working life. You are going to be five, ten, 15 years, or more older than the traditional students anyway; why worry about one extra year now? Three, an extra year gives you the time you may need to get your life and application in order so that you can realistically apply to medical school. Besides your MCAT score, do you also need to shore up a low undergrad GPA? Do some more shadowing or volunteering? Pay off your credit card debt so that you can get a loan for school? The extra year can help immensely here. Finally, applying to medical school is a long, arduous, and expensive undertaking. Doesn't it make the most sense to put your maximum effort into it, and give it your best shot the first time, so that you won't have to undergo the entire process again the following year?

I took the MCAT in August 2004, and I chose to wait to apply exactly as I've suggested. I can tell you that the worst thing about the whole plan has been having to cool my heels for eight months after getting my scores back last October. :laugh:
 
I hope it's OK for me to reply.

August 2004 MCATer...

Submited AMCAS late June.

7 interviews....4 acceptances...3 waitlists.

PLEASE SUBMIT EARLY regardless of whether you are taking the
August MCAT or not!

😍
 
LoveDoc said:
I hope it's OK for me to reply.

August 2004 MCATer...

Submited AMCAS late June.

7 interviews....4 acceptances...3 waitlists.

PLEASE SUBMIT EARLY regardless of whether you are taking the
August MCAT or not!

😍

CONGRATULATIONS! This just shows that there are many paths to the same goal.... In the end, it is all a matter of what is best for each individual 🙂
 
Thanks for the heads up, will definately do that!
Honestly, I dont care when I get in, I just want to get in.

Good Luck to all
semper FI
 
Things are looking up. Way up. I have actually been doing my study plan and focusing on what I need to focus on. The only bad thing I have not found time to take a full length practice exam 😡 Hopefully this sunday, will be the day.

I really like this thread. Some posts are really encouraging. So lets keep up the good work. Slay the MCAT beast :meanie:
 
doctorjoy said:
Things are looking up. Way up. I have actually been doing my study plan and focusing on what I need to focus on. The only bad thing I have not found time to take a full length practice exam 😡 Hopefully this sunday, will be the day.

I really like this thread. Some posts are really encouraging. So lets keep up the good work. Slay the MCAT beast :meanie:

HOORAY!! Glad to hear it. Things are looking up this week for me - I got the grant out in time and this other annual report went out on Monday...

I am sticking to my schedule - and I actually took the EK 30 min Verbal test!

A quick question to those also using EK - I scored my 30 min in-class test and noticed that their scale is based on exams with 23 questions but the first test only had 21 questions... how can i score my test? 😕

THANKS! Good luck to everyone.... 😉
 
doctorjoy said:
Where did everyone go? How are the study plans going? 🙂


well after the intial letdown of not taking it in april, im close to finishing all the first chapters this week. def by memorial day i will be caught up if i double up...it looks like i wont be done reviewing material untill june, which stinks. with work and volunteering its been kinda hard. 🙁
 
Just wanted to check what you guys think. I will be taking Orgo 2 this summer then the august MCAT, so I will get my grade early august.
Should I submit the AMCAS without the grade, or what could be the best thing to do? Thnks for your feedback. 🙂
 
midu said:
Just wanted to check what you guys think. I will be taking Orgo 2 this summer then the august MCAT, so I will get my grade early august.
Should I submit the AMCAS without the grade, or what could be the best thing to do? Thnks for your feedback. 🙂


Remember if you decide to go that route, then you'll have to allow time to request transcripts from your current school and have the additional time to wait for AMCAS to receive those as well. Looks like this:

1. Requesting transcripts from your university & their processing time.
2. AMCAS receives and processes Transcripts, (note: AMCAS will hold a submitted application until all transcripts are received.)
3. Then the 4-6 wks for processing of the general application once ALL transcripts arrive and the App's been submitted.

Check out the FAQs on the AMCAS site for processing rules.

For Orgo II, I think I would take the hit and wait since its a general requirement for Med school. Think you'd WANT to have that on you record. It's not like its an upper level elective, and can only help your GPA a little. I'm in the same boat for my summer class too, just that its an upper level elective.

Good Luck
 
just spotted this thread and i wanted to add some encouragement.. i took the august 2004 mcat as a non-trad and got into med school for the 2005 entering class and remember how i felt during the whole process
i took some prereqs and then slogged my ass off during june, july, august for the mcat 🙂 just put your minds to it and you can do it! wish you all the best of luck
 
2bkiddoc said:
Hi all!!

Any non-trads taking the August MCAT (for the first time or repeat) and applying this summer for Fall 06 matriculation?? Thought I'd start a thread so we can get some support since our apps will be complete a little later...

And everyone who feels inclined to tell us what a bad sitution that puts us in, I'd (we'd) appreciate it if you could keep it to yourself since thats not the kind of post I was hoping to start. (not to be rude, we've just heard it already on this forum before).


Don't worry. Several friends took the August MCAT in 2004 and applied with those scores. Many got waitlisted at first, but they got off the waitlist and are going to med school in the fall.

The one thing I would strongly advise is to get the rest of your application in early as possible. Most med schools will look at the rest of your application and then put you on hold til they get your scores. However, if your scores are good, and the rest of your application is solid, you'll be ok. Anyhow, even if you are waitlisted, there's still hope to get in that year. Good luck. Also, if you need advice, we've started posting in QofQ's post about giving future test takers tips.
 
midu said:
Just wanted to check what you guys think. I will be taking Orgo 2 this summer then the august MCAT, so I will get my grade early august.
Should I submit the AMCAS without the grade, or what could be the best thing to do? Thnks for your feedback. 🙂


That will be extremely extremely though and enduring. however, if you are focused very very well, then you may be able to do it.

A friend of mine did that a couple years ago. He took both the lectures for orgo and studied for the MCAT. He got a 31 on his MCAT and A's in both Organic Chemistry classes. So it is possible if you keep your head straight. however, it is very very tough and enduring, so do it only if you really feel you'll be able to handle the load.
 
gujuDoc said:
That will be extremely extremely though and enduring. however, if you are focused very very well, then you may be able to do it.

A friend of mine did that a couple years ago. He took both the lectures for orgo and studied for the MCAT. He got a 31 on his MCAT and A's in both Organic Chemistry classes. So it is possible if you keep your head straight. however, it is very very tough and enduring, so do it only if you really feel you'll be able to handle the load.

right on...another option is to learn the orgo2 stuff on your own for the mcat from the test prep books, which is what i did [i took princeton for mcat prep and i would go in for organic office hours and get extra help on stuff i didn't understand].. i actually ended up taking orgo2 after i took the mcat
this could be a good option if you have a good base in organic1 and don't mind self study
 
agentorange said:
right on...another option is to learn the orgo2 stuff on your own for the mcat from the test prep books, which is what i did [i took princeton for mcat prep and i would go in for organic office hours and get extra help on stuff i didn't understand].. i actually ended up taking orgo2 after i took the mcat
this could be a good option if you have a good base in organic1 and don't mind self study

I appreciate this feedback, however, my concern is that the med schools will want to see my orgo 2 grade before they accept me, since it is a pre- req.
So I am hoping to study hard for the mcat as I attend this class, with the advantage of having the material fresh so I will not read this part in my MCAT Prep.
So is it okay to submit my application anyway without this 1 grade?
 
hehe..apologize for not answering your question
yah..it is ok to submit your app without showing that grade..
you have the option to list that the course is pending or that it is a course that you will take later
schools basically interview and accept you knowing that you will finish your pre-reqs by the time you matriculate
does that help?
 
cornflake_girl said:
A quick question to those also using EK - I scored my 30 min in-class test and noticed that their scale is based on exams with 23 questions but the first test only had 21 questions... how can i score my test? 😕

Check the next page if it's biology...that happened to me too 🙂
 
agentorange said:
hehe..apologize for not answering your question
yah..it is ok to submit your app without showing that grade..
you have the option to list that the course is pending or that it is a course that you will take later
schools basically interview and accept you knowing that you will finish your pre-reqs by the time you matriculate
does that help?

that helps alot, thanks a bunch!
 
I am not sure if any of you have experienced this but.... For me it has been 9 whole years since I took General Chemistry. 😱 9 years and studying for the MCAT it is starting to get to me. I have not seen moles or rate laws etc.. in forever. Okay I just needed to vent for awhile. :laugh: I guess I need to dust off the old chemistry book....
 
doctorjoy said:
I am not sure if any of you have experienced this but.... For me it has been 9 whole years since I took General Chemistry. 😱 9 years and studying for the MCAT it is starting to get to me. I have not seen moles or rate laws etc.. in forever. Okay I just needed to vent for awhile. :laugh: I guess I need to dust off the old chemistry book....


In the same boat as you for physics, and RELAX! There is still time! Make sure you focus more time on the areas you are weaker in, like G-Chem. Put more emphasis on reviewing and understanding/self-teaching the concepts again between now and end of june (around). Atleast that is what I am doing and hope to be done most of the concepts in physics for me by then.

TPR/Kaplan or EK can help to give ya a better idea of what you need to focus on for G-chem too. As oppose to hitting the text book, but definitly use the text book for more practice or more through explaination.

Good Luck
 
hey all. best of luck on the august mcat! i'm a non-trad who took the august mcat in 2004 and i had been accepted into med schools by January, so it definitely can be done! ignore the nay-sayers.

make sure make sure make sure (i cannot stress it enough) to get your application in super early, and have all your secondaries finished by september. this way, all they're waiting for are your mcat scores. to give you a general idea of timeline, mcat scores came out in mid october, and i started interviewing in early november and had more than one hand's worth of interviews by the new year (have heart! i had a 3.0 undergrad gpa).

because your application will already be delayed, make sure to hit the ground running. you dont' want there to be any 'processing' left to be done on your application when the mcat scores get there. besides, a lot of schools have already made a decision on your application - "okay, if this person gets above a 3x on the august mcat, auto-interview them".

and most importantly, regardless of what people say - in my opinion, its better to apply a litlte later and have stellar scores than to apply "on time" and have mediocre everything. because there's such a high volume of med school applicants, you have to take every opportunity to shine. good luck you guys!
 
lightnk102 said:
hey all. best of luck on the august mcat! i'm a non-trad who took the august mcat in 2004 and i had been accepted into med schools by January, so it definitely can be done! ignore the nay-sayers.

make sure make sure make sure (i cannot stress it enough) to get your application in super early, and have all your secondaries finished by september. this way, all they're waiting for are your mcat scores. to give you a general idea of timeline, mcat scores came out in mid october, and i started interviewing in early november and had more than one hand's worth of interviews by the new year (have heart! i had a 3.0 undergrad gpa).

because your application will already be delayed, make sure to hit the ground running. you dont' want there to be any 'processing' left to be done on your application when the mcat scores get there. besides, a lot of schools have already made a decision on your application - "okay, if this person gets above a 3x on the august mcat, auto-interview them".

and most importantly, regardless of what people say - in my opinion, its better to apply a litlte later and have stellar scores than to apply "on time" and have mediocre everything. because there's such a high volume of med school applicants, you have to take every opportunity to shine. good luck you guys!

Thank you much for the tips 👍 I have the same gpa, a non-trad. mom of 2 and wondering if a 30 is too little to aim for. What did you get...if you don't mind sharing?
 
Ebete said:
Thank you much for the tips 👍 I have the same gpa, a non-trad. mom of 2 and wondering if a 30 is too little to aim for. What did you get...if you don't mind sharing?

I think 30 is probably a low target. Don't forget that 30 is what typical applicants aim for. "Typical" being defined as your average applicant with a 3.5 GPA and a 30 MCAT. If you have a below average GPA, then you need an above average MCAT. You can't change your GPA, but everything else is within your control. The main concern of admissions committees with low GPA is that if you couldn't handle the premed requirements well, then how do they have any assurance that you'll be able to handle med school? Give them a reason to interview you despite the GPA, whether that be a high MCAT, a Peace Corps experience, research publications, great extracurrics, etc. Definitely aim for above a 30. And KNOW YOUR TESTING PATTERNS. If you're a nervous test taker, aim for a little higher than you expect to get, so you have a little leeway in case you drop a few points on test day due to jitters. I tend to be a clutch player (a "game day girl"). I aimed for a 34 and did better than I thought.

edit: because we're non-trads competing with fresh grads, in your application, you have to emphasize what you have to offer that these fresh grads don't. for example, sure we don't have the same high GPA - BUT (example only), I've worked in business consulting for the past few years, which has taught me how to work successfully with diverse personalities (will help as a doctor who has to regularly work with patients and staff), how to conduct myself in high pressure situations in the board room (direct analogy can be made to the OR), how to meet deadlines, and how to handle angry clients (direct analogy can also be made to handling emotional families of patients). take the experience you've had, whether you were a lawyer, a stay at home mom, or a consultant, and spin it into an asset. Show the adcoms that you have something that the other kids don't. always always remember - give them a reason to interview you. Once you have the interview, your foot is in the door, you've gotten over the "numbers" hurdle, and you'll just have to dazzle them with your personality 🙂

So. Don't be intimidated by all those young'uns taking the MCAT with you. You've got tons that they don't have. Mainly - experience and perspective. And there is no Kaplan course that can teach those two items.
 
edit: because we're non-trads competing with fresh grads said:
give them a reason to interview you[/i]. Once you have the interview, your foot is in the door, you've gotten over the "numbers" hurdle, and you'll just have to dazzle them with your personalty 🙂

So. Don't be intimidated by all those young'uns taking the MCAT with you. You've got tons that they don't have. Mainly - experience and perspective. And there is no Kaplan course that can teach those two items.

Such a wonderful post. 👍 That helps my motivation. It is funny to me that I am in competition with the same students that I teach.
 
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